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Teh One Who Knocks
07-09-2012, 10:57 AM
By Gareth Rose - Scotland On Sunday


SENIOR police officers want cruise control to be mandatory in all cars to help drivers stick to speed limits in areas near schools.

The Association of Scottish Police Superintendents (Asps)is also calling for “black boxes” to be fitted in vehicles driven by younger motorists with the data they collect used to calculate insurance premiums.

The recommendations have been made following the devolution of powers over setting speeds limit to the Scottish Parliament. The Asps wants MSPs to also consider legislation to force manufacturers to install more car safety technology.

It wants manufacturers to commit to creating cars with in-built speed restrictors to cut road deaths by forcing drivers to keep below national limits.

Although the number of both adults and children injured on Scotland’s roads declined last year, Asps points out that there were still around 2,000 people killed across the UK in 2011. Asps believes cruise control technology is a way of making sure cars stick to speed limits lower than 70mph in a certain area. It allows drivers to instruct their vehicles to stick to 28mph, for example, in a 30mph zone.

Chief Superintendent David O’Connor, president of Asps, said: “For people like salesmen, if all cars had cruise control, it would be easier to drive within limits.”

He said fitting black boxes in all cars would be an added safety measure. “Some companies already fit black boxes for young drivers to monitor how fast they drive and how sharply they brake,” he said.“Your insurance premiums are then related to the findings in the black box.”

The Scottish Government is already funding a pilot project to fit black boxes to business cars being driven by the under-25 age group.

It is being run by the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (Rospa), which believes it could be widened to cover all young drivers.

Kathleen Braidwood, road safety officer at Rospa, said: “It gives a second-by-second account looking at all aspects of a person’s driving. It records appropriate length of speed, calmness of drive, braking, acceleration, and gives an overall score. It would be really good to see it rolled out more widely. It’s the way forward to encourage better driving, safer driving and more informed 
attitudes.”

However, motoring manufacturers insist they are already working hard to prevent accidents. A spokesman for the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders said: “Enhancing vehicle safety and reducing emissions are key priorities for the industry and investment in safety technology has contributed to a decline of more than 70 per cent in the number of annual deaths on British roads since the 70mph speed limit was introduced in 1965.

“Today, vehicles are safer than ever, developed to meet a range of driving conditions and driver styles.”

The Scottish Government agreed that despite falling road deaths and injuries, more action still needs to be taken to improve road safety.

However, it stopped short of echoing Asps call for action from motoring manufacturers.

But is said that any matters relating to vehicle specification would come down to EU law and would not be for the Scottish Parliament.

Transport minister Keith Brown said: “Despite the fact Scotland recently recorded the lowest road casualty figures since records began, one death on our roads is one too many as far as I am concerned.

“Our co-ordinated approach is based on education, engineering and enforcement, combined with targeted safety campaigns and demanding targets.

“The national debate on safety of young drivers publication highlighted the potential for speed limiting technology and black box data recorders to improve road safety, and we are about to fund an innovative new pilot project to assess the potential road safety benefits of black box technology to young drivers at work.”

Arkady Renko
07-09-2012, 02:54 PM
I'm afraid Germany will have to sever diplomatic and trade relationsin that case.

FBD
07-09-2012, 04:26 PM
The Scottish Government agreed that despite falling road deaths and injuries, more action still needs to be taken to improve road safety.

However, it stopped short of echoing Asps call for action from motoring manufacturers.

But is said that any matters relating to vehicle specification would come down to EU law and would not be for the Scottish Parliament\

Wow, when did the Scots cease thinking they were any sort of sovereign nation? Why is there a "Scotland" now?

deebakes
07-10-2012, 12:09 AM
why don't they just get rid of cars altogether? everyone knows that a scots blood alcohol level is over the limit at all times :shrug:

Hugh_Janus
07-10-2012, 09:51 PM
why don't they just get rid of cars altogether? everyone knows that a scots blood alcohol level is over the limit at all times :shrug:

it's funnt cos it's true :lol:

Hal-9000
07-10-2012, 10:27 PM
I've wondered about this in general....our average limit in cities is 50 kph (about 30 mph) and 100 kph on highways (around 60 mph).

why do we need cars that can go 280 kph?



*cue gearheads for the next 5 responses...*

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2012, 10:29 PM
I've wondered about this in general....our average limit in cities is 50 kph (about 30 mph) and 100 kph on highways (around 60 mph).

why do we need cars that can go 280 kph?



*cue gearheads for the next 5 responses...*

Why not? :-s

Hal-9000
07-10-2012, 10:31 PM
Why?

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2012, 10:32 PM
Because :tup:

Hal-9000
07-10-2012, 10:37 PM
Why?

Teh One Who Knocks
07-10-2012, 10:40 PM
Because :tup:

Hal-9000
07-10-2012, 11:05 PM
WHY?

Muddy
07-11-2012, 12:24 AM
May need to escape from the police...

KevinD
07-11-2012, 01:08 AM
With our fully auto machine guns....lol

FBD
07-11-2012, 11:17 AM
I've wondered about this in general....our average limit in cities is 50 kph (about 30 mph) and 100 kph on highways (around 60 mph).

why do we need cars that can go 280 kph?

*cue gearheads for the next 5 responses...*

Why, despite the zillion advances in technology, do we still have these slowass speed limits, when the new cars can handle them with no problem?

55 is preposterous, so is 65, and 75 is starting to get right. Even my brokeass explorer can do a buck without breaking a sweat. (but I have to slow down for curves :lol: )

shit, I went for a ride in my buddy's bmw the other day and we did 140 when there was some free road. I dont see wtf the problem is. :mrgreen:

Hugh_Janus
07-11-2012, 07:52 PM
Why, despite the zillion advances in technology, do we still have these slowass speed limits, when the new cars can handle them with no problem?

55 is preposterous, so is 65, and 75 is starting to get right. Even my brokeass explorer can do a buck without breaking a sweat. (but I have to slow down for curves :lol: )

shit, I went for a ride in my buddy's bmw the other day and we did 140 when there was some free road. I dont see wtf the problem is. :mrgreen:
you try stopping from 100mph to zero in your explorer.... when your ass has finally let go of your seat, you'll think to yourself "that's really not very safe"

Muddy
07-11-2012, 08:13 PM
you try stopping from 100mph to zero in your explorer.... when your ass has finally let go of your seat, you'll think to yourself "that's really not very safe"

Exactly.. Braking is very very overlooked..

PorkChopSandwiches
07-11-2012, 08:27 PM
you try stopping from 100mph to zero in your explorer.... when your ass has finally let go of your seat, you'll think to yourself "that's really not very safe"

I use a seat belt, keeps me right where Im supposed to be

Muddy
07-11-2012, 08:40 PM
I use a Bungie cord..

redred
07-11-2012, 08:44 PM
the thing is that in the uk we've had a 70 mph speed limit on motorways since 1965 for cars ,which is meant to of come about because someone decided to test an AC cobra up the M1 flat out :lol: since that time pretty much every car has now moved off drum brakes and on to better stopping disc breaks the cars have out grown the speed limit in my opinion and needs to be changed but maybe not like germeny (but that would be fun) on the motorways

Hal-9000
07-11-2012, 09:53 PM
I don't agree with what FBD said but didn't want to be a downer....a guy with the same attitude killed one of my family members

if the limit is 60 or 70, you don't need a car that can do a 100...it leads to accidents and death

KevinD
07-12-2012, 01:52 PM
Why, despite the zillion advances in technology, do we still have these slowass speed limits, when the new cars can handle them with no problem?

55 is preposterous, so is 65, and 75 is starting to get right. Even my brokeass explorer can do a buck without breaking a sweat. (but I have to slow down for curves :lol: )

shit, I went for a ride in my buddy's bmw the other day and we did 140 when there was some free road. I dont see wtf the problem is. :mrgreen:

The problems has been, is, and always will be idiots that can't drive properly.

Hugh_Janus
07-12-2012, 09:02 PM
The problems has been, is, and always will be idiots that can't drive properly.
amd people overestimating their own ability behind the wheel

FBD
07-13-2012, 08:41 PM
The problems has been, is, and always will be idiots that can't drive properly....so the remedy is to make sure that driving laws are consistent with 1950s vehicle technology?


you try stopping from 100mph to zero in your explorer.... when your ass has finally let go of your seat, you'll think to yourself "that's really not very safe"its a good thing this isnt an ABC news report on how quickly explorers can stop from a buck :lol: (or there might be explosives involved...or was that nbc? :lol:)


amd people overestimating their own ability behind the wheelwhich is the very reason I taught my boy to go and do donuts in the parking lots when it snows so that he'll be familiar with how his car reacts when it slides :mrgreen: of course I think jumpin' that hill with him in the baby seat when I was 19 made him rather risk averse. I can still look back in the rear view mirror and see his baby arms flailing :lol: (it wasnt that bad, really...I never got wheels off the ground or anything :dance: )



Sorry guys, my point is, traffic around here goes 70-85mph, unless there happens to be a cop sitting right there. Post up ridiculous laws and people are less likely to obey them. 55 almost all over, 65 in some areas here. Hell even sometimes when traffic's hummin, they'll all do 80, 85 right past a cop if there's enough people. What does that say about the posted 55, 65? I'm not advocating making 25mph zones into 55s, here. I'm saying 65 is a preposterously low speed limit for the highway, and 90, 100 mph should not be treated like its a felony. Sure shit happens a lot more quickly at high speeds, I've sped enough to know that there's a significant difference between 90 and 110, unless you have a space age car designed to cruise at 160 on the autobahn.

Sorry for your loss Hal.

The funny thing is, around town, its 10mph over speed limit, pretty much always. (and of course that has to do with the law and ticket structure and the likelihood of getting pulled over sub 10mph over being basically nil.) Residential is entirely different than the highway.

Muddy
07-13-2012, 08:47 PM
...so the remedy is to make sure that driving laws are consistent with 1950s vehicle technology?

.

Why not? That POS you drive is.. :razz:

KevinD
07-13-2012, 09:22 PM
...so the remedy is to make sure that driving laws are consistent with 1950s vehicle technology?

Nope, I didn't say that at all, nor did I attempt to imply it.

I was more trying to say that it is far too easy to get , much less maintain a drivers license. Having race quite a bit in my younger years (yes street racing too) as well as being a fireman/first responder for 15 years, I am well aware of what happens to a vehicle, and the occupants at various speeds.

Our cars, no matter how fast they may be capable of going, are quite simply NOT designed to protect the occupants at above posted speeds. This is even worse when you factor in head on collisions. You then double the impact.

My 99Z28 when new was capable of reaching 165mph or so. Not only would I not have survived a wreck in that car at that speed, the brakes weren't capable of safe panic stops from speed either.

All that said, people traveling under the speed limits are just as much to blame as those that exceed the limits. I tend to drive (conditions permitting) within 5mph of posted speed limits. People that cut in and out of traffic, those that blissfully drive along at the posted limit or less in the left lane, those that fail to follow basic traffic laws (signals, stop signs/lights, etc) all cause accidents.

So I will in fact stand by my original assertion that idiot people are the cause. :mrgreen:

lost in melb.
07-16-2012, 08:08 AM
I don't agree with what FBD said but didn't want to be a downer....a guy with the same attitude killed one of my family members

if the limit is 60 or 70, you don't need a car that can do a 100...it leads to accidents and death

The trouble is to have a car that can travel at 60mph safely and comfortably, it need to be designed to go max at least 80/90 :-k