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Acid Trip
07-20-2012, 02:14 PM
I've officially made it! I'll be paying more in taxes this quarter than Microsoft!

http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-reports-first-loss-public-company-200908715--finance.html?_esi=1

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Microsoft posted its first quarterly loss in its 26 years as a public company on Thursday as it declared a struggling online ad business a bust and prepared for one of the biggest product updates in its history.

The software company had warned two weeks ago that it would take a $6.2 billion charge in the April-June quarter because its 2007 purchase of online ad service aQuantive failed to help it compete with Google Inc. The amount reflected the bulk of the $6.3 billion acquisition cost.

The online ad business remains just a tiny part of Microsoft — comprising just 4 percent of its annual revenue. Most of the company's sales come from its Office suite of productivity software, Windows operating system and, increasingly, computer servers.

Upbeat business software and server sales in the quarter helped offset a flat market for personal computers, which had put a damper on Windows sales. Taken as a whole, the software giant's results beat analyst expectations.

Shares rose 2.4 percent to $31.39 in after-hours trading following the earnings announcement.

Including the big write-down on aQuantive, Microsoft booked a $492 million loss in the fiscal fourth quarter, or 6 cents a share. That compares with earnings of $5.9 billion, or 69 cents, a year ago.

Revenue rose 4 percent to $18.06 billion.

Excluding the adjustment and the deferral of some revenue related to its upcoming Windows 8 operating system, earnings came to 73 cents per share.

Analysts polled by FactSet were looking for 62 cents per share of earnings on revenue of $18.15 billion.

"The quarter was pretty much in line across major segments of the business," Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund said.

Microsoft's fortunes are now tied to the Oct. 26 release of Windows 8, the most extreme redesign of the company's flagship operating system since 1995. Windows 8 will feature a new look and boast new technology that will enable the operating system to work on touch-controlled tablet computers, as well as Microsoft's traditional stronghold of desktop and laptop computers. In conjunction with Windows 8, Microsoft is planning to release its own tablet, the Surface.

A revamped version of Office, which bundles word processing, spreadsheet and email programs, is also in the works. Earlier this week, Microsoft previewed how the next version of Office will work on tablet computers running on Windows 8.

The company was conservative forecasting how much the product revamps will help drive revenue.

Chief Financial Officer Peter Klein told analysts that for the coming year, "We expect Windows revenue to be roughly in line with the PC market" which it said was flat in the last quarter and is expected to continue that way in the three months through September.

Even if Windows revenue is flat, that will be an improvement since revenue in the division has now dropped in five of the past seven quarters. It fell 13 percent in the quarter to $4.1 billion.

Microsoft excluded from its forecast any extra Windows sales that would come from its Surface tablet, for which it gave no outlook.

With Windows 8-powered devices still a few months away, some prospective PC buyers have been postponing their purchases so they can buy the latest technology from Microsoft this fall. Others who buy certain machines running Windows 7 will be able to upgrade to Windows 8 for $15 for a limited period.

That upgrade offer means that Microsoft couldn't book all the revenue associated with Windows 7, causing it to defer some revenue into later quarters.

Thursday's loss was the first for Redmond, Wash.-based Microsofit since the company went public in March 1986.

The $6.2 billion charge is a non-cash adjustment, which companies do when the value of their assets decline. Companies have to review their assets once a year, and the just-ended quarter is Microsoft's final one for fiscal 2012.

AQuantive was Microsoft's most expensive purchase at the time, and was supposed to help it mount a more serious challenge to Google in online ads.

But the online ad division continued to post losses — totaling more than $9 billion since the purchase, not including the charge.

By contrast, Google has widened its lead, thanks in part to its purchase of DoubleClick for $3.2 billion about eight months after the aQuantive deal.

Google's search engine, a major vehicle for selling ads, has remained strong, while Microsoft's Bing search engine saw its market share drop slightly to 26 percent, from 27 percent a year ago. That includes searches through Yahoo Inc., which has been using Microsoft's search technology for nearly two years.

PorkChopSandwiches
07-20-2012, 02:25 PM
Wow. That's what happens when you fall behind

Acid Trip
07-20-2012, 02:29 PM
Wow. That's what happens when you fall behind

They spent too much money buying other companies and not enough on innovating. It's an expensive lesson so I hope they were paying attention.

Arkady Renko
07-20-2012, 02:53 PM
I suppose the general idea of trying an outside acquisition in order to boost their advertising business was right, rather than trying to develop it with their own resources only. But it seems quite obvious that they paid far too much for aquantive and then managed it poorly, too. Windows 8 better be a smash hit then.

Acid Trip
07-20-2012, 02:56 PM
I suppose the general idea of trying an outside acquisition in order to boost their advertising business was right, rather than trying to develop it with their own resources only. But it seems quite obvious that they paid far too much for aquantive and then managed it poorly, too. Windows 8 better be a smash hit then.

Exactly. If you look at MSFT's history they are notorious for that.

Arkady Renko
07-20-2012, 03:07 PM
true, skype is a similar case even though they didn't lose any money with it (yet). But they still forked out several billions for a company without having a clear idea of what they would do with its assets, particulalry regarding their integration into the existing product range. I bet the guys at the VC firm they bought it from and eBay had a good chuckle when they read the offer MS made them for it. I wonder if they'll figure out a way of putting skype to good use eventually.

PorkChopSandwiches
07-20-2012, 03:30 PM
Windows 8 better be a smash hit then.

Not likely

Acid Trip
07-20-2012, 03:42 PM
true, skype is a similar case even though they didn't lose any money with it (yet). But they still forked out several billions for a company without having a clear idea of what they would do with its assets, particulalry regarding their integration into the existing product range. I bet the guys at the VC firm they bought it from and eBay had a good chuckle when they read the offer MS made them for it. I wonder if they'll figure out a way of putting skype to good use eventually.

I also wondered about the purchase of Skype. Did they have a purpose in mind or were they just buying it before Google did? Or maybe a combination of both.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-20-2012, 03:49 PM
Not likely

Yup, usually with Microsoft, every other OS they release ends up being crap....good, crap, good, crap, good, crap, good.......

And with Win7 being great, you just know that Win8 will suck.

PorkChopSandwiches
07-20-2012, 03:56 PM
Plus have you looked at it, they try to reinvent the wheel. Most people that use a computer arent that technical, now you have to learn a whole new interface. I saw one of the new windows phones they other day it was more annoying then anything.

Muddy
07-20-2012, 04:06 PM
Plus have you looked at it, they try to reinvent the wheel. Most people that use a computer arent that technical, now you have to learn a whole new interface. I saw one of the new windows phones they other day it was more annoying then anything.

I thought they made an appple ipad looking interface.?

PorkChopSandwiches
07-20-2012, 04:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxbHawhzACA

deebakes
07-22-2012, 04:55 AM
:apple: :oops:

FBD
07-22-2012, 03:02 PM
I thought they made an appple ipad looking interface.?

ding ding, and that's entirely the fkn problem - apple sells because apple is "cool" and nobody ever gets to be truly cool by simply looking like someone else but not acting like it in the least. I still cant believe "ooh look, the monitor has color!....on the outside!" saved apple's ass years ago. "trying to make everything simpler" somehow = "change the shit all over the place and make people who have used your shit forever have to learn entirely new ways of doing things"....wtf is this a grocery store where they have to shuffle around items every so often so people will notice items in the aisles they never go down?

:facepalm:

Arkady Renko
07-23-2012, 10:09 AM
I also wondered about the purchase of Skype. Did they have a purpose in mind or were they just buying it before Google did? Or maybe a combination of both.

No idea, really. they can obviously bundle it with windows and office so as to push its market share further, and I suppose you can tie it in nicely with their other products in various ways, but I fail to see how that might make them enough money to justify a purchase at that price.


Yup, usually with Microsoft, every other OS they release ends up being crap....good, crap, good, crap, good, crap, good.......

And with Win7 being great, you just know that Win8 will suck.

True, that. Vista and ME were actually quite annoying while I never had much if any trouble with 98, XP and 7. 7 in particular - a lot of older machines run faster on 7 than they did on XP or Vista.


Plus have you looked at it, they try to reinvent the wheel. Most people that use a computer arent that technical, now you have to learn a whole new interface. I saw one of the new windows phones they other day it was more annoying then anything.


ding ding, and that's entirely the fkn problem - apple sells because apple is "cool" and nobody ever gets to be truly cool by simply looking like someone else but not acting like it in the least. I still cant believe "ooh look, the monitor has color!....on the outside!" saved apple's ass years ago. "trying to make everything simpler" somehow = "change the shit all over the place and make people who have used your shit forever have to learn entirely new ways of doing things"....wtf is this a grocery store where they have to shuffle around items every so often so people will notice items in the aisles they never go down?

:facepalm:

whenever I see a preview shot of the new "Metro" surface I keep thinking it looks like something they could have come up with in eastern germany before the wall came down. The design is a terrible turnoff and for the record I don't want any fucking tiles on my 24" desktop. what do they think I use my mouse for? What's wrong with plain icons? the entire thing is half baked. Apparently you'll be able to run apps for windows phone on a PC but not the other way around and there'll be a watershed between apps and regular software after all. there's a good reason why there are no PCs with android or windows phone on them. For once, Apple have it exactly right by keeping iOS and MacOS separate while constantly improving the integration.

I just hope they'll extend support for Windows 7 for many years yet.