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Teh One Who Knocks
04-16-2011, 01:01 PM
By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press


WASHINGTON – Launching a week devoted to selling his deficit-reduction plan, President Barack Obama on Saturday drew sharp contrasts with a House Republican budget that he says offers a vision that "is wrong for America."

In his weekly radio and Internet address, Obama charged Republicans with seeking to dismantle venerable safety net programs and choosing tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of students paying for college or older adults on Medicare.

"To restore fiscal responsibility, we all need to share in the sacrifice - but we don't have to sacrifice the America we believe in," Obama said.

The criticism echoed his speech Wednesday in which he unveiled a $4 trillion deficit-reduction plan over 12 years, a goal he says he can achieve with a blend of spending cuts, changes in major government health care programs and tax increases.

Obama's message represents his clearest attempt to place ideological distance with Republicans after months spent negotiating a compromise six-month spending bill that trimmed more than $38 billion from the government. Obama signed that legislation Friday.

Obama plans to continue his plan's pitch throughout the week, holding town halls in Northern Virginia Tuesday and in Palo Alto, Calif,, and Reno, Nev., later in the week during a Western tour that includes at least two Democratic Party fundraisers.

While trying to cast the debate in his own terms, the president's attention to fiscal discipline signals a watershed in national politics. After two years devoted to priming an anemic economy with new spending and passing an overhaul of health care, Congress and the White House are beginning a debate about how to tame long-term deficits and a crushing debt of more than $14 trillion.

In the Republicans' weekly address, Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma called that turning point "a monumental shift for Washington."

Still, Obama predicted in an interview with The Associated Press on Friday that fundamental questions about how to change giant benefit programs like Medicare and Medicaid or how to change the tax system might have to wait until after the 2012 presidential elections.

He conceded, however, that he would have to offer spending cuts to win votes in the Republican-controlled House for an increase in the debt limit. The debt will hit its ceiling of $14.3 trillion by mid-May, and administration officials say the cap must be raised by no later than early July.

And while Obama, in the interview, predicted a "smart compromise," his address Saturday left little room for common ground with the House Republican budget. That plan, approved by the House Friday, would reduce deficits by $4 trillion over the next 10 years. It would extend Bush-era tax cuts at all income levels, repeal Obama's health care law and overhaul of Medicare by providing future retirees a voucher-style federal payment to purchase coverage from private plans.

"It's a vision that says that in order to reduce the deficit, we have to end Medicare as we know it and make cuts to Medicaid that would leave millions of seniors, poor children and Americans with disabilities without the care they need," Obama said.

Obama has adopted a sharper, partisan tone since announced his re-election bid more than a week ago.

Coburn said Obama's sharp critique of the House Republican budget amounted to "campaign-style political attacks."

"Instead of describing the threat and bringing both sides together, the president attacked those who have a different vision of the government," he said.

Coburn is one of a bipartisan group of six senators working to find a compromise on long-term deficit reduction. The group has not tipped its hand as its members continue to seek common ground. They have not set a timeline for achieving a compromise.

Coburn, however, praised the House Republican Medicare proposal, suggesting that the so-called Gang of Six may still have a long way to go before reaching a compromise.

FBD
04-16-2011, 03:22 PM
"It's a vision that says that in order to reduce the deficit, we have to end Medicare as we know it and make cuts to Medicaid that would leave millions of seniors, poor children and Americans with disabilities without the care they need," Obama said.

I simply do not expect Obama to speak the truth. Ever.

So what's worse...

implementing Vouchers, letting a private market rise up and correct costs, and give these people X amount towards finding a policy that's tailored well to their needs...

Or,

letting the ridiculous costs of Obamacare continue to increase overall healthcare costs, the cost-correction of the currently over-inflated prices never disappears (we all know that O'care is going to make that aspect worse) and the government rations Medicare?


Either way, people on Medicare are going to wind up with a finite amount of money to utilize towards this. If they dont like the plan they have under a privatized system, they can take their business elsewhere. If we get single payer O'shitty'care, tough titties folks, that's all that's available and we basically have no recourse for an alternative!!!!

Deepsepia
04-16-2011, 05:08 PM
Well the problem with Obama's criticism is that until the day before yesterday he didn't have a budget vision.

His criticisms of Ryan's plan are in some cases fair, in some cases off base, but he loses points for having stiff armed not one but two bipartisan budget commisions
(Simpson Bowles and Rivlin Domenici).

As Christina Romer pointed out, "you don't beat a plan with no plan"

As to the voucher idea, its a bit amusing to hear Ryan try to explain how his guaranteed private health insurance market differs from the Obamacare health insurance exchanges . . . because it doesn't. Its almost exactly the same idea that the Republicans were denouncing last summer

Teh One Who Knocks
04-16-2011, 05:59 PM
Well the problem with Obama's criticism is that until the day before yesterday he didn't have a budget vision.

And that's what is disingenuous about his criticism. His original budget proposal did nothing to address the financial mess our country is in. He waited until Paul Ryan put forth his budget before he decided that maybe he needed to adjust his plan. He's the President of the United States ffs, his job is to lead, not to just stand there and fiddle while Rome burns.

Loser
04-16-2011, 09:49 PM
"To restore fiscal responsibility, the inept, asinine, and lazy motherfuckers need to share in the sacrifice - so we have to sacrifice the America I, and many other leeching assholes believe in," Obama said.




FIXED!

FBD
04-17-2011, 05:15 AM
Well the problem with Obama's criticism is that until the day before yesterday he didn't have a budget vision.

His criticisms of Ryan's plan are in some cases fair, in some cases off base, but he loses points for having stiff armed not one but two bipartisan budget commisions
(Simpson Bowles and Rivlin Domenici).

As Christina Romer pointed out, "you don't beat a plan with no plan"

As to the voucher idea, its a bit amusing to hear Ryan try to explain how his guaranteed private health insurance market differs from the Obamacare health insurance exchanges . . . because it doesn't. Its almost exactly the same idea that the Republicans were denouncing last summer

yeah, one teensy tiny little difference....a fair market price vs. endless 3rd party payer systems where real price is obscured and some are taking heavily while others pay heavily. let true true value be reflected in prices and you fix the biggest problem of all, the price creep, which is especially prevalent and heavily abused with 3rd party payer systems.

FBD
04-19-2011, 07:01 PM
What's really wrong is including an automatic tax hike provision in your budget that says if politicians spend too much, taxes will increase automatically, no congress even required!

http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/obamas-tax-increase-trigger-punishing-taxpayers-with-automatic-tax-hikes-when-politicians-overspend/
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Responding to widespread criticism of his AWOL status on the budget fight, President Obama today unveiled a fiscal plan. It already is being criticized for its class warfare approach to tax policy, but the most disturbing feature may be a provision that punishes the American people with higher taxes if politicians overspend.

[b]Called a “debt failsafe trigger,” Obama’s scheme would automatically raise taxes if politicians spend too much. According to the talking points distributed by the White House, the automatic tax increase would take effect “if, by 2014, the projected ratio of debt-to-GDP is not stabilized and declining toward the end of the decade.”[b]

Let’s ponder what this means. If politicians in Washington spend too much and cause more red ink, which happens on a routine basis, Obama wants a provision that automatically would raise taxes on the American people.
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Sounds like yet another end-run around checks & balances to me.

PorkChopSandwiches
04-19-2011, 07:09 PM
Everything is fine as it is, lets just continue to hemorrhage money until we are so far in debt our entire country collapses on itself. Then we will have the luxury of rioting in the streets for food, which also wont be there since we outsourced all the production. :thumbsup:

Acid Trip
04-19-2011, 08:09 PM
They should make it so that if debt isn't under control by 2014 all elected officials lose their job (no retirement package either) and can't be re-elected (banned from politics).

I bet they'd have a balanced budget in a matter of weeks under those stipulations.

PorkChopSandwiches
04-19-2011, 08:21 PM
They should make it so that if debt isn't under control by 2014 all elected officials lose their job (no retirement package either) and can't be re-elected (banned from politics).

I bet they'd have a balanced budget in a matter of weeks under those stipulations.

I like it.

FBD
04-20-2011, 06:55 PM
Its an information war - you can either believe people like Obama who have every interest in portraying a picture, or you can believe somebody who tells it like it is and doesnt rely on a bunch of promises for gifts to get elected.

Funny article I read recently, called "the real suicide bombers" or something like that...and the real ones? Western Democracies...legislating and gifting and taxing themselves into politically correct decline.

Its like...what often kills those large top of the food chain beasts? A parasite or some such, taking it down from the inside.