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Teh One Who Knocks
07-24-2012, 07:05 PM
By JIM AVILA - ABC News


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Outrage over the sanctions against Penn State's football program is high with some fans of the Nittany Lions football team, mostly stemming from the National Collegiate Athletic Association's decision to vacate 112 of the team's wins over the past 14 years.

In the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal, which has sent shockwaves through the State College, Pa., community over the past eight months, the NCAA hit the university with an unprecedented $60 million fine and capped scholarships for players. While the legacy of once-beloved former coach Joe Paterno has been tarnished after he was accused of participating in the sex abuse cover-up, the stripping of the team's wins stings the most for fans.

"People are thrown under the bus, institutions are thrown under the bus everyday for the bottom line. This is no different," Penn State alum Eric Bernier told ABC News.

Every hard-fought victory earned since 1998 by the Nittany Lions, who were coached by Paterno for a total of 45 years, has now been removed -- just like the statue of Paterno on the university's campus.

"The wins … we didn't cheat in football, that's unnecessary," Penn State student Alex Gibson said Monday.

The massive fine and harsh sanctions come in the aftermath of a damning report issued by former FBI director Louis Freeh, which harshly criticized the university and Paterno for failing to take action in the sex abuse case of Sandusky, his former assistant coach. Students in State College are dismayed as they watch as their once-proud university again humiliated.

"It just keeps piling on and on," student Maddy Proy told ABC News. "We are a huge family and this is just a huge blow to our family."

The university president promised the fines will be paid from athletic reserve funds. Penn State makes $60 million on football alone every season. The fines will not affect the education of the other 80,000 non-football playing students.

"We will not use any taxpayer dollars to fund that fine. Period," President Rodney A. Erickson said.

Perhaps paying the highest price and feeling most victimized are former players, who no longer have any victories in the record books -- all of them wiped out by the Jerry Sandusky scandal, which they presumably knew nothing about.

Michael Robinson played for the Nittany Lions from 2002-2005 and went on to play for the San Francisco 49ers.

"Jerry was a sick man," Robinson said. "I just don't think that our program is defined by the actions of one sick individual."

On ESPN, a sister network to ABC, the sanctions are the number one subject.

"Why punish athletes who weren't even around when all of this was transpiring," ESPN columnist J. A. Adande said. "Now you're denying opportunities for people to get scholarships to go to Penn State."

Sports columnist Woody Paige says that the decision could affect the University for many years to come

I don't think it's the death penalty," he says. "But i think it's almost like life imprisonment."

Speaking on "Good Morning America" Tuesday, ESPN's Jeremy Schaap said that the school may now lose some of its top football players.

"The immediate impact is that the NCAA is allowing student athletes to transfer without penalty," Schaap said. "That means there might be a mass exodus … with no hope of playing at a bowl game, no hope to play in a championship, you would expect to see most of Penn State's top players to move out of there."

Schaap also says that he believes the NCAA is trying to send a message to the rest of the college athletic community that athletic programs cannot take precedence over the academic missions of universities. Still, he said, rewriting the history books can be dangerous.

"They're taking wins away from Joe Paterno … that's an understandable impulse considering the horrific crimes … but when you rewrite history, you risk forgetting what happened, and that's not what we're striving for," he said. "We want to remember what happened, and who allowed it to happen, and the hope is that that would prevent such things from ever happening again. "

PorkChopSandwiches
07-24-2012, 07:08 PM
I thought that was a strange ruling, but at the end of the day I say fuck 'em

Hal-9000
07-24-2012, 07:10 PM
I don't think they should penalize the players and other coaching staff...they won the games regardless of what Sandusky was doing in the backroom...

PorkChopSandwiches
07-24-2012, 07:12 PM
I don't think they should penalize the players and other coaching staff...they won the games regardless of what Sandusky was doing in the backroom...

"other coaching staff." were involved in the cover ups.

Muddy
07-24-2012, 07:13 PM
"other coaching staff." were involved in the cover ups.

The kids werent though... And thats who is being penalized.

Acid Trip
07-24-2012, 07:48 PM
The kids werent though... And thats who is being penalized.

A typical academic student at Penn St isn't being penalized at all. So their football team lost some wins, big f'ing deal. That doesn't diminish the education they are getting. It just means their football record is shittier than before.

Muddy
07-24-2012, 07:49 PM
A typical academic student at Penn St isn't being penalized at all. So their football team lost some wins, big f'ing deal. That doesn't diminish the education they are getting. It just means their football record is shittier than before.

They cut out some scholarships and all kinds of crap..

Teh One Who Knocks
07-24-2012, 07:50 PM
They cut out some scholarships and all kinds of crap..

Only athletic scholarships

Muddy
07-24-2012, 07:51 PM
That shits important to some kids.. It may be the only way they can afford to attend..

Hal-9000
07-24-2012, 07:51 PM
the game wins were not predicated on Sandusky and company dicking the boys...in fact, they won in spite of that backroom shite...

so again, I feel that removing wins is not fair to the players and upstanding staff members :x

Muddy
07-24-2012, 07:52 PM
the game wins were not predicated on Sandusky and company dicking the boys...in fact, they won in spite of that backroom shite...

so again, I feel that removing wins is not fair to the players and upstanding staff members :x

Agreed.. Punish the school by making them offer half price educations or something...

PorkChopSandwiches
07-24-2012, 07:53 PM
That shits important to some kids.. It may be the only way they can afford to attend..

They can still get scholarships to other schools, that have less rape

Teh One Who Knocks
07-24-2012, 07:54 PM
They can still get scholarships to other schools, that have less rape

What if they want to major in rape tho? :-k

Acid Trip
07-24-2012, 07:55 PM
What if they want to major in rape tho? :-k

Then they need to apply to the University of Miami...

PorkChopSandwiches
07-24-2012, 07:58 PM
:lol:

Muddy
07-24-2012, 07:59 PM
Lots of rape there I take it?

Hal-9000
07-24-2012, 08:04 PM
Agreed.. Punish the school by making them offer half price educations or something...

completely....it was the admin, not the football players raping the other players and covering it up (I hope)

Acid Trip
07-24-2012, 08:04 PM
Lots of rape there I take it?

Rape and cheating at football. It's an easy 2nd choice for anyone leaving Penn St. They'll feel right at home.

Hal-9000
07-24-2012, 08:06 PM
It must be shitty being a junior there and looking forward to a life in football...

I could never wear the jersey out of embarrassment

PorkChopSandwiches
07-24-2012, 08:08 PM
They are allowing the players to transfer to another school without having to wait the year to play again.

Muddy
07-24-2012, 08:29 PM
Wow.. those boys fucked that place up...

FBD
07-24-2012, 09:31 PM
Rape and cheating at football. It's an easy 2nd choice for anyone leaving Penn St. They'll feel right at home.

There was cheating? Of what sort, I dont recall hearing about that, not that I read a lot about it. I was wondering why the hell they would take away wins, I mean, it didnt seem like there was any connection to the games themselves, it was coaching and administrative oversight failure...so what's that got to do with the outcome of games?

Hal-9000
07-24-2012, 09:42 PM
There was cheating? Of what sort, I dont recall hearing about that, not that I read a lot about it. I was wondering why the hell they would take away wins, I mean, it didnt seem like there was any connection to the games themselves, it was coaching and administrative oversight failure...so what's that got to do with the outcome of games?

that's the way I see it...




One eyed hal

Acid Trip
07-24-2012, 10:09 PM
There was cheating? Of what sort, I dont recall hearing about that, not that I read a lot about it. I was wondering why the hell they would take away wins, I mean, it didnt seem like there was any connection to the games themselves, it was coaching and administrative oversight failure...so what's that got to do with the outcome of games?

I was talking about the University of Miami on that post.

FBD
07-24-2012, 10:11 PM
oh, ok...then wtf, why are they stripped of wins? that makes absolutely no sense at all.

samarchepas
07-24-2012, 10:16 PM
Punish the team but not the students that have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this. 20 students won't get the scholarship they would have had without this...

Hal-9000
07-24-2012, 10:57 PM
No shit eh...

They should gather all current players and alumni who played football and create two lines the length of the football field. They all get bats with barbed wire or electric cattle prods.

Then make Sandusky run that 100 yard gauntlet naked, as fast as his old pedo legs will carry him.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-24-2012, 10:59 PM
Punish the team but not the students that have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this. 20 students won't get the scholarship they would have had without this...

If they were good enough to get an athletic scholarship at Penn State, then they're good enough to get one at just about any school that fields an athletic program

Muddy
07-25-2012, 12:21 AM
Your empathy is heartwarming...

PorkChopSandwiches
07-25-2012, 12:32 AM
Why would you defend this school?

Muddy
07-25-2012, 12:44 AM
Fuck the school.. It's the kids I'm defending... They were victimized by the football staff and now they are being victimized by this 'punishment'... Do you really think this is hurting anyone else?

RBP
07-25-2012, 12:51 AM
I was assuming they would just have less scholarships to recruit with, not that any existing scholarship players would lose their scholarship. Why do you think students will be cut from scholarships?

samarchepas
07-25-2012, 12:52 AM
If they were good enough to get an athletic scholarship at Penn State, then they're good enough to get one at just about any school that fields an athletic program

Each school has a pre-determined number of scholarships they have...those 20 won't be replaced...just cancelled. So 20 students are out of luck, sure they offered the possibility to change school...but they have like 3 weeks to do so.

Muddy
07-25-2012, 12:53 AM
I was assuming they would just have less scholarships to recruit with, not that any existing scholarship players would lose their scholarship. Why do you think students will be cut from scholarships?

It's just the impression I have... But still, those scholarships are the only way some of these kids can afford college..

RBP
07-25-2012, 01:04 AM
This explains it better but still doesn't really answer the question about if existing players will be losing scholarships.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/163501616.html

Muddy
07-25-2012, 01:25 AM
I think I understand what they were trying to accomplish with the punishments.. I think they just missed the point.. You want to punish that school? Make them lower tuition.. Hit them where it counts, the wallet. Removing opportunity and diminishing accomplishments of kids isn't the answer.. It's a hasty not well thought out knee jerk reaction..