NRA calls for armed police officer in every school

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By PHILIP ELLIOTT | Associated Press


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WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation's largest gun-rights lobby called Friday for armed police officers to be posted in every American school to stop the next killer "waiting in the wings."

The National Rifle Association broke its silence on last week's shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that left 26 children and staff dead.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the group's top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference.

LaPierre said "the next Adam Lanza," the man responsible for last week's mayhem, is planning an attack on another school.

"How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave, while provoking others to try to make their mark," LaPierre said. "A dozen more killers, a hundred more? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?"

He blamed video games, movies and music videos for exposing children to a violent culture day in and day out. "In a race to the bottom, many conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate, and offend every standard of civilized society, by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty right into our homes," LaPierre said.

He refused to take any questions after speaking. Though security was tight, two protesters were able to interrupt LaPierre's speech, holding up signs that blamed the NRA for killing children. Both were escorted out, shouting that guns in schools are not the answer.

LaPierre announced that former Rep. Asa Hutchison, R-Ark., will lead an NRA program that will develop a model security plan for schools that relies on armed volunteers.

The 4.3 million-member NRA largely disappeared from public debate after the shootings in Newtown, Conn., choosing atypical silence as a strategy as the nation sought answers after the rampage. The NRA temporarily took down its Facebook page and kept quiet on Twitter.

Since the slayings, President Barack Obama has demanded "real action, right now" against U.S. gun violence and called on the NRA to join the effort. Moving quickly after several congressional gun-rights supporters said they would consider new legislation to control firearms, the president said this week he wants proposals to reduce gun violence that he can take to Congress by January.

Obama has already asked Congress to reinstate an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and pass legislation that would stop people from purchasing firearms from private sellers without a background check. Obama also has indicated he wants Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity magazines.

[redred]

He blamed video games, movies and music videos for exposing children to a violent culture day in and day out.

isn't walking pass someone with a gun everyday at school exposing them to a violent culture?

[Loser]

isn't walking pass someone with a gun everyday at school exposing them to a violent culture?

Red, they were doing this when I went to school 12 years ago.

The highschool I went to had police and metal detectors in it, the police department was directly across the street.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

isn't walking pass someone with a gun everyday at school exposing them to a violent culture?

Not if the person with the gun is a police officer...kids should be taught from an extremely young age that police officers are the good guys.

[redred]

.kids should be taught from an extremely young age that police officers are the good guys.

should be, but often are told the opposite by stupid parents

[Teh One Who Knocks]

should be, but often are told the opposite by stupid parents

Sad, but true

[Hal-9000]

I play violent video games (my fave genre actually) and watch violent videos.....and that sort of real life violence makes me sick...


:-s

[Hal-9000]

If we don't have to read about any more 7 year old children getting shot randomly, then I fully support this measure.

[Lambchop]

=> Complains that violent video games and films lead to killings
=> Part of an organization that promotes and supports killing animals for fun

LOLolOLROFL1!!!

[Leefro]

I love the blame culture

[Acid Trip]

=> Complains that violent video games and films lead to killings
=> Part of an organization that promotes and supports killing animals for fun

LOLolOLROFL1!!!

:bs:

[Lambchop]

Nah, they've got a whole section on their website dedicated to hunting.

: When it comes to hunting and skills training, America's 13.7 million hunters have known for years where to go: The NRA.

[Acid Trip]

Nah, they've got a whole section on their website dedicated to hunting.

Hunters hunt so they can eat what they kill. Anyone who kills animals without eating them is not a hunter.

[Lambchop]

Polar bears, mountain lions, forest cougars & wolves for dinner? Seems like trophy hunting to me.

http://www.nraoutdoors.com/

Edit: they also advertise booking with a partner company to hunt elephants, rhinos, leopards and lions in South Africa. 'Africa - Big Five' option.

[Loser]

So many vegans in this thread I never knew about :roll:

[Leefro]

So many vegans in this thread I never knew about :roll:

Have you tried elephant ?

Tough aye the word

[Hal-9000]

So many vegans in this thread I never knew about :roll:

:rofl:

oh yes...and if idiot trophy hunters didn't have guns we could NEVER get hamburger and chicken from Safeway and Costco, because they contribute SO much to domestic food needs

[Lambchop]

I tried to book a bald eagle hunting holiday with them but the woman on the phone seemed angry and hung up on me. WTF, I was gonna eat it.

[Hal-9000]

I need a gun to hunt Bengal tigers....because they is good eatin :tup: hyuk, hyuk...

[Griffin]

I have a quite a few guns and really enjoy getting out in the woods to hunt.
I'm not out there for the kill but rather to study their habits, read their tracks and trails to determine where they might be so I can be there waiting.

You guys go ahead, bash and make fun of these "ranches" set up for animal slaughter because they do nothing to instill favor for the sport the NRA claims to be supporting.

[Godfather]

This is the plot of Kindergarten Cop! Great movie. I agree with lance and loser though. Cops being a regular presence around kids is good and normal. I can't see this plan as necessary or viable in every small town elementary school across the country though?

The only thing that caught my attention about the NRA statement I caught part of on the radio this morning, was the NRA pointing fingers at video games. If guns don't kill people, people do applies, the sentiment rings true about video games too.

[Godfather]

Someone posted this on Reddit today and it got a looot of attention

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**All they had to do was say "we believe gun policy should be determined by facts, research, past experience and social science, instead of knee-jerk, emotional reactions."**

Instead they just rambled on about nonsensical boogy-man security issues, blaming video games and movies (literally - they did this), pornography, and Mortal Kombat.

As a gun owner and freedom advocate, I am disappointed in them. Like always.

**EDIT:**
Since this is gaining popularity, I'll add this: The message they delivered was so fucking pathetic for so many reasons I wanted to puke. As an organization, they should have had this speech written years ago, and only needed to fill in the blanks. You can tell this was a 3:00 AM "oh shit that's due tomorrow?" type of thing.

The most laughable part is how they took exactly 0 steps to convince the middle ground, which should have been their target audience. Those who disagree with them will always disagree, those who agree will agree, and they alienated the middle people by talking about Mortal Kombat and pron.


Mortal Kombat didn't even have any guns in it. Or schools.

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, what a disaster.

**Edit 2:**

A lot of people have been asking me what I think would help slow gun violence.

If we wanted to curb gun violence, there would be no better way than to focus our attention of fixing everything that goes into kids who grow up to join gangs and shoot people; pay teachers more, fund better schools, easier access to colleges, you know - the things that make people better in general. The gun crime would go significantly down. I can guarantee that.

[samarchepas]

Blaming Video games,movies and rock music...for the last 30 years :lol:
The problem here is that a psycho got access to something he should NOT have in the first place:http://i50.tinypic.com/1icsjo.jpg
Having a weapon for protection? sure...but assault rifles should not be for the public
And about the NRA, that whole speech they gave was just a way to save themselves (And their guns)
Police officer at schools? sure but does it REALLY fix the problem? nope it doesn't...unless you put some in every public areas! If someone at your workplace just snaps and decides to go on a rampage there, same thing happens.

[Griffin]

...but assault rifles should not be for the public

I have one of these that I hunt with and for target/plinking shooting.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-s5Xua3T1Eyw/UAzwmfPhmNI/AAAAAAAADBY/nKxzA8K0ggQ/s1600/RugerMini14.jpg

They both shoot the same ammo, both are semi-auto, and both are capable of high capacity magazines.

Why is one considered an assault rifle?

[DemonGeminiX]

You give people way too much credit. Movies, music, TV shows, and games could potentially influence people, especially if they're mentally incompetent and/or exposed to these things constantly from a young age and not taught that it's not real.

And the fault lies with mental illness issues, like, why wasn't he being monitored by a psychiatric professional, since he so clearly needed one?

Other people's problems are that they're being raised to believe they can do whatever they want, that there's no consequences to their actions, that the world should revolve around them... and that's not true at all for anyone. Shitty parenting. My little angel isn't capable of ever hurting another human being, my little angel's anger and or mental issues and social problems are just a phase, I can't believe my son grew up to be a spree killer, he was such a little angel when he was younger, except for the odd tantrum every other day.

People who are perfectly fine with any type of gun will be perfectly fine with an assault rifle. For every person who goes nuts with any gun, there's about 500000 that won't.

I've always been an advocate of tighter security at schools. I've always noted that anyone and their mother could walk on any campus at any time unchallenged even though they don't belong there. I've had to deal with it in college and I've seen administration deal with it back at my high school. And despite your belief that an armed guard might not deter anything, I contest that it will. The appearance of security is all you need to deter someone. If a thief is roaming a neighborhood looking for a house to break into, he's more than likely going to skip the house with the guy sitting on his porch that's holding a 12-gauge shotgun in his hands. Anyone with half a brain will more than likely skip that entire neighborhood. And for the person crazy enough not to be deterred, an armed person will be able to respond more quickly to deal with the unfortunate situation that arises.

[Godfather]

I agree DGX almost entirely. The o ly thing id argue is that violent tv and games could have an influence, but no more so than guns themselves as an image in our society. Guns are fetishized a great deal too and you can make the same case for blaming them if you really want to. They're everywhere you look on every facet of entertainment and books and media. Everyone who has one is always looking cool and having a subconscious influence, just like playing Halo might. Thats if you really believe that these kinds of things in society that SO many of us enjoy, is making killers.... Which I certainly do not. I think healthy people can handle an assault rifle and Call of Duty and enjoy their hobbies as normal people.

It's bs to blame any of those things. In this recent shooting, I don't understand how you can point blame at hardly anything or anyone before the mother who knew her son was deeply disturbed and did nothing to keep her weapons away from him

[Godfather]

By the way... There was a full time armed cop at Columbine who confronted the two kids. He even got off a few shots but failed to stop anything. I'm not convinced an armed presence on every corner is the entire solution

[Acid Trip]

Polar bears, mountain lions, forest cougars & wolves for dinner? Seems like trophy hunting to me.

http://www.nraoutdoors.com/

Edit: they also advertise booking with a partner company to hunt elephants, rhinos, leopards and lions in South Africa. 'Africa - Big Five' option.

So because a handful of NRA members are murderous douche-bags (aka trophy hunters) you paint the entire organization with that same brush? Surely you aren't that stupid.

[Shady]

I disagree with this. Its the simple fact that the deranged criminals who have committed these random and senseless acts of violence, do so randomly and senselessly. Many of these acts are committed with little or no even reasonable explanation. At what point is a single LEO going to deter a maniac from doing whatever it is he has decided to do. Look at the college shootings over the past few years. Colleges have police forces, not just a single officer and that didn't stop these rampages.

[Loser]

I find it sadly hypocritical that ALL politicians children go to schools where they have armed guards, but when this is brought up, people throw a hissy.

Talk about class division.:rolleyes:

I say if it's good for the presidents and politicians children, then it's good for the rest.

I'm sure the anti gun trolls will come out in droves, but below is well worth a read.


Can We Apply Israeli Principles and Proactively Protect our Loved Ones? (http://www.itstactical.com/intellicom/mindset/can-we-apply-israeli-principles-and-proactively-protect-our-loved-ones/)
The recent Colorado and Connecticut shootings unfortunately show that with all the trust that comes from having the wonderful freedom we enjoy in this country, comes the ugly side of people too.

Having lived in Israel for two decades and serving in the IDF for half that time, offers me the opportunity to describe to you today how Israel protects its schools, malls and all public places from that ugly side.

Israel lives under the constant threat of suicide bombers. Terrorists coming from the West Bank and Gaza try all the time to get in a school, bus, or cafe and blow themselves up while taking women and children with them. Schools are a particular touchy subject in Israel. During the 60s and 70s, there were cases where terrorists from Lebanon infiltrated the border, entered a school and massacred the children and teachers. But Israel learned.

Today the security in and around learning institutions, from kindergarden to universities, is as good and in some cases better than the security of their government sites. These are defenseless children, these are students and teachers, these are the next generation of doctors, engineers and artists. It is imperative to protect them.

All public sites have an armed security guard posted in the entrance. The guards are trained, sometimes undergoing counterterrorism and profiling training as well. They know what to look for. They are aware of their surroundings. These guards check each and every person entering the offices, cafes and malls. They make people open their bags and in many cases they wave a portable metal detector around the person. People with guns (in Israel soldiers carry their rifles and other weapons with them at all times and having a civilian weapon permit means open carry) are required to present their soldier’s ID or weapons permit prior to being checked. If they don’t have it with them, then the police are called immediately and the offender might be held at gun point while it gets sorted out.

Schools

At schools, the security is all this and more. The school perimeter is secured with fences and a roving patrol. All the doors are guarded by a security guard and universities also have metal detectors. Any person without a student ID is doubled checked. No one is allowed inside a kindergarden or elementary school without a security guard or at least a trained member of the school staff accompanying the person.

http://www.itstactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IsraeliTeacher.jpg

Photo for illustrative purposes only, more info below.

This bring me to the next subject: the school staff. In Israel, everyone serves in the military. At least three years for the men and two for women. While not everyone serves on a combat unit, they all go through basic training. This includes weapons and firearms training; everyone knows how to shoot and handle firearms. When teachers take students for a field trip, they’re given a rifle to take with them. Often, they’re also accompanied by security personnel with a rifle, pistol and a standard medical kit. You don’t take any chances. Let me say it again, you DO NOT take any chances.

Now, Israel is a safe place, you can walk anywhere at any given time of the day or night. The problem we are trying to prevent there is terrorism.

The Israeli Model

Israel’s model is not a reaction-based model like the one in the US. The US reacts to threats after they’ve happened and implements mitigating controls. This works up to a point. Israel, on the other hand, invests a lot of resources on threat modeling, understanding their enemies, how they think, what might they do, what could the next attack look like and analyzes all possible ways to stop or deter them before they happen.

A good example of this is the airport security model. No, you don’t have to take off your shoes. No, you don’t have to throw away that water bottle. No, there isn’t a porn scanner.

Layers of Israeli Airport Security

Israel airport security is a preventive one and implemented in layers:

1st layer: The airport perimeter. Your car is stopped before entering the airport and an armed and trained (usually a former Special Operations member) will ask you a simple question. Based on different factors, or your answer, they might make you pull to the side for a car check.

2nd layer: Inside the airport (but outside the terminal.) Once you’re inside the airport, there are people randomly walking while checking everyone constantly. You don’t see them. Occasionally, they might stop you when you’re parked at the departure terminal or while you’re walking from the parking lot. Again, based on what you answer is to their questions, or some other factors, you might be pulled aside for further checking.

3rd layer: The check-in. Before you get to the check-in counter, (if you need to check-in) or go the security checkpoint (if you are like me and never check luggage), there is a person checking your ID and boarding pass while asking you three questions. This person is trained. Based on your responses, you may be subjected to further questioning. All the while, there’s a person walking around the line of people “sniffing” the luggage with a special device that detects explosives and other substances. Once you’re cleared, you put your bags through a scanner and head to your check-in desk. If something isn’t kosher, they’ll check you again.

By they time you get to the passport control or the security check point, you’re pretty much done. It’s just a trip through the metal detector and onto your plane.

Does it take longer this way? Not by much. Israeli airports and airlines are the safest in the world. All it takes is to simply think things through. Without getting into the politics of the TSA and whether their methods work or not, (or if they can afford to train their employees properly) the Israeli method can be applied successfully in the US.

No, it doesn’t matter if the airports are larger. Nor does it matter that many more people fly in and out of the US. The system can be easily scaled. All it takes is the removal of some political correctness non-sense and for the lobbyist companies to understand that the security of the passengers comes first.

Firearms

Before I close I wanted to mention something about firearms from my perspective. I am all for firearms, I believe they are great defensive tools and people should be able to get firearms if they so choose to. However, there are a few things that need to be changed in my opinion.

First, firearms are inherently dangerous and as such people applying for a permit must have proper training. In Israel there are a few rules and regulations that apply to people with a firearm permit. You can apply, but in order to obtain it you have to go through two courses: firearms handling and tactical shooting. This was done in order to prevent untrained people from openly shooting terrorists and hitting civilians. Also to properly understand what a firearm can do; hurt people.

Second, people should be checked. In Israel you have to pass a phycological check before getting your permit. And again, a permit means you can openly carry your firearm. This is to prevent mentally unstable people from committing exactly what the murderer in Connecticut did, although those weren’t his firearms.

Third, you should BE ACCOUNTABLE for your gun. If your nephew, friend, coworker, whoever, steals your gun and goes on a killing spree because you FAILED to properly secure your gun, you should go to jail. Simple. In Israel, the law requires that if you’re not carrying the gun on you in your home, the weapon MUST be locked under two locks: the house lock and a safe inside the house. If your firearm is stolen and the police discovered that you were negligent about securing it, you go to jail for 7 years. Simple.

I believe that guns don’t kill people, people kill people. We need to start doing something about this as part of stopping these senseless acts from happening again and keeping our kids safe. Please stay safe, be aware of your surroundings and report suspicious acts or objects when you see them.

[Acid Trip]

I find it sadly hypocritical that ALL politicians children go to schools where they have armed guards, but when this is brought up, people throw a hissy.

Talk about class division.:rolleyes:

I say if it's good for the presidents and politicians children, then it's good for the rest.

I'm sure the anti gun trolls will come out in droves, but below is well worth a read.

Good article, thank you.

[Godfather]

Ron Paul Blasts NRA, Liberals Over Gun Issue

By KENNETH T. WALSH
December 26, 2012

Rep. Ron Paul speaks at a rally at the University of South Florida in August.
Rep. Ron Paul, not one to shy away from controversy, has blasted the National Rifle Association for proposing that every school hire armed guards to protect against mass shootings, and has also condemned liberals for promoting more government control of guns.

Referring to the massacre in Newtown, Conn., Paul said, "Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control. This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government 'do something' to protect us in the wake of national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned. Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented. But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws. The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence. If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we're told, would-be school shooters would be dissuaded or stopped. While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings. I don't agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence."

Paul is one of the few Republican members of Congress to criticize the right over the gun issue. He is retiring from Congress but remains an iconic figure among libertarians.

[READ: Ron Paul Reacts to NRA's Proposal for Police Officers in Every School]

Criticizing the NRA proposal, Paul said, "Do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, x-ray scanners and warrantless physical searches? We see this culture in our airports, witness this shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders. This is the world of government provided 'security,' a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse." He argued that the federal government should not try to "pursue unobtainable safety" with state-approved security precautions, and said the government has "zero moral authority to legislate against violence."

Paul, a long-time congressman from Texas, added that the left and right are on the wrong track regarding the gun issue. "School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America," Paul said. "....Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal because it would require total state control over its citizens' lives. We shouldn't settle for substituting one type of violence over another."

He argued that new laws won't stop a mentally disturbed individual from getting a gun and killing people, as happened at the massacre in Newtown nearly two weeks ago. Twenty-six people were killed, including 20 children.

Paul said, "Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets."

Paul ran unsuccessfully for the Republican presidential nomination this year, supporting a severely restricted role for the federal government in national life and fewer U.S. military interventions abroad. He retains a strong following around the country and has pledged to continue speaking out on public issues after he leaves Congress this month.

[Lambchop]

So because a handful of NRA members are murderous douche-bags (aka trophy hunters) you paint the entire organization with that same brush? Surely you aren't that stupid.
The organisation supports and promotes trophy hunting. As the executive vice president of the NRA Wayne LaPierre should address these issues because it is a practice where hunters kill for the sake of killing. This places an individual in a situation where they experience a thrilling sensation and associate it with the senseless killing of animals. Where does a trophy hunter turn to maintain that adrenaline-filled experience after killing an elephant? I dread to wonder.

As for stupid, I would think that the person who doesn't support trophy hunting but still remains an NRA advocate and does nothing to challenge their practices would fall into that category.

[redred]

My views are , i don't care that you can own guns that's your right because its written in your laws and rules i just feel sorry that you have to fight fire with fire by having armed guards within schools i don't think its right that a young child has to walk passed someone with a gun, young minds shouldn't be subjected to it imo , but then i guess its the world we now live in :shrug:

[Lambchop]

NRA tells me I can go to Africa and kill one of the 'Big Five' (elephants, lions, rhinos, leopards and buffalo) for $4,600

http://i46.tinypic.com/bi34uc.png

Then their executive vice president will tell me that video games, movies and music videos cause violence after I've returned from Africa with the head of an elephant I killed for fun.


Bullshit

[redred]

Wonder how many of these people that kill kids have ever gone to Africa to kill a big animal compared to sit in a dark room playing medal of honour

[Lambchop]

I don't know if they have correlated trophy hunting with murder of humans yet but the potential is there. If you're going to speak out against violence make sure that your own organisation doesn't promote violent experiences first.

[Acid Trip]

The organisation supports and promotes trophy hunting. As the executive vice president of the NRA Wayne LaPierre should address these issues because it is a practice where hunters kill for the sake of killing. This places an individual in a situation where they experience a thrilling sensation and associate it with the senseless killing of animals. Where does a trophy hunter turn to maintain that adrenaline-filled experience after killing an elephant? I dread to wonder.

As for stupid, I would think that the person who doesn't support trophy hunting but still remains an NRA advocate and does nothing to challenge their practices would fall into that category.

Where did I say I was an advocate or a member or the NRA? Oh that's right, I didn't because I'm not. Care to make anything else up or is fantasy land closed for the day?

I reacted because an uninformed European liberal is running around painting large swaths of people with the same brush. You have probably never met an NRA member and yet you have a fully formed opinion on every member. If that is being "smart" then I'm dumber than a box of rocks.

[Lambchop]

I wasn't calling you stupid. You inferred that I was so I simply tried to imagine a type of person in this situation that could be called stupid. I didn't even think to apply that word in this thread before reading your post.


As for my views on the NRA, I'll fear and worry about any organisation that promotes and preserves a dangerous tool. While guns have a valid place in American society there will always be the overzealous individuals whose views and practices can be damaging on a national scale. In this case the idea that children should be placed in an environment where their teachers are all armed.

I hope that they devise a way to protect school kids without directly exposing the children to guns.

[Godfather]

Wonder how many of these people that kill kids have ever gone to Africa to kill a big animal compared to sit in a dark room playing medal of honour

Japan had 11 gun homicides last year. They must not play video ga.... Wait a sec...

[Southern Belle]

Children are "exposed to guns" on tv, the news, when they see a law enforcement officer, a member of the military, and of course on video games.
Posting armed guards in schools will not scar them for life nearly as bad as having to witness and be part of the kind of horror that happened in Newtown.
I've said before and will say again. Schools should have just as much if not more security as we have in our workplaces.
Don't think for a minute that the Obama, the Pelosi, the Feinstein and other liberal gun ownership haters of the world send their children to schools that aren't protected by armed guards.

[Loser]

Children are "exposed to guns" on tv, the news, when they see a law enforcement officer, a member of the military, and of course on video games.
Posting armed guards in schools will not scar them for life nearly as bad as having to witness and be part of the kind of horror that happened in Newtown.
I've said before and will say again. Schools should have just as much if not more security as we have in our workplaces.
Don't think for a minute that the Obama, the Pelosi, the Feinstein and other liberal gun ownership haters of the world send their children to schools that aren't protected by armed guards.

Don't you dare, don't you dare bring common sense into this thread....





:lol:

I loves ya hun :hug:

[Acid Trip]

I think we should put children in giant bubbles that are bullet, knife, foul language, violence, and sex proof. That way we can control absolutely every thing about them and leave them totally unprepared for the real world.

[Lambchop]

Children are "exposed to guns" on tv, the news, when they see a law enforcement officer, a member of the military, and of course on video games.
Posting armed guards in schools will not scar them for life nearly as bad as having to witness and be part of the kind of horror that happened in Newtown.
I've said before and will say again. Schools should have just as much if not more security as we have in our workplaces.
Don't think for a minute that the Obama, the Pelosi, the Feinstein and other liberal gun ownership haters of the world send their children to schools that aren't protected by armed guards.
Most people would agree that there is a need for armed guards and metal detectors at the entrance of schools. Just not an armed teacher in every classroom. Let the teachers teach & let security worry about the safety of the children.

[Loser]

Most people would agree that there is a need for armed guards and metal detectors at the entrance of schools. Just not an armed teacher in every classroom. Let the teachers teach & let security worry about the safety of the children.

Just an idea here, but name one instance where a teacher mass murdered students.

I've actually been googling this and can't turn up anything. There's quiet a few of the opposite, but none of the above.

So I don't see one reason why teachers, if properly trained, shouldn't be allowed to carry a firearm.

Hell, in most areas....*cough*chicago*cough*...I wouldn't even be a teacher unless I were allowed to carry.

[Lambchop]

My reasons for armed guards not teachers:

Teachers won't be as highly trained as armed guards or have the experience.

Teachers will be too busy teaching, giving intruders the advantage. They might stop an intruder but after how many children are shot?

Armed guards can focus on child safety and nothing else.

With metal detectors and armed guards at the entrance an intruder can be dealt with before reaching the classrooms.

Kids will have less exposure to guns and therefore reducing the possibility of an accident. We've all seen the DEA agent shooting himself in the foot during a class demonstration on gun safety.

Kids are impressionable. Put them in a room with an armed teacher and they will want to play with a gun.

There are dozens of videos on the internet showing teachers losing control and hitting/attacking their students out of frustration. Imagine if they have a gun and think to use it in the heat of the moment.


Solve the issue where it matters and tighten security at the entrance :thumbsup:

[Acid Trip]

This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! – Adolph Hitler

Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. – Mahatma Gandhi

One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation. – Thomas B. Reed

[Loser]

My reasons for armed guards not teachers:

Teachers won't be as highly trained as armed guards or have the experience.

Teachers will be too busy teaching, giving intruders the advantage. They might stop an intruder but after how many children are shot?

Armed guards can focus on child safety and nothing else.

With metal detectors and armed guards at the entrance an intruder can be dealt with before reaching the classrooms.

Kids will have less exposure to guns and therefore reducing the possibility of an accident. We've all seen the DEA agent shooting himself in the foot during a class demonstration on gun safety.

Kids are impressionable. Put them in a room with an armed teacher and they will want to play with a gun.

There are dozens of videos on the internet showing teachers losing control and hitting/attacking their students out of frustration. Imagine if they have a gun and think to use it in the heat of the moment.


Solve the issue where it matters and tighten security at the entrance :thumbsup:


Have you seen the police entrance exam for most major cities?

I've seen the one from chicago, and let me tell you, I could train my dog to pass that thing.

Add to the fact that most of these will probably be the "rent a cop" type of variety, making them even more stupid.

So your "trained" guards, are actually dumb as fucking bricks.

I would rather have an intelligent person, trained in self defence scenarios, then some rent a cop protecting kids.

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Unless your implying another TSA type agency just for schools. We all know how the TSA turned out. :roll:

[minz]

Poor parenting goes a long way here IMO, kids these days are not taught to respect anything or anyone, they dont seem to be taught any kind of 'values' at all, the biggest thing that needs to change is not gun laws but attitudes, the 'Mummy's little darling can do just whatever he/she wants to' type of attitude needs to stop and kids need to be taught to respect human life and each other!

[Loser]

Minz, that's common sense talk, that's not welcome round these parts.

*Listen ya'll, she's talking witchcraft*


:lol:


Seriously though, the problem is, it's much easier to blame guns, then to blame anything else. The helmet wearing, anti-smoking, bottle baby crowd likes to blame everything else but their precious little darling. ;)

It's been that way for years, and won't stop any time soon....Sadly.

[SilverSaber]

Not giving up my guns period.

[Loser]

Not giving up my guns period.


Yea, that's what the British thought ;)

History has proven.

First comes gun registration, so they know where to go, then they start the "voluntary" turn ins, which we're seeing now, then they start going house to house.

[Griffin]

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/demotivational-posters-bacon-gun.jpg

[Lambchop]

Not giving up my guns period.
I'm coming to collect them on Saturday. See you then.

[Muddy]

Lol