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Teh One Who Knocks
12-19-2012, 07:49 PM
By Alex Perez and Matthew Jaffe - ABC News


While schools across America reassess their security measures in the wake of the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., one school outside of Chicago takes safety to a whole new level.

The security measures at Middleton Elementary School start the moment you set foot on campus, with a camera-equipped doorbell. When you ring the doorbell, school employees inside are immediately able to see you, both through a window and on a security camera.

“They can assess your demeanor,” Kate Donegan, the superintendent of Skokie School District 73 ˝, said in an interview with ABC News.

Once the employees let you through the first set of doors, you are only able to go as far as a vestibule. There you hand over your ID so the school can run a quick background check using a visitor management system devised by Raptor Technologies. According to the company’s CEO, Jim Vesterman, only 8,000 schools in the country are using that system, while more than 100,000 continue to use the old-fashioned pen-and-paper system, which do not do as much to drive away unwanted intruders.

“Each element that you add is a deterrent,” Vesterman said.

In the wake of the Newtown shooting, Vesterman told ABC News his company has been “flooded” with calls to put in place the new system. Back at Middleton, if you pass the background check, you are given a new photo ID — attached to a bright orange lanyard — to wear the entire time you are inside the school. Even parents who come to the school on a daily basis still have to wear the lanyard.

“The rules apply to everyone,” Donegan said.

The security measures don’t end there. Once you don your lanyard and pass through a second set of locked doors, you enter the school’s main hallway, while security cameras continue to feed live video back into the front office.

It all comes at a cost. Donegan’s school district — with the help of security consultant Paul Timm of RETA Security — has spent more than $175,000 on the system in the last two years. For a district of only three schools and 1100 students, that is a lot of money, but it is all worth it, she said.

“I don’t know that there’s too big a pricetag to put on kids being as safe as they can be,” Donegan said.

“So often we hear we can’t afford it, but what we can’t afford is another terrible incident,” Timm said.

Classroom doors open inward — not outward — and lock from the inside, providing teachers and students security if an intruder is in the hallway. Some employees carry digital two-way radios, enabling them to communicate at all times with the push of a button. Administrators such as Donegan are able to watch the school’s security video on their mobile devices. Barricades line the edge of the school’s parking lot, keeping cars from pulling up close to the entrance.

Teachers say all the security makes them feel safe inside the school.

“I think the most important thing is just keeping the kids safe,” fourth-grade teacher Dara Sacher said.

Parents like Charlene Abraham, whose son Matthew attends Middleton, say they feel better about dropping off their kids knowing the school has such substantial security measures in place.

“We’re sending our kids to school to learn, not to worry about whether they’re going to come home or not,” she said.

In the wake of the horrific shooting at Sandy Hook last Friday, Donegan’s district is now even looking into installing bullet-resistant glass for the school building. While Middleton’s security measures continue to put administrators, teachers, parents and students at ease, Sacher said she thinks that more extreme measures — such as arming teachers, an idea pushed by Oregon state Rep. Dennis Richardson — are a step too far.

“I wouldn’t feel comfortable being armed,” Sacher said. “Even if you trained people, I think it’d be better to keep the guns out of school rather than arm teachers.”

PorkChopSandwiches
12-19-2012, 07:54 PM
Or allow the teachers to wear their gun, but I do feel safer knowing they have two way radios :lol:

Goofy
12-19-2012, 08:16 PM
Or allow the teachers to wear their gun, but I do feel safer knowing they have two way radios :lol:

Daft idea, all it would take is one out of control pupil (or a teacher thats been put 'over the edge' by some asshole student) to grab it and you have more shootings. Guns should be nowhere near schools at all full stop.

Obviously my views are going to be different to most Americans since our gun laws are completely different........ but i would not be comfortable at all sending a child of mine to a place where guns are present :)

Teh One Who Knocks
12-19-2012, 08:20 PM
I think if you polled teachers at most schools, there would be some willing to carry firearms. And if there are teachers that want to carry, then they should be required to pass a stricter background check (which I doubt they would have a problem with) and then take some kind of course similar to what police officers take (again, I doubt any teacher that wanted to carry for protection would have an issue with this).

Then you just keep the list secret so as Joe Crazyguy can't obtain it (like air marshalls on a plane) and I think it would be perfectly okay to have some armed teachers in school.

Acid Trip
12-19-2012, 09:10 PM
I think if you polled teachers at most schools, there would be some willing to carry firearms. And if there are teachers that want to carry, then they should be required to pass a stricter background check (which I doubt they would have a problem with) and then take some kind of course similar to what police officers take (again, I doubt any teacher that wanted to carry for protection would have an issue with this).

Then you just keep the list secret so as Joe Crazyguy can't obtain it (like air marshalls on a plane) and I think it would be perfectly okay to have some armed teachers in school.

They could use biometric locks to keep the weapons safe and out student hands.

http://i.imgur.com/GRO0U.jpg

Some of the newer pistols have biometrics built into the gun. It won't fire unless the owner is holding it. I'm not sure if any are in full production but it's not far away.

redred
12-19-2012, 09:34 PM
Daft idea, all it would take is one out of control pupil (or a teacher thats been put 'over the edge' by some asshole student) to grab it and you have more shootings. Guns should be nowhere near schools at all full stop.

Obviously my views are going to be different to most Americans since our gun laws are completely different........ but i would not be comfortable at all sending a child of mine to a place where guns are present :)

Agree with you goof guns and school should be kept well apart

Lambchop
12-19-2012, 09:58 PM
Daft idea, all it would take is one out of control pupil (or a teacher thats been put 'over the edge' by some asshole student) to grab it and you have more shootings. Guns should be nowhere near schools at all full stop.

Obviously my views are going to be different to most Americans since our gun laws are completely different........ but i would not be comfortable at all sending a child of mine to a place where guns are present :)
It would certainly increase pupil obedience.

''John, come and write the answer on the board, or I'll shoot you in the kneecap''

''Yes Mrs. Glock''

Hal-9000
12-19-2012, 10:09 PM
Daft idea, all it would take is one out of control pupil (or a teacher thats been put 'over the edge' by some asshole student) to grab it and you have more shootings. Guns should be nowhere near schools at all full stop.

Obviously my views are going to be different to most Americans since our gun laws are completely different........ but i would not be comfortable at all sending a child of mine to a place where guns are present :)


I think if you polled teachers at most schools, there would be some willing to carry firearms. And if there are teachers that want to carry, then they should be required to pass a stricter background check (which I doubt they would have a problem with) and then take some kind of course similar to what police officers take (again, I doubt any teacher that wanted to carry for protection would have an issue with this).

Then you just keep the list secret so as Joe Crazyguy can't obtain it (like air marshalls on a plane) and I think it would be perfectly okay to have some armed teachers in school.


I agree with Goof...introducing the weapon to the environment is escalating the potential trouble scenario. Also, even if the teachers are trained and don't mind carrying firearms, you're leaving too much interpretation in a civilian's hands.

alternative? Hire security dudes that can and will use a weapon appropriately? Extra costs I know but we gotta keep them kids safe and alive.

PorkChopSandwiches
12-19-2012, 10:26 PM
I love the blindness to the situation

Richard Cranium
12-19-2012, 11:02 PM
Somebody should make a law making schools "gun free zones" problem magically solved... no more scary guns!

Lambchop
12-19-2012, 11:13 PM
Just teach the kids how to load, fire & clean a handgun as part of the school curriculum. The teacher might be outnumbered in a situation and having 20 armed kids in a room will ensure complete safety from an intruder. I'm sure a manufacturer would be willing to create a firearm designed for small hands.

Hal-9000
12-19-2012, 11:15 PM
the sarcasm is getting thick in here...


*opens window*

Richard Cranium
12-19-2012, 11:25 PM
the sarcasm is getting thick in here...


*opens window*

Upstairs or downstairs window??

Lambchop
12-19-2012, 11:28 PM
1 teacher per room. 2 shooters enter the room. Teacher shoots the first guy but the second guy takes the teacher out. Who's left in the room to defend the kids? Kids still die. Problem not solved. That's just an optimistic outcome because in most cases the teacher would be far too busy teaching the kids which would give the intruders the advantage.

You need guys ready at the entrance with guns and metal detectors, whose main purpose is to defend the children and prevent the intruders from getting through. Additionally, the guards would have the advantage because it is their job to foresee and plan for events such as these.

Hal-9000
12-19-2012, 11:31 PM
give every child in that class a taser with a 50 foot lead....someone will get the bad guy


hopefully about 30 of them at once

Hal-9000
12-19-2012, 11:32 PM
Upstairs or downstairs window??

where are you sitting right now? it was wafting from your direction too


*pewie*

Richard Cranium
12-19-2012, 11:36 PM
pew tinky

Southern Belle
12-20-2012, 03:44 AM
You can present every scenario that could ever happen in a school here.
But the one that is likely to happen happened last week.
So wouldn't you rather the school officials be armed ffs? At least some of them?
That guy could have been put down by just one person. That one person might not have prevented all the murders but could have prevented some.