20 States Petition to Secede From U.S. After Obama Victory

[DemonGeminiX]

Citizens ostensibly upset that President Obama won another four-year term in office are petitioning the White House’s “We The People” site to allow 20 states to secede from the union.

From Gawker:

Petitions for secession filed from Louisiana and Texas have already received well over 10,000 signatures. Per the website’s own rules, petitions that garner 25,000 signatures or more within 30 days require a response from the Obama administration.

Similar petitions from Alabama, Tennessee, and, interestingly, Oregon, are also gaining traction, with each receiving thousands of supporters over the weekend alone.



Other states trying to secede: Florida, Arkansas, South Carolina, Missouri, Kentucky, Colorado, New Jersey, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Alabama, Michigan and Georgia. A petition was also started for the state of New York by someone in North Dakota (in fact, the petition’s creator, C R from Grand Forks, N.D., appears to be the same person behind the North Dakota one).

However, before you get yourself into a tizzy over whether the U.S. will soon be 20 states short of 50, Gawker points out that the petitions are most likely much ado about nothing.

As unilateral secession was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, it remains to be seen if this movement is more than a toothless temper tantrum thrown by armchair revolutionaries.



—Posted by Tracy Bloom.

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20_states_petition_to_secede_from_us_following_oba ma_victory_20121112/

[PorkChopSandwiches]

it remains to be seen if this movement is more than a toothless temper tantrum thrown by armchair revolutionaries.


It is

[Loser]

I'd sign it.

[FBD]

If any state succeeded in doing this, there'd be plenty of people willing to move there.

[Muddy]

If any state succeeded in doing this, there'd be plenty of people willing to move there.

What a bunch of fuggin whiny babys.. What happens when something happens next election they don't like, make each county a sovereign nation?

[Hugh_Janus]

civil war II

:dance:

[FBD]

What a bunch of fuggin whiny babys.. What happens when something happens next election they don't like, make each county a sovereign nation?

there would be no federal debt we're all subjected to :dance:

really...what's the incentive for a state like texas to stay in the USA if this shit continues unabated? they can support themselves.

[Muddy]

there would be no federal debt we're all subjected to :dance:

really...what's the incentive for a state like texas to stay in the USA if this shit continues unabated? they can support themselves.

Go ahead.. protect yourselves from Mexico..

[FBD]

:lol: I'm sure they'd have NO PROBLEM securing the border - we havent attempted securing the border any more than europe has attempted implementing austerity measures :meatspin:

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Go ahead.. protect yourselves from Mexico..


:lol: I'm sure they'd have NO PROBLEM securing the border - we havent attempted securing the border any more than europe has attempted implementing austerity measures :meatspin:

Yeah, Im sure TX wouldnt be first on the list to line up "work for free" militias on the border if they got shoot to kill orders :lol:

[Muddy]

Definition of DELUSION
1
: the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2
a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated
b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs
— de·lu·sion·al adjective
— de·lu·sion·ary adjective
See delusion defined for English-language learners »
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Examples of DELUSION

He has delusions about how much money he can make at that job.

He is living under the delusion that he is incapable of making mistakes.

She is under the delusion that we will finish on time.

As the illness progressed, his delusions took over and he had violent outbursts.

Because I am delusional I'm sure they'd have NO PROBLEM securing the border - we havent attempted securing the border any more than europe has attempted implementing austerity measures.

Because I'm delusional, I'm sure TX wouldn't be first on the list to line up "work for free" militias on the border if they got shoot to kill orders.

[DemonGeminiX]

As the illness progressed, his delusions took over and he had violent outbursts.

Better get him some help.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

:lol:

[Loser]

I'm just tired of paying my taxes so millions of 3rd and 4th generation assholes can sit on their drug dealing asses and contribute nothing to society.

[Muddy]

I'm just tired of paying my taxes so millions of 3rd and 4th generation assholes can sit on their drug dealing asses and contribute nothing to society.

What about the great drugs they provide? :-s

[PorkChopSandwiches]

:hand: They arent great, they are bottom of the barrel drugs

[Lambchop]

If there's a war over there you guys are welcome at mine. It'll be magical...

[Hal-9000]

We've had one province try to leave Canada a few times now...but the common sense and logic says that they can't survive independently, so they keep hanging around :sad2:

[Hal-9000]

Just think...if they could get another 5 states added to the 20, you guys could have another civil war :dance:

and since you wouldn't have to ship armaments or troops overseas, it would be economically sound too

[Teh One Who Knocks]

We've had one province try to leave Canada a few times now...but the common sense and logic says that they can't survive independently, so they keep hanging around :sad2:

http://i.imgur.com/XSrCG.jpg

:cheers:

[Hal-9000]

http://i.imgur.com/XSrCG.jpg

:cheers:

:x


hate...is not a strong enough word for that picture.

[Southern Belle]

*whines*

[Teh One Who Knocks]

:x


hate...is not a strong enough word for that picture.

You guys would never survive without Quebec :hand:

[Hal-9000]

You guys would never survive without Quebec :hand:

wow....milk can shoot outta people's noses


thanks :lol:

[lost in melb.]

Bwahahahah

[Griffin]

I'm just tired of paying my taxes so millions of 3rd and 4th generation assholes can sit on their drug dealing asses and contribute nothing to society.

careful, those are Obama' kin folk you refer to.

[Hal-9000]

I've always been of the firm opinion that if you don't like your country, leave it.

[Southern Belle]

I have a friend who talks about "expating" to South America. I don't think so. I don't see me having to lower my standard of living. That's why I'm so pissed off. They're dragging us down with them.

[Hal-9000]

I have a friend who talks about "expating" to South America. I don't think so. I don't see me having to lower my standard of living. That's why I'm so pissed off. They're dragging us down with them.

Do you usually vote Dem or Repub Belle?

[Southern Belle]

Do you usually vote Dem or Repub Belle?

What do you think Hal?

[Muddy]

What do you think Hal?

:lol:

[Hal-9000]

What do you think Hal?


:hand:

Don't answer a question with a question.

I can't say for sure out of any of you Americans, that's why I ask :)

[Southern Belle]

I vote Republican or Libertarian. I am very conservative. VERY.

meaning I'm not Socialist like the present administration.

[Hal-9000]

:lol:

for instance ol chucklepants above I'm told usually votes dem....I would have laid money he was a good ol republican boy

[Southern Belle]

Nah, not Muddy.

[Hal-9000]

I vote Republican or Libertarian. I am very conservative. VERY.

meaning I'm not Socialist like the present administration.


In our country we have conservatives and liberals. Historically the western side of Canada is predominantly conservative, while more liberal support is in the east.


Now I'm about the most liberal guy on the planet when it comes to most subjects :lol:....yet I vote conservative every election.


:shrug:

[Muddy]

for instance ol chucklepants above I'm told usually votes dem....I would have laid money he was a good ol republican boy

Who told you I was a democrat? I'm neither!! :lol:

[Southern Belle]

I'm not surprised. You are a practical person, not an idealist.

[Southern Belle]

That last statement was directed at Hal.

[Muddy]

I'm not surprised. You are a practical person, not an idealist.

I think both sides have some great points and also some major flaws..

This time around.. I did vote Republican... That debt has got to stop...

[Southern Belle]

I think both sides have some great points and also some major flaws..

This time around.. I did vote Republican... That debt has got to stop...

I'm mildly surprised but not shocked. You're right about the debt. That's not the only reason for me, but a large part of it.

[Hal-9000]

Who told you I was a democrat? I'm neither!! :lol:

Porky slingin the rumors :lol:

"Muddy always votes D" I believe was his quote

[Hal-9000]

we have the NDP party or now it's called ....oh crap where's GF when you need him.


Anyway...a third party that has had some good ideas/platforms in the past, just not enough support to win the seats...

[Muddy]

Porky slingin the rumors :lol:

"Muddy always votes D" I believe was his quote

That antichrist mutha fcuker is pulling your chain.. :lol:

[Hal-9000]

That antichrist mutha fcuker is pulling your chain.. :lol:

You didn't dispute it so I thought he was telling us a secret :lol:

I don't judge a person on which side of the fence they vote, it's personal shit like religion :thumbsup:



The funny thing about politics is this : (IMO) You can never have both sides run the country at the same time in history...meaning Democrats get in and do their thing for four years. You can never have the Republicans in for the same four years and do a comparison....which party did better with the issues and resources on hand, at that particular time in history?


It's like having a kid and saying - I wish we would have let him do this when he was growing up...when in fact, you can never have the same kid and try a different parenting skill to see if kid B turns out any different from the change :lol:

[DemonGeminiX]

You guys would never survive without Quebec :hand:


wow....milk can shoot outta people's noses


thanks :lol:

LMFAO!!!

[Korpiklaani]

I would sign it as well.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

wow....milk can shoot outta people's noses


thanks :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/m5lES.jpg

[DemonGeminiX]

I would sign it as well.

:|

You do understand that they want to secede because Obama was reelected, right? Ya know. The same guy you voted for?

[Hal-9000]

http://i.imgur.com/m5lES.jpg

osti de tabernac la, tu m'enerve beaucoup!!!! et ca me fait agiter.... va chier avec tes mots! :x

[Griffin]

osti de tabernac la, tu m'enerve beaucoup!!!! et ca me fait agiter.... va chier avec tes mots! :x

translated- "Hold my beer and watch this shit!"

[DemonGeminiX]

osti de tabernac la, tu m'enerve beaucoup!!!! et ca me fait agiter.... va chier avec tes mots! :x

http://i.imgur.com/R6iY6.jpg

[Hal-9000]

http://i.imgur.com/R6iY6.jpg


I told him he was an annoying church sacrament :lol:


le burne :dance:

[DemonGeminiX]

I told him he was an annoying church sacrament :lol:


le burne :dance:

See? Now I gotta post pics to get what you guys are saying. Yahoo babelfish is gone and Bing translator sucks.

:sad2:

[Hal-9000]

you get on my nerves a lot... your words are crap....and tabernac is an all purpose swear to be used like when we would say...shit! or fuck!!!

The French use church or religious words as forms of profanity, where English use body parts or sexual actions...



and yes, my French is worse than my English believe it or don't :lol:

[DemonGeminiX]

you get on my nerves a lot... your words are crap....and tabernac is an all purpose swear to be used like when we would say...shit! or fuck!!!

The French use church or religious words as forms of profanity, where English use body parts or sexual actions...



and yes, my French is worse than my English believe it or don't :lol:

:-s

Well, for what it's worth, your French is a helluva lot better than mine.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

See? Now I gotta post pics to get what you guys are saying. Yahoo babelfish is gone and Bing translator sucks.

:sad2:

http://i.imgur.com/ZLVGu.png

Right click and Google Translate FTW :cheers:

[Hal-9000]

google translate maims that sentence :lol:

[DemonGeminiX]

I've been sitting here trying to find something that translates that fucking sentence accurately.

:no:

[Hal-9000]

I've been sitting here trying to find something that translates that fucking sentence accurately.

:no:

:winkyknowitallsmilie:



http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071012153318AA79QIS

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News | The Ticket


Looks like the Obama administration may have to respond to a petition seeking the green light for Texas to secede from the United States—one of 20 such requests filed on the official White House website since Election Day.

At the time of the writing of this post, the Texas secession petition had garnered 25,318 signatures—above the White House's self-imposed rules for requiring a reply.

(A "Recount the election!" petition filed Nov. 10 had 16,238 signatures. "Regulate Internet Pornography"? Not a big winner. It was filed Nov. 4 and had only 501 signatures.)

The White House may opt out of replying. Under its own rules, "To avoid the appearance of improper influence, the White House may decline to address certain procurement, law enforcement, adjudicatory, or similar matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local government in its response to a petition."

Other secession petitions include requests for Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, New Jersey, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama and New York. (Spoiler alert: No, the White House won't approve secession.)

Here's the text of the Texas petition:


The U.S. continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the U.S. suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect its citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

[FBD]

I'm fully expecting them to respond like pelosi did when they asked her if O'unconstitutionalCare was even constitutional - "are you kidding me?" and then completely ignore it.

[Acid Trip]

The White House won't approve secession but I doubt they could stop. Assad might be able to get the military to attack his own people but no way in hell US soldiers would attack Texas (or whoever).

US soldiers are sworn to protect the Constitution. Nothing in the Constitution says a state can't leave the union.

I grew up in the US military unlike most of you here. If you think I'm wrong about US troops attacking US citizens you are sadly mistaken. The military is overwhelmingly Conservative.

[RBP]

The White House won't approve secession but I doubt they could stop. Assad might be able to get the military to attack his own people but no way in hell US soldiers would attack Texas (or whoever).

US soldiers are sworn to protect the Constitution. Nothing in the Constitution says a state can't leave the union.

I grew up in the US military unlike most of you here. If you think I'm wrong about US troops attacking US citizens you are sadly mistaken. The military is overwhelmingly Conservative.

Well now I am confused on why we had a civil war and one nation.

[DemonGeminiX]

I just found Georgia's petition to secede. It has over 28000 signatures.

[DemonGeminiX]

Florida has close to 30,000 signatures. Texas is over 100,000 signatures.

[Acid Trip]

Well now I am confused on why we had a civil war and one nation.

Because people were fed lies and misinformation.

Think about this. How many people do you know think that the words "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution or the 1st Amendment?

Many would think it is and they'd all be wrong. Funny how when people keep saying something, even if it's false, it gets some credence.

[RBP]

Because people were fed lies and misinformation.

Think about this. How many people do you know think that the words "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution or the 1st Amendment?

Many would think it is and they'd all be wrong. Funny how when people keep saying something, even if it's false, it gets some credence.

Not sure how that answers my question. We have in our history, an attempt to leave the nation and federal troops stopping it by force.

[Hal-9000]

Because people were fed lies and misinformation.

Think about this. How many people do you know think that the words "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution or the 1st Amendment?

Many would think it is and they'd all be wrong. Funny how when people keep saying something, even if it's false, it gets some credence.

fook me ACID TRIP, half the people in your country under 40 think that Titanic was just a movie, not an event :lol:

they'd never know what's contained in the Constitution...

[Acid Trip]

Not sure how that answers my question. We have in our history, an attempt to leave the nation and federal troops stopping it by force.

The South fired the first shot. What was the North supposed to do? It wasn't a peaceful succession like the one being proposed here.

Would Lincoln have convinced the Army to attack the South if the South hadn't fired the first shot? We'll never know.

The two situations, while similar, are vastly different.

[DemonGeminiX]

Considering Texas has 25 million + residents and only 100,000+ (and not all from Texas, mind you) signed that petition, I'd say that there's a pretty good chance that secession isn't the popular option in the state.

[Acid Trip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhQ31b_dbnM&feature=player_embedded#!