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Acid Trip
12-18-2012, 03:29 PM
If you are a Instagram user you may want to delete your account before January rolls around.

http://i.imgur.com/DwRuI.jpg

Instagram said today that it has the perpetual right to sell users' photographs without payment or notification, a dramatic policy shift that quickly sparked a public outcry.

The new intellectual property policy, which takes effect on January 16, comes three months after Facebook completed its acquisition of the popular photo-sharing site. Unless Instagram users delete their accounts before the January deadline, they cannot opt out.

Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization, including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform the Web site into the world's largest stock photo agency. One irked Twitter user quipped that "Instagram is now the new iStockPhoto, except they won't have to pay you anything to use your images."

"It's asking people to agree to unspecified future commercial use of their photos," says Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "That makes it challenging for someone to give informed consent to that deal."

That means that a hotel in Hawaii, for instance, could write a check to Facebook to license photos taken at its resort and use them on its Web site, in TV ads, in glossy brochures, and so on -- without paying any money to the Instagram user who took the photo. The language would include not only photos of picturesque sunsets on Waikiki, but also images of young children frolicking on the beach, a result that parents might not expect, and which could trigger state privacy laws.

Facebook did not respond to repeated queries from CNET this afternoon. We'll update the article if we receive a response.

Another policy pitfall: If Instagram users continue to upload photos after January 16, 2013, and subsequently delete their account after the deadline, they may have granted Facebook an irrevocable right to sell those images in perpetuity. There's no obvious language that says deleting an account terminates Facebook's rights, EFF's Opsahl said.

Facebook's new rights to sell Instagram users' photos come from two additions to its terms of use policy. One section deletes the current phrase "limited license" and, by inserting the words "transferable" and "sub-licensable," allows Facebook to license users' photos to any other organization.

A second section allows Facebook to charge money. It says that "a business or other entity may pay us to display your... photos... in connection with paid or sponsored content or promotions, without any compensation to you." That language does not exist in the current terms of use.

Google's policy, by contrast, is far narrower and does not permit the company to sell photographs uploaded through Picasa or Google+. Its policy generally tracks the soon-to-be-replaced Instagram policy by saying: "The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our services." Yahoo's policies service for Flickr are similar, saying the company can use the images "solely for the purpose for which such content was submitted or made available."

Reginald Braithwaite, an author and software developer, posted a tongue-in-cheek "translation" of the new Instagram policy today: "You are not our customers, you are the cattle we drive to market and auction off to the highest bidder. Enjoy your feed and keep producing the milk."

One Instagram user dubbed the policy change "Instagram's suicide note." The PopPhoto.com photography site summarized the situation by saying: "The service itself is still a fun one, but that's a lot of red marks that have shown up over the past couple weeks. Many shooters -- even the casual ones -- probably aren't that excited to have a giant corporation out there selling their photos without being paid or even notified about it."

Another unusual addition to Instagram's new policy appears to immunize it from liability, such as class action lawsuits, if it makes supposedly private photos public. The language stresses, twice in the same paragraph, that "we will not be liable for any use or disclosure of content" and "Instagram will not be liable for any use or disclosure of any content you provide."

Yet another addition says "you acknowledge that we may not always identify paid services, sponsored content, or commercial communications as such." That appears to conflict with the Federal Trade Commission's guidelines that say advertisements should be listed as advertisements.

Such sweeping intellectual property language has been invoked before: In 1999, Yahoo claimed all rights to Geocities using language strikingly similar to Facebook's wording today, including the "non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right" to do what it wanted with its users' text and photos. But in the face of widespread protest -- and competitors advertising that their own products were free from such Draconian terms -- Yahoo backed down about a week later.

It's true, of course, that Facebook may not intend to monetize the photos taken by Instagram users, and that lawyers often draft overly broad language to permit future business opportunities that may never arise. But on the other hand, there's no obvious language that would prohibit Facebook from taking those steps, and the company's silence in the face of questions today hasn't helped.

EFF's Opsahl says the new policy runs afoul of his group's voluntary best practices for social networks. He added: "Hopefully at some point we'll get greater clarity from Facebook and Instagram."

Teh One Who Knocks
12-18-2012, 03:38 PM
Suckers :dance:

RBP
12-18-2012, 03:39 PM
No more free cleavage pictures?

Muddy
12-18-2012, 04:38 PM
I have it, but have never used it..

Leefro
12-18-2012, 04:43 PM
I don't have it

PorkChopSandwiches
12-18-2012, 04:57 PM
I had sex on VHS

Muddy
12-18-2012, 04:58 PM
I had sex yesterday on bed.

Leefro
12-18-2012, 05:08 PM
I had sex yesterday on bed.

Don't put the picture in Instagram else they will sell it for 50p

Muddy
12-18-2012, 05:11 PM
I'll sell them for some reefer cigarettes.

PorkChopSandwiches
12-18-2012, 05:31 PM
And a hit of crack

Leefro
12-18-2012, 05:36 PM
50p not 50 quid

PorkChopSandwiches
12-18-2012, 05:56 PM
50 pints

Leefro
12-18-2012, 06:05 PM
Of spunk ?

PorkChopSandwiches
12-18-2012, 06:06 PM
:horseload:

Leefro
12-18-2012, 06:07 PM
You could collect it a jar instead of on your Curtains

Hal-9000
12-18-2012, 06:27 PM
:lol: thread of win

PorkChopSandwiches
12-18-2012, 06:45 PM
You could collect it a jar instead of on your Curtains

I like it all over my carpet

Hal-9000
12-18-2012, 06:50 PM
I like to jizz on the neighbor's dog...it's quite the challenge because he moves so quickly.

I think the owner is on to me though. She now calls him Spunky, instead of Sparky :)

PorkChopSandwiches
12-18-2012, 06:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=J4QcnrzX9G0#t=139s

start at 2:20

:tup:

Godfather
12-19-2012, 05:28 AM
So of teens sending dirty pictures to each other constitutes child pornography... And Instagram claims ownership of pictures uploaded... Doesn't that make them a massive distributor of kiddie porn?

RBP
12-19-2012, 06:36 AM
So of teens sending dirty pictures to each other constitutes child pornography... And Instagram claims ownership of pictures uploaded... Doesn't that make them a massive distributor of kiddie porn?

Very good point!

samarchepas
12-19-2012, 09:00 AM
So of teens sending dirty pictures to each other constitutes child pornography... And Instagram claims ownership of pictures uploaded... Doesn't that make them a massive distributor of kiddie porn?
Technically....I would assume that it would. It won't last though...a Lot of people are deleting their accounts since they know about the whole thing, if they don't change it back to what it was, people will just move on to something else. (Same goes for Facebook...who owns Instagram)

Leefro
12-19-2012, 03:28 PM
Instagram has responded to today’s outrage over its Terms of Service updates, attempting to clarify the concerns of its users. “To be clear,” says Instagram co-founder Kevin Systrom, “it is not our intention to sell your photos. We are working on updated language in the terms to make sure this is clear.”

The point about selling images ended up being a major component of the outrage, as users were understandably irritated that Instagram felt it could do just that to advertisers. As I pointed out on Twitter and others did via well-written blog posts, Instagram’s TOS did not give it the ability to do this.

Systrom acknowledges that the language is confusing, and says that this is Instagram’s mistake.

Another major concern for users was whether their photos could show up as an ad or inside an ad. No, says Systrom. “The language we proposed also raised question about whether your photos can be part of an advertisement,” he says. “We do not have plans for anything like this and because of that we’re going to remove the language that raised the question.”

In the end, people were upset about their photos being appropriated for use in advertising without their consent or knowledge. Imagine this Taco Bell ad with your photos in it, without your knowledge

Instead, Systrom says, the changes in the TOS were about allowing Instagram to experiment with advertising types that would allow it to monetize the service without filling your stream with crappy ads.

This was always the logical conclusion to be drawn, but the speculation caused by Instagram’s poor choice of language is only its fault in the end.

“…we want to create meaningful ways to help you discover new and interesting accounts and content while building a self-sustaining business at the same time,” says Systrom, also addressing the fact that many have questioned how exactly Instagram plans to become a profitable ongoing business.

Instead, says Systrom, the usage terminology was included in order to ‘match’ you with promoted ads and accounts:

Let’s say a business wanted to promote their account to gain more followers and Instagram was able to feature them in some way. In order to help make a more relevant and useful promotion, it would be helpful to see which of the people you follow also follow this business. In this way, some of the data you produce — like the actions you take (eg, following the account) and your profile photo — might show up if you are following this business.

That’s very similar to the way that Google matches you with an ad or Facebook does with a promoted post. The fact that those ads might in face just be photographs taken by a business account means that it might, by its very nature ‘not be disclosed’ as an ad.

Systrom also says that the ownership rights of images remain with users. Instagram does not claim any ownership and never has. Private users can also rest assured that only users that follow them can see private photos.

You can read the whole post here, and I suggest that you do so if you’re an Instagram user that has been concerned about the changes.

Note, however, that this does not change the fact that Instagram is a free service, and the currently popular models for free services include using the data created or owned by its users to make money. So, you own your photos, and Instagram will not (and can not) sell them, but you should be aware of the economic realities of the situation when it comes to services like this. And that includes Facebook, Twitter, any Google service and more.

It pays to be educated and vigilant, but not hyperbolic, about the terms under which you use services. And, more importantly, to be honest with yourself about the fact that you’re always paying somehow, even if it isn’t with money.

Hugh_Janus
12-19-2012, 08:33 PM
a poor choice in language.... :rofl:

Acid Trip
12-19-2012, 08:59 PM
a poor choice in language.... :rofl:

Dammit boys we've been caught! Blame the lawyers for confusing language like we discussed.

Teh One Who Knocks
12-21-2012, 06:02 PM
http://i.imgur.com/sYNtQ.jpg?1

Acid Trip
12-21-2012, 06:10 PM
http://i.imgur.com/sYNtQ.jpg?1

Except the photos were to be sold for profit. People that share music are doing just that, sharing. It'd be different if they got the songs, burned them to disk, and then started selling them on the corner.

Guy thought he was being witty and instead showed us how dumb he really is.