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Teh One Who Knocks
07-30-2012, 09:45 PM
By ANDREW HACKER - The New York Times


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A TYPICAL American school day finds some six million high school students and two million college freshmen struggling with algebra. In both high school and college, all too many students are expected to fail. Why do we subject American students to this ordeal? I’ve found myself moving toward the strong view that we shouldn’t.

My question extends beyond algebra and applies more broadly to the usual mathematics sequence, from geometry through calculus. State regents and legislators — and much of the public — take it as self-evident that every young person should be made to master polynomial functions and parametric equations.

There are many defenses of algebra and the virtue of learning it. Most of them sound reasonable on first hearing; many of them I once accepted. But the more I examine them, the clearer it seems that they are largely or wholly wrong — unsupported by research or evidence, or based on wishful logic. (I’m not talking about quantitative skills, critical for informed citizenship and personal finance, but a very different ballgame.)

This debate matters. Making mathematics mandatory prevents us from discovering and developing young talent. In the interest of maintaining rigor, we’re actually depleting our pool of brainpower. I say this as a writer and social scientist whose work relies heavily on the use of numbers. My aim is not to spare students from a difficult subject, but to call attention to the real problems we are causing by misdirecting precious resources.

The toll mathematics takes begins early. To our nation’s shame, one in four ninth graders fail to finish high school. In South Carolina, 34 percent fell away in 2008-9, according to national data released last year; for Nevada, it was 45 percent. Most of the educators I’ve talked with cite algebra as the major academic reason.

Shirley Bagwell, a longtime Tennessee teacher, warns that “to expect all students to master algebra will cause more students to drop out.” For those who stay in school, there are often “exit exams,” almost all of which contain an algebra component. In Oklahoma, 33 percent failed to pass last year, as did 35 percent in West Virginia.

Algebra is an onerous stumbling block for all kinds of students: disadvantaged and affluent, black and white. In New Mexico, 43 percent of white students fell below “proficient,” along with 39 percent in Tennessee. Even well-endowed schools have otherwise talented students who are impeded by algebra, to say nothing of calculus and trigonometry.

California’s two university systems, for instance, consider applications only from students who have taken three years of mathematics and in that way exclude many applicants who might excel in fields like art or history. Community college students face an equally prohibitive mathematics wall. A study of two-year schools found that fewer than a quarter of their entrants passed the algebra classes they were required to take.

“There are students taking these courses three, four, five times,” says Barbara Bonham of Appalachian State University. While some ultimately pass, she adds, “many drop out.”

Another dropout statistic should cause equal chagrin. Of all who embark on higher education, only 58 percent end up with bachelor’s degrees. The main impediment to graduation: freshman math. The City University of New York, where I have taught since 1971, found that 57 percent of its students didn’t pass its mandated algebra course. The depressing conclusion of a faculty report: “failing math at all levels affects retention more than any other academic factor.” A national sample of transcripts found mathematics had twice as many F’s and D’s compared as other subjects.

Nor will just passing grades suffice. Many colleges seek to raise their status by setting a high mathematics bar. Hence, they look for 700 on the math section of the SAT, a height attained in 2009 by only 9 percent of men and 4 percent of women. And it’s not just Ivy League colleges that do this: at schools like Vanderbilt, Rice and Washington University in St. Louis, applicants had best be legacies or athletes if they have scored less than 700 on their math SATs.

It’s true that students in Finland, South Korea and Canada score better on mathematics tests. But it’s their perseverance, not their classroom algebra, that fits them for demanding jobs.

Nor is it clear that the math we learn in the classroom has any relation to the quantitative reasoning we need on the job. John P. Smith III, an educational psychologist at Michigan State University who has studied math education, has found that “mathematical reasoning in workplaces differs markedly from the algorithms taught in school.” Even in jobs that rely on so-called STEM credentials — science, technology, engineering, math — considerable training occurs after hiring, including the kinds of computations that will be required. Toyota, for example, recently chose to locate a plant in a remote Mississippi county, even though its schools are far from stellar. It works with a nearby community college, which has tailored classes in “machine tool mathematics.”

That sort of collaboration has long undergirded German apprenticeship programs. I fully concur that high-tech knowledge is needed to sustain an advanced industrial economy. But we’re deluding ourselves if we believe the solution is largely academic.

A skeptic might argue that, even if our current mathematics education discourages large numbers of students, math itself isn’t to blame. Isn’t this discipline a critical part of education, providing quantitative tools and honing conceptual abilities that are indispensable — especially in our high tech age? In fact, we hear it argued that we have a shortage of graduates with STEM credentials.

Of course, people should learn basic numerical skills: decimals, ratios and estimating, sharpened by a good grounding in arithmetic. But a definitive analysis by the Georgetown Center on Education and the Workforce forecasts that in the decade ahead a mere 5 percent of entry-level workers will need to be proficient in algebra or above. And if there is a shortage of STEM graduates, an equally crucial issue is how many available positions there are for men and women with these skills. A January 2012 analysis from the Georgetown center found 7.5 percent unemployment for engineering graduates and 8.2 percent among computer scientists.

Peter Braunfeld of the University of Illinois tells his students, “Our civilization would collapse without mathematics.” He’s absolutely right.

Algebraic algorithms underpin animated movies, investment strategies and airline ticket prices. And we need people to understand how those things work and to advance our frontiers.

Quantitative literacy clearly is useful in weighing all manner of public policies, from the Affordable Care Act, to the costs and benefits of environmental regulation, to the impact of climate change. Being able to detect and identify ideology at work behind the numbers is of obvious use. Ours is fast becoming a statistical age, which raises the bar for informed citizenship. What is needed is not textbook formulas but greater understanding of where various numbers come from, and what they actually convey.

What of the claim that mathematics sharpens our minds and makes us more intellectually adept as individuals and a citizen body? It’s true that mathematics requires mental exertion. But there’s no evidence that being able to prove (x² + y²)² = (x² - y²)² + (2xy)² leads to more credible political opinions or social analysis.

Many of those who struggled through a traditional math regimen feel that doing so annealed their character. This may or may not speak to the fact that institutions and occupations often install prerequisites just to look rigorous — hardly a rational justification for maintaining so many mathematics mandates. Certification programs for veterinary technicians require algebra, although none of the graduates I’ve met have ever used it in diagnosing or treating their patients. Medical schools like Harvard and Johns Hopkins demand calculus of all their applicants, even if it doesn’t figure in the clinical curriculum, let alone in subsequent practice. Mathematics is used as a hoop, a badge, a totem to impress outsiders and elevate a profession’s status.

It’s not hard to understand why Caltech and M.I.T. want everyone to be proficient in mathematics. But it’s not easy to see why potential poets and philosophers face a lofty mathematics bar. Demanding algebra across the board actually skews a student body, not necessarily for the better.

I WANT to end on a positive note. Mathematics, both pure and applied, is integral to our civilization, whether the realm is aesthetic or electronic. But for most adults, it is more feared or revered than understood. It’s clear that requiring algebra for everyone has not increased our appreciation of a calling someone once called “the poetry of the universe.” (How many college graduates remember what Fermat’s dilemma was all about?)

Instead of investing so much of our academic energy in a subject that blocks further attainment for much of our population, I propose that we start thinking about alternatives. Thus mathematics teachers at every level could create exciting courses in what I call “citizen statistics.” This would not be a backdoor version of algebra, as in the Advanced Placement syllabus. Nor would it focus on equations used by scholars when they write for one another. Instead, it would familiarize students with the kinds of numbers that describe and delineate our personal and public lives.

It could, for example, teach students how the Consumer Price Index is computed, what is included and how each item in the index is weighted — and include discussion about which items should be included and what weights they should be given.

This need not involve dumbing down. Researching the reliability of numbers can be as demanding as geometry. More and more colleges are requiring courses in “quantitative reasoning.” In fact, we should be starting that in kindergarten.

I hope that mathematics departments can also create courses in the history and philosophy of their discipline, as well as its applications in early cultures. Why not mathematics in art and music — even poetry — along with its role in assorted sciences? The aim would be to treat mathematics as a liberal art, making it as accessible and welcoming as sculpture or ballet. If we rethink how the discipline is conceived, word will get around and math enrollments are bound to rise. It can only help. Of the 1.7 million bachelor’s degrees awarded in 2010, only 15,396 — less than 1 percent — were in mathematics.

I’ve observed a host of high school and college classes, from Michigan to Mississippi, and have been impressed by conscientious teaching and dutiful students. I’ll grant that with an outpouring of resources, we could reclaim many dropouts and help them get through quadratic equations. But that would misuse teaching talent and student effort. It would be far better to reduce, not expand, the mathematics we ask young people to imbibe. (That said, I do not advocate vocational tracks for students considered, almost always unfairly, as less studious.)

Yes, young people should learn to read and write and do long division, whether they want to or not. But there is no reason to force them to grasp vectorial angles and discontinuous functions. Think of math as a huge boulder we make everyone pull, without assessing what all this pain achieves. So why require it, without alternatives or exceptions? Thus far I haven’t found a compelling answer.

Hugh_Janus
07-30-2012, 09:48 PM
I've not had to use algebra once since leaving school :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
07-30-2012, 09:57 PM
I use it everyday.

DemonGeminiX
07-30-2012, 10:04 PM
Of course it is. All math is necessary.

Muddy
07-30-2012, 10:27 PM
I use simple math everyday.. Margins and costs and shit..

DemonGeminiX
07-30-2012, 10:29 PM
The toll mathematics takes begins early. To our nation’s shame, one in four ninth graders fail to finish high school. In South Carolina, 34 percent fell away in 2008-9, according to national data released last year; for Nevada, it was 45 percent. Most of the educators I’ve talked with cite algebra as the major academic reason.

Shirley Bagwell, a longtime Tennessee teacher, warns that “to expect all students to master algebra will cause more students to drop out.” For those who stay in school, there are often “exit exams,” almost all of which contain an algebra component. In Oklahoma, 33 percent failed to pass last year, as did 35 percent in West Virginia.


This author is a fucking idiot.

Goofy
07-30-2012, 10:50 PM
A B C, get it up yee!

Southern Belle
07-31-2012, 01:57 AM
I didn't think kids HAD to take algebra in high school. I thought the ones who didn't grasp it could take general math type courses and the ones who aspire to go to college could take algebra and advanced math classes.

deebakes
07-31-2012, 02:18 AM
algebra :lwank:

KevinD
07-31-2012, 02:31 AM
I work in a Eng/Tech field of electronics. I don't use Algebra often, but when I do, it's relatively easy to look up what formula I need.

Growing up in Texas (Houston), as a Middle school student, Algebra was a required course. I failed it 3 times (once in regular, and twice in summer school) didn't get it passed until 8th grade, when I had a teacher that took the time to explain WHY the formulas worked. All teachers before that taught to memorize the formulas. My brain simply won't work that way. If I understand why, then I can remember.

DemonGeminiX
07-31-2012, 02:42 AM
Algebra isn't even close to being advanced math. If anyone in here is scared of algebra, I can show you things that will give you night terrors for the rest of your life. Basic algebra is nothing.

This fool is assuming that the subject itself is the problem but that is absolutely false. The real problems are bad teachers, bad motivation, bad discipline, and lack of positive reinforcement. When I used to tutor, I faced seemingly the most hopeless cases of people who "just couldn't get it". By the time I was done with them, they were the best in their classes. Anyone can do Algebra, anyone can do Calculus. It's how it's presented and how you look at it.

Southern Belle
07-31-2012, 02:44 AM
Me too Kev. I'm not good at memorizing. I have to know why. It's amazing that I memorized the multiplication tables.

Muddy
07-31-2012, 02:53 AM
Algebra isn't even close to being advanced math. If anyone in here is scared of algebra, I can show you things that will give you night terrors for the rest of your life. Basic algebra is nothing.

This fool is assuming that the subject itself is the problem but that is absolutely false. The real problems are bad teachers, bad motivation, bad discipline, and lack of positive reinforcement. When I used to tutor, I faced seemingly the most hopeless cases of people who "just couldn't get it". By the time I was done with them, they were the best in their classes. Anyone can do Algebra, anyone can do Calculus. It's how it's presented and how you look at it.

I wish you lived near me.. I'd love to learn advanced math and have it be enjoyable..

deebakes
07-31-2012, 03:04 AM
I wish you lived near me.. I'd love to learn advanced math and have it be enjoyable..

he does live near you :-k

KevinD
07-31-2012, 03:10 AM
I agree with DGX. Algebra isn't that advanced, and my failures were directly attributable to the lack of proper teaching. Memory by rote was common when I was in school (and still is as far as I know) and doesn't work for many people.
I was pleasantly surprised at how well I did in other higher mathematics when I went back to get my degree. Of course, I had motivation then (paying for it myself) as well teachers who genuinely cared.
Not saying all public school teachers are bad, or don't care, but due to the DOE, they are required to teach a certain way, and therefore limited in what they can do.

KevinD
07-31-2012, 03:13 AM
Me too Kev. I'm not good at memorizing. I have to know why. It's amazing that I memorized the multiplication tables.

Took me forever. Luckily, I had a Mom willing to spend hours a day with me using "flash cards" over and over again until I could memorize them. It wasn't until later than I began to understand why numbers worked the way they do that it all clicked.

I can also remember being frustrated as hell with fractions. Growing up with a father in carpentry, I would often go to work with him. When he would ask me to cut something in half, I always had to count the damned lines on the measuring tape. I was in my late teens before I figured out how to do that in my head.

DemonGeminiX
07-31-2012, 03:16 AM
he does live near you :-k

:-s

No he doesn't.

Jezter
07-31-2012, 08:30 AM
Algebra is ofcourse necessary and much needed. No question about it. Even if Math is not my strongest suit nor my favorite, I understand the necessity of it, especially now cuz I study in a field that requires really difficult equations at times. Algebra and other "basic" math is really needed to prepare you and your brain for what it is to come. All math is in a way linked and the more you understand how it works, the better you are at the different kinds of math, the easier it will be to grasp the increasingly more difficult concepts. I have become to realize the connection between different "kinds" of math the more I've studied. It has really helped me along the way, cuz it has allowed me to understand where certain kind of equations come from, why they must be calculated the way they do and in some cases, given me a chance to take little "shortcuts".

It is vital to keep teaching Algebra is the bottom line. It is foolish to think it is going to help to cut it out in order to keep more students...it is the quality, not quantity.

KevinD
07-31-2012, 09:34 AM
2+2 = bananas!

Arkady Renko
07-31-2012, 10:32 AM
I think the Chinese and Koreans will laugh their heads off at this article. It's one in a long series of articles which repeat ad nauseam that if too many kids fail in school we should simply dumb thing down so as to "produce" more diplomas. That's a perverse and destructive logic. The only reasonable course of action is to figure out why so many fail and how lessons can be improved in order to reduce the failure ratio. Of course, this would mean that you'd have to perform an unbiased analysis of the performance of schools (---> teachers might have to be held accountable for their work *gasp*) and parents would have to acknowledge that they have to actually do stuff in order to support their kids in their education carreer (*double gasp* - wasn't it the State's business to take care of my kids' education?).

Obviously, a lot of people would rather save face and dumb down requisites further, but I think that providing a solid education for all children is the #1 priority if countries like the US and Germany want to preserve and stabilize their prosperity.


he does live near you :-k

the distance between georgia and Virginia is like the one between Minnesota and Ohio.


Algebra is ofcourse necessary and much needed. No question about it. Even if Math is not my strongest suit nor my favorite, I understand the necessity of it, especially now cuz I study in a field that requires really difficult equations at times. Algebra and other "basic" math is really needed to prepare you and your brain for what it is to come. All math is in a way linked and the more you understand how it works, the better you are at the different kinds of math, the easier it will be to grasp the increasingly more difficult concepts. I have become to realize the connection between different "kinds" of math the more I've studied. It has really helped me along the way, cuz it has allowed me to understand where certain kind of equations come from, why they must be calculated the way they do and in some cases, given me a chance to take little "shortcuts".

It is vital to keep teaching Algebra is the bottom line. It is foolish to think it is going to help to cut it out in order to keep more students...it is the quality, not quantity.

it's not just that, people need to acquire at least a basic understanding of algebra and math in general, how else are they supposed to take informed decisions when it comes to anything relating to economics? Loans, insurances, taxes etc. you don't get the numbers you're prey for people who do.

Muddy
07-31-2012, 10:35 AM
the distance between georgia and Virginia is like the one between Minnesota and Ohio.



.

Now there's some math I can understand. Lol

FBD
07-31-2012, 11:01 AM
Algebra isn't even close to being advanced math. If anyone in here is scared of algebra, I can show you things that will give you night terrors for the rest of your life. Basic algebra is nothing.

This fool is assuming that the subject itself is the problem but that is absolutely false. The real problems are bad teachers, bad motivation, bad discipline, and lack of positive reinforcement. When I used to tutor, I faced seemingly the most hopeless cases of people who "just couldn't get it". By the time I was done with them, they were the best in their classes. Anyone can do Algebra, anyone can do Calculus. It's how it's presented and how you look at it.

ffs, algebra is the basis for everything in math - its every bit as fundamental as arithmetic. teh WHY is important.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-31-2012, 01:43 PM
By Evelyn Lamb | Scientific American


In an opinion piece for the New York Times on Sunday, political science professor Andrew Hacker asks, “Is Algebra Necessary?” and answers, “No.” It’s not just algebra: geometry and calculus are on the chopping block, too. It’s not that he doesn’t think math is important; he wants the traditional sequence to be replaced by a general “quantitative skills” class, and perhaps some statistics.

Quite a few people have responded to Hacker’s column already. I highly recommend these posts by Rob Knop (http://scientopia.org/blogs/galacticinteractions/2012/07/29/when-andrew-hacker-asks-is-algebra-necessary-why-doesnt-he-just-ask-is-high-school-necessary/), Daniel Willingham (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/yes-algebra-is-necessary/2012/07/30/gJQAr6xMKX_blog.html), and RiShawn Biddle (http://dropoutnation.net/2012/07/30/why-algebra-matters-and-why-those-who-think-it-doesnt-are-wrong/).

There are so many problems with Hacker’s essay that it’s hard to know where to start. Hacker’s first main point is that math is difficult, and the poor grades that result prevent too many people from graduating high school or college. His second is that the math we learn is not the math we need in our jobs.

Math certainly is incomprehensible to many students, but from where I sit, poor teaching is often the reason. Math education is failing many of our students. Few pre-college math teachers majored or even minored in math, and until more teachers do, improvements will be hard to come by. Ironically, it seems that people who have mastered “useless” algebra and other higher math topics tend to get jobs that pay more than middle school math teachers earn. I have the utmost respect for people with math degrees who choose to teach in spite of the poor pay and discipline problems, but few people make that choice. Math education needs help, but Hacker’s suggestions throw out the baby with the bathwater.

What is algebra anyway? It’s a huge subject, but at its heart, it’s about relationships. How does a change in one quantity affect another quantity when they are related in a certain way? Hacker suggests that we need arithmetic but don’t need algebra. But it’s really difficult to separate these two skills. Algebra and geometry, another subject Hacker could do without, help develop logical skills and abstract reasoning so we can understand why we are making less money than before if we get a 20 percent pay cut followed by a 20 percent raise (or a 20 percent raise followed by a 20 percent pay cut—hello, commutative law of multiplication!) or how much merchandise we can purchase if we have $100 and a 25 percent off coupon.

Hacker is probably right that very few people use high-level math directly in their work. My work never requires me to know anything about the themes of “The Old Man and the Sea,” but my life would not be as rich if I had never been exposed to great literature and the challenge of analyzing and understanding it, as difficult as it was, and still is, for me. When I was in high school, I didn’t (and couldn’t) know whether my future job would require math, chemistry, writing or music. If I had stopped taking every subject that I probably wouldn’t use in my career, I don’t know what classes would have been left.

Hacker says that math is required in many professions “just to look rigorous,” as “a hoop, a badge, a totem to impress outsiders and elevate a profession’s status.” But what if it’s not just because it sounds good? What if medical schools know that calculus is not needed in a doctor’s day-to-day practice, but that the skills she learns when taking it, including perseverance in the face of a difficult subject, make her better at understanding and responding to the flood of information she encounters in her work?

Mathematicians are recruited by hedge funds, consulting firms, and technology companies not because they already know how to balance portfolios, what the best corporate strategies are, or how to optimize user interfaces, but because their mathematics degrees indicate experience and acuity at problem solving. It’s easier for companies to teach someone with a strong mathematics background how to do their specific work than to teach someone who knows the company business how to solve problems. And, like it or not, algebra is one of the first places students start to learn these problem solving skills.

Hacker acknowledges that math is important. It underlies technology and science that we use every day, and there is and will continue to be a need for mathematically able people in lots of professions. Eliminating abstract math education in the early school years, or allowing young students to opt out of rigorous math classes, will only serve to increase the disparity between those who “get it” and those who don’t. Those who have a grasp of mathematics will have many career paths open to them that will be closed to those who have avoided it.

Math education needs to improve, but if illiteracy were on the rise, I don’t think we’d be talking about eliminating reading from the curriculum.

Acid Trip
07-31-2012, 01:49 PM
I sucked at advanced Algebra but destroyed Physics. The teacher made the difference.

Hal-9000
07-31-2012, 02:00 PM
I don't think it's necessary. It certainly doesn't apply to all jobs no matter what the math big heads say here. Is it a fundamental part of math? I guess that depends if you apply it in your daily life....I haven't, not even once, since grade 12.

Jezter
07-31-2012, 02:39 PM
I sucked at advanced Algebra but destroyed Physics. The teacher made the difference.

A good teacher makes a huge difference. Just looking at my math/phys. grades and how they fluctuate prove that... motivation and finding a working way to get through my thick skull is important when it comes to subjects like math and phys. and chem. for that matter.

Acid Trip
07-31-2012, 02:44 PM
A good teacher makes a huge difference. Just looking at my math/phys. grades and how they fluctuate prove that... motivation and finding a working way to get through my thick skull is important when it comes to subjects like math and phys. and chem. for that matter.

Algebra II was the only B I got all through school. I never fully grasped what I was doing but I could go through the motions and get most problems right.

Any problem that deviated from the norm I got wrong.

FBD
07-31-2012, 04:12 PM
chem in hs with a good teacher: killed it. general chem in college (basically the exact same shit) with a shitty teacher that didnt care who got what for grades and expected you to pick up any and all slack from the inept lectures - I recall class averages on exams being somewhere in the neighborhood of 65...

...out of possible 150.

Hal-9000
07-31-2012, 04:15 PM
Algebra II was the only B I got all through school. I never fully grasped what I was doing but I could go through the motions and get most problems right.

Any problem that deviated from the norm I got wrong.

I was similar....basic math, trig, most physics and all of chem, biology I could pretty much do in my head. I could only go through the motions in algebra, if there was a deviation, I sucked :|

deebakes
07-31-2012, 11:51 PM
the distance between georgia and Virginia is like the one between Minnesota and Ohio.



i knew they were close together! :dance:

Arkady Renko
07-31-2012, 11:57 PM
and there probably is a village called St. Olaf in each of them.

Southern Belle
08-01-2012, 12:00 AM
NOT!

deebakes
08-01-2012, 12:04 AM
and there probably is a village called St. Olaf in each of them.

:shock:

:hills:

Southern Belle
08-01-2012, 12:09 AM
[-( In the South, we name our towns after the ones in England mostly.

Muddy
08-01-2012, 01:13 AM
I've never heard of st Olaf..?

deebakes
08-01-2012, 06:11 AM
I've never heard of st Olaf..?

rokr apparently knows my address :lol:

Arkady Renko
08-01-2012, 10:27 AM
I've never heard of st Olaf..?

you never watched Golden Girls?