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PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 07:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/3IHib.jpg


Prior to the passage of Prop 30, California had the second highest state income tax rates in the nation. Now California has the highest state income taxes in the nation along with the highest gasoline taxes and sales taxes.

This will cause more businesses to leave California for states that have less punitive taxes, including states that have zero income tax, and much friendlier business and regulatory environments. Attached is a partial list of businesses that have recently left the state, and while there are many names you will not recognize, the list includes big names like Apple Computer, Denny's Corp., Fluor Corp., Hewlett-Packard, Hilton Hotels, Intel Corp., Nissan North America, Northrop Grumman, StarKist, USAA Insurance. It doesn't always mean that they moved their main headquarters because many of these are headquartered out of state, but they have moved major regional centers out of California employing lots of workers.

That only provides half of the picture. It doesn't tell you what companies will not come to California that aren't here now. Does anyone think a new, ambitious start-up company, run by driven, energetic, entrepreneurial-minded risk takers, is planning to locate in the highest taxed state in the nation? Chief Executive Magazine surveyed 650 chief executives and the business executives ranked California the absolute worst state in the nation for business for the 8th year in a row. These are thousands upon thousands of jobs that will never come to this state.

I predict that the increase in income tax rates in California will lead to less tax revenues collected by the state. The state will get more tax revenues in 2012 because the law just passed and it is retroactive to 1/1/12, but from 2013 forward less income tax revenues will come to Sacramento. Businesses will be leaving the state, and those high income people that do stick around have ways to take less income, move assets around, etc. so that they do not have to pay more taxes. In other words, people will not sit still and take it.

Listening to the radio yesterday, the elation of school officials and college students in the state college system was at a high level, and officials were talking about retracting tuition increases that had been planned. It won't take long for those officials to realize that the problem has not been solved. New tax revenues will not be materializing.

And what is the problem after all? Public employee pensions. The California State Teachers Retirement System has a $65 billion unfunded liability over the next 30 years. A teacher can retire at age 60 and receive $54,000 annual pensions for the rest of their life plus free health care. The average firefighter cost $157,000 a year in pay and benefits and can retire at age 50 with a pensions equal to 90% of his/her highest salary, plus free lifetime health benefits. Much the same with police. I think most of us understand how we got here. Governor Brown, in his first term back in the 70s, allowed, for the first time, public employees to unionize. The unions take mandatory deductions from the paychecks and use those funds for Democratic election campaigns. The elected Democrats then cut the salary and benefit deals the unions ask for. Prop 32 was an attempt to stop that, but it failed passage.

The unaffordable and unsustainable pension deals are crowding out all other spending needs for essential services in the state of California. The state of California is insolvent. The Prop 30 tax increase will only drive productive people out of the state, leaving less revenues, and thus will totally back fire. We will start to see more municipal bankruptcies like Vallejo, Stockton, and San Bernardino. When a municipality declares bankruptcy, the future is very bleak for its residents.

I was listening to McIntyre in the morning a few days before the election and he was interviewing Governor Brown about Prop 30 and he asked the Governor, with the state is such dire fiscal condition, why did he and the Democrats in the state legislature vote to move forward with the High Speed Rail project between Bakersfield and Fresno. The first stage of the high speed rail will cost $68 billion. Governor Brown became argumentative and made two main points: 1) France has a high speed rail, and 2) with such naysayers we never would have had the Mars Rover.

California is in a death spiral. Prop 30 has not saved the state. It will make it much worse. There are many great people and families that have been here for generations who will begin uprooting their families to move out of state. The future in California is bleak.


PS

I didnt write it, just thought I would pass it along.

RBP
11-08-2012, 08:03 PM
Model for America!

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 08:04 PM
:dance:

How could it go wrong

Lambchop
11-08-2012, 08:18 PM
D/W bro, I'll get big O on the case immediately.

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 08:20 PM
You funny.

Muddy
11-08-2012, 08:21 PM
Wow!! 65 billion in teachers pensions??

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 08:23 PM
Unions FTW

Muddy
11-08-2012, 08:25 PM
Unions FTW

My grandmother is a ex-county employed pensioner.. It's so nice her two sons are living quite nicely off her.. :lol:

Acid Trip
11-08-2012, 08:26 PM
You mean the liberal model for America isn't working? I'm stunned! :roll:

Muddy
11-08-2012, 08:27 PM
You mean the liberal model for America isn't working? I'm stunned! :roll:

Have you finished moving all your money?

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 08:27 PM
My grandmother is a ex-county employed pensioner.. It's so nice her two sons are living quite nicely off her.. :lol:

Yeah, she can support 3 people on that pension. Nice

Muddy
11-08-2012, 08:28 PM
Yeah, she can support 3 people on that pension. Nice

She'd be a fool not to accept the benefits she was offered to take the job...

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 08:29 PM
Agreed, but you can see where it ultimately leads

Muddy
11-08-2012, 08:30 PM
Agreed, but you can see where it ultimately leads

I never did understand its sustainability..

Acid Trip
11-08-2012, 08:35 PM
Have you finished moving all your money?

Moving it to what?

Muddy
11-08-2012, 08:36 PM
Moving it to what?

The hole in the back yard... :lol:

DemonGeminiX
11-08-2012, 08:38 PM
Another reason to move to Arizona, Porky. Sell your Cali house to some illegals and get the hell outta Dodge.

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 08:38 PM
Its getting closer to a reality

Muddy
11-08-2012, 08:41 PM
Its getting closer to a reality

The great white flight!

Teh One Who Knocks
11-08-2012, 08:50 PM
Its getting closer to a reality

Come to Colorado...better weather than Arizona and it's not completely hopeless here....yet

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 08:51 PM
:tup:

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 08:51 PM
Come to Colorado...better weather than Arizona and it's not completely hopeless here....yet

and weed is legal :lol:

Muddy
11-08-2012, 08:58 PM
and weed is legal :lol:

Yeah, but it's still an Obama state! :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
11-08-2012, 09:03 PM
Yeah, but it's still an Obama state! :lol:

Just barely this past election....plus we have more republican House members than democrat House members right now.

Muddy
11-08-2012, 09:28 PM
Just barely this past election....plus we have more republican House members than democrat House members right now.

My state struggles keeping Republican because of the large NEGRO population.

minz
11-08-2012, 09:29 PM
Come to the UK :d

Lambchop
11-08-2012, 09:35 PM
My state struggles keeping Republican because of the large NEGRO population.

We prefer the term Tyronian.

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 09:35 PM
Come to the UK :d



trade his negros for Pakis?

Muddy
11-08-2012, 09:43 PM
We prefer the term Tyronian.

I'll try and slip that into some everyday conversation.

DemonGeminiX
11-08-2012, 09:54 PM
I'll try and slip that into some everyday conversation.

:rip: Muddy

Teh One Who Knocks
11-08-2012, 10:07 PM
My state struggles keeping Republican because of the large NEGRO population.

We slipped into blue state territory because of the Mexicans :|

Muddy
11-08-2012, 11:21 PM
God damn Hicans.... :x

RBP
11-08-2012, 11:38 PM
Nice. Most racist thread ever. :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 11:39 PM
Those mutha fuckas do all the work so all you whiteys can sit back and live the good life

PorkChopSandwiches
11-08-2012, 11:39 PM
Nice. Most racist thread ever. :lol:

The I voted could be a contender :lol:

Muddy
11-09-2012, 12:22 AM
Only when White people state the facts is it considered racist.

PorkChopSandwiches
11-09-2012, 12:50 AM
Its not racist as much as non- pc

Muddy
11-09-2012, 12:56 AM
All this PC is what gotten us in this quagmire...

RBP
11-09-2012, 01:04 AM
All this PC is what gotten us in this quagmire...

:giggity:

Teh One Who Knocks
11-09-2012, 11:33 AM
Only when White people state the facts is it considered racist.

:qft:

deebakes
11-15-2012, 04:50 AM
should i not plan on moving to california then? :-k

Korpiklaani
11-15-2012, 04:52 AM
Dude, how do you say your username, its bugging me. Is it Deh-bah-keys, or Dee-bakes.

deebakes
11-15-2012, 05:02 AM
the latter :lol:

Korpiklaani
11-15-2012, 05:03 AM
Que?

RBP
11-15-2012, 05:05 AM
:ladder:

deebakes
11-15-2012, 05:06 AM
Que?

was i not supposed to answer your first question? :-k

RBP
11-15-2012, 05:09 AM
drunks :x

Korpiklaani
11-15-2012, 05:10 AM
Im lost....

deebakes
11-15-2012, 05:12 AM
hello mr. lost, i'm dee :lol:

Korpiklaani
11-15-2012, 05:20 AM
Fine, ill call you Dee. My name is Korpiklaani. But feel free to get the Coca Cabana song stuck in your head every time you see my name. It goes like this "Its the Korrpah, Korrpah Kahlaaaaaaniiiiiii"

deebakes
11-15-2012, 05:23 AM
i saw tom jones in concert at the casino when i was in high school... the old bitches love that man :lol:

Korpiklaani
11-15-2012, 05:24 AM
RBP, I will never let you forget this. :)

RBP
11-15-2012, 05:35 AM
bastard :x

PorkChopSandwiches
11-15-2012, 05:01 PM
i saw tom jones in concert at the casino when i was in high school... the old bitches love that man :lol:

Thats not who sings that song

deebakes
11-16-2012, 12:52 AM
he did that night :-k

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 02:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4GxUKYQ258

deebakes
11-16-2012, 05:15 AM
but seriously... i have a job offer in san fran that i am contemplating. should i stay out of ca? :-k

Richard Cranium
11-16-2012, 05:23 AM
run the fuck away

DemonGeminiX
11-16-2012, 05:48 AM
but seriously... i have a job offer in san fran that i am contemplating. should i stay out of ca? :-k

I've always heard that the cost of living is outrageously expensive out there. Would taking the job be a step up, financially speaking, given the expenses and taxes you'll be facing, or would it be more of a lateral move when taking expenses and salary under consideration?

deebakes
11-16-2012, 05:50 AM
i guess it would be lateral in the short term, but have a higher ceiling since i am currently in a not-for-profit :idk:

RBP
11-16-2012, 06:03 AM
and free buttseks!

redred
11-16-2012, 07:17 AM
Have you got a car dee ? If yes i'd say go for it ,you could done the chase from bullet every day you drive to work

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 03:37 PM
but seriously... i have a job offer in san fran that i am contemplating. should i stay out of ca? :-k
I have lived in many different states. Politics aside its the best state to live in.

Teh One Who Knocks
11-16-2012, 03:39 PM
I have lived in many different states. Politics aside its the best state to live in.

:snapout:

FBD
11-16-2012, 03:48 PM
if you're only considering weather :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 03:51 PM
Weather, and all the available entertainment. Beaches, mountains, deserts, tons of music venues running every night (all within driving distance). If you just stay home all the time I guess it doesn't matter where you live.

Lambchop
11-16-2012, 03:58 PM
Should have kept Arnie around.

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 04:18 PM
I had no problem with Arnie, Brown is a big pile of shit though

DemonGeminiX
11-16-2012, 04:30 PM
:-k

Don't you pay out the ass with respect to taxes and living costs though?

And aren't you the one that's always considering hightailing it to Arizona at least once a week because of all the frustration you feel with being a California resident?

And do you dislike Dee that much to convince him to move to a place that you know will fall into the ocean soon?

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 04:34 PM
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

DemonGeminiX
11-16-2012, 04:36 PM
See that, guys? He doesn't even argue. He knows that Arizona's gonna become primo beachfront property soon.

:tup:

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 04:40 PM
:dance:


But seriously, best place to live

DemonGeminiX
11-16-2012, 04:41 PM
... if you know how to swim.

:tup:

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 04:43 PM
I was on the swim team, I'll swim my ass to Catalina

DemonGeminiX
11-16-2012, 04:44 PM
:-s

I hope they're not into kosher food in Catalina.

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 05:01 PM
IDK what that means :meh:

Acid Trip
11-16-2012, 05:37 PM
Weather, and all the available entertainment. Beaches, mountains, deserts, tons of music venues running every night (all within driving distance). If you just stay home all the time I guess it doesn't matter where you live.

Driving distance means a concert is 5 miles away but takes 3 hours by car.

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 05:44 PM
Bwhahahaha, traffic isnt so bad at night. Just during the commute times

Teh One Who Knocks
11-16-2012, 05:48 PM
Colorado > California

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 05:50 PM
I havent been to Colorado actually. You have an open room? I'll come check it out

DemonGeminiX
11-16-2012, 06:04 PM
I was on the swim team, I'll swim my ass to Catalina


:-s

I hope they're not into kosher food in Catalina.


IDK what that means :meh:

You're porky, and your ass will be in Catalina. The rear end of a pig is not considered kosher by those who are into eating kosher food, thus if the people in Catalina aren't into kosher food, they'll eat your ass.

:dance:

Actually, I should have said I hope they're into kosher food in... oh, nevermind.

Teh One Who Knocks
11-16-2012, 06:16 PM
I havent been to Colorado actually. You have an open room? I'll come check it out

I'd make room for ya :)

PorkChopSandwiches
11-16-2012, 06:27 PM
You're porky, and your ass will be in Catalina. The rear end of a pig is not considered kosher by those who are into eating kosher food, thus if the people in Catalina aren't into kosher food, they'll eat your ass.

:dance:

Actually, I should have said I hope they're into kosher food in... oh, nevermind.

:lol: Im slow today


I'd make room for ya :)
Summer trip :dance:

Teh One Who Knocks
11-16-2012, 06:34 PM
Summer trip :dance:

If you don't mind the heat....otherwise we will just spend the time in the mountains. A lot cooler at altitude.

Nice right now though, 50° and sunny

RBP
11-16-2012, 08:12 PM
You're porky, and your ass will be in Catalina. The rear end of a pig is not considered kosher by those who are into eating kosher food, thus if the people in Catalina aren't into kosher food, they'll eat your ass.

:dance:

Actually, I should have said I hope they're into kosher food in... oh, nevermind.

I'd eat Porky's ass. 8-[

Acid Trip
11-16-2012, 08:32 PM
I'd eat Porky's ass. 8-[

:shock:

:-k

Pics or GTFO

RBP
11-16-2012, 08:35 PM
Ironically, I bought half a spiral cut porky butt just today :tup:

:nom: