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Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2012, 12:16 PM
Michael Kelley - Business Insider


U.S. courts will soon decide whether Americans can have the expectation of privacy over their DNA, reports Kate Moser at the Recorder.

Michael Risher of the ACLU of Northern California is challenging a California law that requires all felony arrestees to give a DNA sample.

He argues that Americans "don't want the government to have all that information about us." The government doesn't have the right to demand our genetic material – including the wealth of personal information it holds – even if it promises to use it only for law enforcement, Risher claims.

Hanni Fakhoury, a lawyer at the Electronic Frontier Foundation who filed a friend of the court brief in the case, says he's concerned about "some of the problems of large-scale data gathering not based on any individualized suspicion that someone is engaged in criminal activities."

That concern is already playing out in terms of the other ways the government collects data on innocent Americans without a warrant.

But there is no indication how mandatory DNA collection will play out as technology brings unprecedented challenges to interpreting the Fourth Amendment's right against unreasonable searches.

As Moser puts it in the Recorder:


In the age of smartphones, GPS and the prospect of ever cheaper ways to sequence an entire human genome, it's no small task to interpret the constitutional guarantee against unreasonable searches and seizures.
On one hand, as Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts points out, collecting DNA from individuals arrested for violent felonies "provides a valuable tool for investigating unsolved crimes and thereby helping to remove violent offenders from the general population."

On the other hand, as First District Court of Appeal panel Justice J. Anthony Kline stated when rejecting the notion that DNA collection is like fingerprinting, "there is no doubt that an extraordinary amount of private personal information can be extracted from the DNA samples and specimens seized by the police without a warrant, collected and indefinitely retained by the DOJ."

Last month Roberts said that the nation's highest court would likely hear Maryland v. King, which would establish the controlling law in the land on DNA collection.

Risher said it's unknown how it will play out because DNA is "one of those issues where judges vote in surprising ways" as they value both "importance of robust prosecutorial and police powers" and privacy protections of Americans.

KevinD
08-29-2012, 03:32 PM
They started doing this on "No Refusal" days in Houston area a few years back. Get pulled over, they take your blood, even if you object. I think it's a gross violation of privacy.

Iffy
08-29-2012, 09:22 PM
Sample my DNA ? :-s


:hand: that line never works for me

Griffin
08-29-2012, 11:40 PM
You know what you get if you put human DNA in a goat?






























...banned from the zoo.

FBD
08-30-2012, 12:22 AM
They started doing this on "No Refusal" days in Houston area a few years back. Get pulled over, they take your blood, even if you object. I think it's a gross violation of privacy.
Just for getting pulled over???

allsmiles
08-30-2012, 12:53 AM
Fine by me. I have nothing to hide. Take all the dna from me you want.

DemonGeminiX
08-30-2012, 02:20 AM
They'll have to kill me first. I absolutely will not submit to such a blatant violation of my personal privacy.

Acid Trip
08-30-2012, 01:48 PM
You know what you get if you put human DNA in a goat?






























...banned from the zoo.

:rofl:

Goofy
08-30-2012, 02:21 PM
Fine by me. I have nothing to hide. Take all the dna from me you want.

Agreed :thumbsup: If law enforcement had DNA records of every single person on earth then it would be a lot easier to catch criminals :)

redred
08-30-2012, 02:37 PM
i agree with that kind of ,but what if you were drinking from a can and put it in a bin , i then picked the can out of a bin ,murdered someone and left the can next to the body you'd be dna linked to that murder

KevinD
08-31-2012, 04:02 PM
Just for getting pulled over???

I haven't heard of them doing it lately, but what they would do, is on busy weekend evenings (like the upcoming holiday) is set up checkpoint (roadblocks) An officer would personally talk to driver of every car. If he suspected anything at all, you would be taken to a nearby Ambulance where EMT would take your blood, do initial screening, then charge you if anything was found. All this without your agreement or any viable reason to stop you in the first place.
While I do not agree with DWI/DUI (yeas, I've been guilty of it, and got arrested for it 20 something years ago) to do it this was violates all kinds of existing laws and rights imho.

Fine by me. I have nothing to hide. Take all the dna from me you want.

Smiles, I can understand your view, but do you know that to agree with this is to give up basic rights of yours, as defined by the US Constitution?


They'll have to kill me first. I absolutely will not submit to such a blatant violation of my personal privacy.

Agreed. If this ever happens to me, y'all will be seeing me on the evening news.
My personal rights are inviolate to me, and I will NOT give them up, just so some folks want me to "for the good of all"


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

QFT