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Teh One Who Knocks
01-02-2013, 12:16 PM
By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News | The Ticket


The House of Representatives late Tuesday easily approved emergency bipartisan legislation sparing all but a sliver of America’s richest from sharp income tax hikes -- while setting up another “fiscal cliff” confrontation in a matter of weeks.

Lawmakers voted 257-167 to send the compromise to President Barack Obama to sign into law. Eighty-five Republicans and 172 Democrats backed the bill, which had sailed through the Senate by a lopsided 89-8 margin shortly after 2 a.m. Opposition comprised 151 Republicans and 16 Democrats.

Republican House Speaker John Boehner voted in favor of the deal, as did House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, his party's failed vice presidential candidate. But Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy voted against it.

Obama, speaking from the White House briefing room shortly after the vote, praised lawmakers for coming together to avert a tax increase that “could have sent the economy back into a recession.”

“A central premise of my campaign for president was the change the tax code that was too skewed toward the wealthy at the expense of working, middle-class Americans. Tonight, we’ve done that,” the president said.

But he signaled that the legislation was “just one step in the broader effort” of getting the nation’s finances in order while boosting growth and job creation.

“The deficit is still too high,” he said, warning Republicans that he would stick with his demands for a “balanced” approach blending spending cuts with revenue increases, notably from the rich and wealthy corporations.

Republicans vowed a renewed focus on cutting government outlays.

“Now the focus turns to spending,” Boehner said, vowing his party would “hold the president accountable for the balanced approach he promised, meaning significant spending cuts and reforms to the entitlement programs that are driving our country deeper and deeper into debt.”

As debate began, Republican House Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp heralded “a legacy vote” that amounted to a victory for his party because Democrats agreed to make permanent the tax cuts his party enacted in 2001 and 2003. Camp called the bill a step towards reforming the country’s “nightmare” tax code and described it as the largest tax cut in history.

Representative Sander Levin, the top Democrat on Camp’s committee, claimed victory because the vote shattered “the iron barrier” Republicans maintained for 20 years against raising taxes.

It fell to Democratic Representative Charlie Rangel to admit “this is no profile in courage for me to be voting for this bill” because “we created this monster.”

The polarized House approved the measure, unchanged, after House Republican leaders beat back a day-long insurrection within their ranks fueled by conservative anger at the bill’s lack of spending cuts. A final vote was expected late Tuesday evening.

“They’re crazy, but they’re not that batshit crazy,” Democratic Representative Alcee Hastings told reporters as the Republican plan came into focus.

Hastings’s blunt assessment came after a day in which Republican leaders at times seemed to be as much political arsonists as firefighters in the face of rank-and-file GOP anger at the bill.

The House seemed on track to torch the legislation, a hard-fought bipartisan bill crafted by Vice President Joe Biden and McConnell that sailed through the Senate by a lopsided 89-8 margin in a vote shortly after 2 a.m.

The compromise bill averts the sharpest tax increase in American history. But it hikes rates on income above $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for households, while exemptions and deductions the wealthiest Americans use to reduce their tax bill face new limits. The accord also raises the taxes paid on large inheritances from 35% to 40% for estates over $5 million. And it extends by one year unemployment benefits for some two million Americans. It also prevents cuts in payments to doctors who treat Medicare patients and spares tens of millions of Americans who otherwise would have been hit with the Alternative Minimum Tax. And it extends some stimulus-era tax breaks championed by progressives.

The middle class will still see its taxes go up: The final deal did not include an extension of the payroll tax holiday. A report released by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office Tuesday complicated matters further. It said that the Senate-passed compromise would add nearly $4 trillion to the federal deficit over 10 years.

Despite the overwhelming Senate vote, the accord landed with a thud in the House, where Cantor surprised lawmakers by coming out flatly against the deal during a morning closed-door meeting of House Republicans. Cantor’s announcement fueled conservative anger at the absence of spending cuts in a measure that had originally been considered a likely vehicle for at least some deficit-reduction. The results fed fears that the legislation was doomed.

Republican leadership aides played down the drama by insisting that “the lack of spending cuts in the Senate bill was a universal concern amongst members in today’s meeting.”

After grappling with the insurrection all day, Republican leaders gave their fractious caucus a choice during an emergency 5:15 p.m. meeting: Try to amend it or go for a straight up-or-down vote on the original deal.

Cantor and Boehner “cautioned members about the risk in such a strategy,” according to a GOP leadership aide.

House Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier, emerging from the gathering, bluntly told reporters “it’s pretty obvious” that amending the legislation and sending it back to the Senate would kill it. Democrats and Republicans in the upper chamber had signaled that lawmakers there would not take up a modified version of what was already a difficult deal.

The resulting pressure on GOP leaders was immense: Absent action to avert the fiscal cliff, Americans would face hefty across-the-board income-tax hikes, while indiscriminate spending cuts risked devastating domestic and defense programs. Skittish financial markets were watching the dysfunction in Washington carefully amid warnings that going off the so-called cliff could plunge the fragile economy into a new recession.

Defeat would have handed Boehner a fresh embarrassment by blocking a measure he explicitly asked the Senate and White House to negotiate without him but vowed to act on if Republicans and Democrats could reach a deal. Public opinion polls had shown that Republicans would have borne the brunt of the blame for fiscal cliff-related economic pain.

Republicans had also fretted about the message if final passage came on the back of a majority of Democratic votes, a tricky thing for Boehner two days before he faces reelection as speaker. (In the hours before the vote, conservative lawmakers played down the risks of a rebellion against the Ohio lawmaker).

Time ran short for another reason: A new Congress will take office at noon on Thursday, forcing efforts to craft a compromise by the current Congress back to the drawing board.

Efforts to modify the first installment of $1.2 trillion in cuts to domestic and defense programs over 10 years -- the other portion of the “fiscal cliff,” known as sequestration -- had proved a sticking point late in the game. Democrats had sought a year-long freeze but ultimately caved to Republican pressure and signed on to just a two-month delay while broader deficit-reduction talks continue.

That would put the next major battle over spending cuts right around the time that the White House and its Republican foes are battling it out over whether to raise the country's debt limit.

Republicans have vowed to push for more spending cuts, equivalent to the amount of new borrowing. Obama has vowed not to negotiate as he did in 2011, when a bruising fight threatened the first-ever default on America's obligations and resulted in the first-ever downgrade of the country's credit rating.

“I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they have already racked up through the laws that they passed,” he warned Tuesday. “The consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic.”

The president then left for Hawaii to rejoin his family on vacation.

As House Republicans raged at the bill, key House Democrats emerging from a closed-door meeting with Biden expressed support for the compromise and pressed Boehner for a vote on the legislation as written.

“Our Speaker has said when the Senate acts, we will have a vote in the House. That is what he said, that is what we expect, that is what the American people deserve…a straight up-or-down vote,” Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told reporters.

Conservative activist organizations like the anti-tax Club for Growth warned lawmakers to oppose the compromise. The Club charged in a message to Congress that “this bill raises taxes immediately with the promise of cutting spending later.”

President Barack Obama had previously declared that “this agreement is the right thing to do for our country and the House should pass it without delay.”

There were signs that the 2016 presidential race shaped the outcome in the Senate. Republican Senator Marco Rubio, widely thought to have his eye on his party’s nomination, voted no. Republican Senator Rand Paul, who could take up the libertarian mantle of his father Ron Paul, did as well.

In a sign of deep GOP unease over the legislation, Republican leaders Boehner, Cantor, and McCarthy did not speak during the debate. Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, and James Clyburn all did.

Biden's visit -- his second to Congressional Democrats in two days -- aimed to soothe concerns about the bill and about the coming battles on deficit reduction.

“This is a simple case of trying to Make sure that the perfect does not become the enemy of the good,” said Democratic Representative Elijah Cummings, one of the chamber’s most steadfast liberals. “Nobody’s going to like everything about it.”

Asked whether House progressives, who had hoped for a lower income threshold, would back the bill, Cummings said he could not predict but stressed: “I am one of the most progressive members, and I will vote for it.”

Acid Trip
01-02-2013, 02:30 PM
The Republicans failed which means the country is fucked. The Democrats got 47 dollars in tax increases for every 1 dollar of cuts. It's IMPOSSIBLE to ever get out of debt using those ratios. It should be 1 dollar in tax increases for every 4-5 dollars in cuts.

This "new deal" adds 4 TRILLION MORE to the deficit than if we would have just let the automatic cuts and tax raises happen.

They didn't just kick the can, they punted that mother fucker hard!

Acid Trip
01-02-2013, 02:32 PM
And to make it worse...

"But Obama warned again that he would not negotiate with Republicans over the $16.4 trillion debt limit, which must be raised in the coming weeks. “While I will negotiate over many things,” he said, “I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether they will pay the bills they’ve already racked up.”"

The POTUS is back to making threats again. He will not negotiate over the debt ceiling. Sounds exactly like he did leading up to the fiscal cliff nonsense.

Teh One Who Knocks
01-02-2013, 02:38 PM
The whole thing is a nightmare....the republicans have completely failed at doing anything useful :|

Muddy
01-02-2013, 02:44 PM
Im not sure I understand what is actually happening..

redred
01-02-2013, 02:49 PM
Im not sure I understand what is actually happening..

i've been reading this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20237056 i think if you make over a set amount you pay more tax

Muddy
01-02-2013, 03:37 PM
So i'm paying out 2% more in taxes as well. To social security of all places.. Something I will most likely never recoup.

Acid Trip
01-02-2013, 03:43 PM
So i'm paying out 2% more in taxes as well. To social security of all places.. Something I will most likely never recoup.

That's right. You will pay 2% more and Hollywood gets a bunch of tax cuts extended after they had a record year of box office receipts. Hollywood votes Democrat after all!


The fiscal cliff deal extends the tax incentives through 2013--even as payroll taxes rise on ordinary Americans.

The original tax incentive applied to productions costing less than $15 million to make ($20 million in low-income areas). The 2008 extension applies to all films, up to a deduction of $15 million (or $20 million in low-income areas). The incentive is especially generous to television series; it applies to each TV episode.

Hollywood players routinely beg the government to raise their taxes so they can pay their "fair share."

Yet the industry moves new productions to places where existing tax breaks help its bottom line. That means plenty of shows and films are shot in states like New Mexico, which feature highly favorable tax rates, as well as destinations north of the border with similar perks.

Now Hollywood has used its clout to ensure that its generous tax incentives will continue in a time of fiscal crisis.

And...

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the last-minute fiscal cliff deal reached by congressional leaders and President Barack Obama cuts only $15 billion in spending while increasing tax revenues by $620 billion—a 41:1 ratio of tax increases to spending cuts.

Muddy
01-02-2013, 03:45 PM
Everybody but me gets a raise this year. :)

Acid Trip
01-02-2013, 05:11 PM
Back to Hawaii for Obama. Guess what he forgot to sign before leaving? The Fiscal Cliff deal!

HONOLULU (AP) — President Barack Obama is back in Hawaii for vacation after a tense, end-of-the-new-year standoff with Congress over the fiscal cliff.

The president arrived early Wednesday morning, local time, after an overnight flight aboard Air Force One. He was rejoining his family for a holiday break after having returned to Washington following Christmas to deal with the unfinished business that threatened to throw the economy back into recession.

The House voted late Tuesday night on a package to avoid income tax increases for most Americans, allowing rates to rise on incomes exceeding $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for couples. The wide-ranging deal, approved by the Senate earlier, delayed for two months billions in budget-wide cuts.

The White House had no immediate update on when Obama would receive and sign the bill.

Muddy
01-02-2013, 05:12 PM
Him and Jay Z had to get back to the yacht.. Shooting for the new Kanye video begins at noon.

redred
01-02-2013, 05:22 PM
Kanye can't make it he's baby shopping

Muddy
01-02-2013, 05:26 PM
http://i.imgur.com/4iKxv.jpg

redred
01-02-2013, 05:29 PM
:lol: poor kid gonna be fugly with a fat ass

Muddy
01-02-2013, 05:30 PM
Poor Bruce Jenner has to see that fuckers face and listen to his mouth run at every holiday event.

Acid Trip
01-02-2013, 05:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/4iKxv.jpg

:bwaha:

Acid Trip
01-02-2013, 06:00 PM
Poor Bruce Jenner has to see that fuckers face and listen to his mouth run at every holiday event.

Bruce Jenner has to look at his own face everyday. That's punishment in itself.

Acid Trip
01-02-2013, 06:09 PM
And of course they voted on a bill they had no possible way of reading before the vote happened. They had 3 minutes to read all 154 pages!

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) (AP)
(CNSNews.com) – The U.S. Senate voted 89-8 to approve legislation to avoid the fiscal cliff despite having only 3 minutes to read the 154-page bill and budget score.

Multiple Senate sources have confirmed to CNSNews.com that senators received the bill at approximately 1:36 AM on Jan. 1, 2013 – a mere three minutes before they voted to approve it at 1:39 AM.

redred
01-02-2013, 06:12 PM
they all have copies of

http://i.imgur.com/Z4xjJ.jpg

FBD
01-02-2013, 09:04 PM
Happy 2013 everyone :)


Im not sure I understand what is actually happening..

You anre most of the rest of the american population are getting bent over and fucked by a made up issue called "the debt ceiling" which is really some arbitrary limit on how much the government can borrow. The entire argument is one big straw man argument because they arent even beginning to discuss GGW (Government Gone Wild) with its drunken spending orgy that can never be trimmed back - and not only that, the rate of increase can not be rolled back.



I was going to mention their 3 whole minutes they got to "read" the "bill" but AT had that covered.


The real problem is the debt bomb,

the trillion+ in student loan debt, in which the 90 day default rate went parabolic a few months ago,

the welfare state, which pretty much means there is no difference in how much discretionary income & benefits you have whether you're making 27k vs 65k when you count food stamps and the million other helper programs that exist...



our legislative process is fucked, our electoral process is fucked, we as a people are fucked.


the only reason people dont see how bad it is is because the federal reserve is "buying" almost all of our debt - wait until that stops, and we'll have our "shit hitting the fan" event.

I hope you guys have some physical gold & silver set aside - gold for long term value, silver to actually spend, once the veil is lifted and the dollar is officially worthless.

grow a garden if you can, stock up, and you probably want to buy guns too before they are 100% illegal and we wind up in the midst of revolution II.

I have zero faith left in all of this. Its gonna crash and its just a matter of time at this point. Dont wait until its too late to start preparing. Seriously. The farce may continue for another year or maybe two, but we're so far in the hole at this point, getting out is going to be painful no matter which way you slice the pie.

RBP
01-02-2013, 09:06 PM
:shock:

FBD
01-02-2013, 09:22 PM
What happened the last time gold and central banks were this far apart...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-01/what-happened-last-time-gold-and-central-banks-were-so-far-apart

the welfare analysis
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-01/meanwhile-americas-other-cliff-remains-untouched
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/12-2/welfare%20cliff_0.jpg

it doesnt seem the fed reserve's math is any better than james hansen's
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-31/behold-brains-behind-ben-bernankes-binary-black-box

and finally,
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/12-2/Tax%20Hike%20In%20Perspective.jpg

Acid Trip
01-02-2013, 09:23 PM
:shock:

FBD goes a little overboard at times but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

The Federal Reserve (which is not the Federal government) is printing money (the US dollar) and then using that freshly printed money to buy US Treasuries (aka bonds/government debt). The US government then pays the Federal Reserve interest on the bonds they hold. Bonds that the Federal Reserve bought using money that came from thin air.

Let that sink in for a few minutes and you'll realize how screwed we are.

FBD
01-02-2013, 09:27 PM
courtesy of the first ever midnight vote

RBP
01-02-2013, 09:29 PM
that does sound pretty stupid. :-k

Godfather
01-03-2013, 02:09 AM
So Israel and Hamas reach a ceasefire. A bipartisan deal is reached on the fiscal cliff.... and yet the NHL and the NHLPA can't agree on a game.

Fuck the world man...

RBP
01-03-2013, 02:11 AM
So Israel and Hamas reach a ceasefire. A bipartisan deal is reached on the fiscal cliff.... and yet the NHL and the NHLPA can't agree on a game.

Fuck the world man...

Is the final deadline to cancel the season 1/21? Thought that was what I heard.

Godfather
01-03-2013, 02:19 AM
Is the final deadline to cancel the season 1/21? Thought that was what I heard.

(sorry to Hijack the thread btw) Bettman said it was January 11th the day before yesterday. I'm not sure what's a bluff or scripted anymore, but the NHLPA will hopefully agree to the deal recent that's been proposed tonight and stop being a bunch of Union pricks.

RBP
01-03-2013, 02:22 AM
(sorry to Hijack the thread btw) Bettman said it was January 11th the day before yesterday. I'm not sure what's a bluff or scripted anymore, but the NHLPA will hopefully agree to the deal recent that's been proposed tonight and stop being a bunch of Union pricks.

What union... didn't they dissolve it?

Godfather
01-03-2013, 02:57 AM
What union... didn't they dissolve it?

It will likely happen tonight I believe but they did vote in favor of the disclaimer of interest giving the power to dissolve

Lambchop
01-03-2013, 03:16 AM
Has any nation ever successfully paid off all of its debt? If not, fuck these theoretical limitations and enjoy the money.

Muddy
01-03-2013, 03:22 AM
Oi! That's my money they are taking! And believe me brother, I don't owe anybody shit.... :lol:

Lambchop
01-03-2013, 03:25 AM
Oi! That's my money they are taking! And believe me brother, I don't owe anybody shit.... :lol:
You owe Tyrone 40 acres of land :thumbsup:

Muddy
01-03-2013, 03:26 AM
Tyrone got his 40 acres and a mule 100 years ago.. He jjust happened to sell them for some new clothes and a model T..

Godfather
01-03-2013, 04:28 AM
http://i45.tinypic.com/15cgf93.jpg

RBP
01-03-2013, 04:29 AM
no shit, right. :|

Godfather
01-03-2013, 04:41 AM
Anyways... I should stop laughing at shit on the US fiscal cliff today... we have a household debt bubble of our our own, we have an economy way too dependent on oil and finance, we pillage our natural resources like oil, fisheries and forests in a totally unsustainable manor instead of modernizing our economy and infrastructure... and yet most of us are ignorant of it. We spend immense time looking outward while our own politicians toil away working for themselves and lobbyists, which we'll regret at some point....

FBD
01-03-2013, 01:22 PM
:facepalm: gf...point at the leaves as responsible for the tree? the entire reason we have household debt is because that's how trickle down economics works. governments promise too much, pay out too much, then lean on the citizenry for taxes and shit to make up for it. the source is just somewhat benign because this regressive taxation has been done stealth via inflation, bailouts, etc. =the 98% loss of value of the dollar since the federal reserve was created. you dont get very significant raises, but then they trash real value and commodity markets and then all of a sudden everything's going up in price. burn corn for fuel, it gets more expensive, then all the animals we eat are now way more expensive to raise. (fuck that, its so expensive I just dont even care and buy grass fed beef, because I dont give a shit, its that much better.) its why we have no idea what real value even is any longer. what's the real value of an ounce of gold? an ar-15? a pound of beef? X company's stock? government intervention has so distorted the price valuation mechanisms that there is no longer any true measure of it. prelude to hyperinflation.

that's how you know banks and big businesses have politicians in their pocket - any time there are significant losses to be had, that's when you find out they all support socialism...

socialized losses, privatized wins.

oops I made a bad bet, send me your money so I can just quasi erase that mistake. thanks, taxpayers!

mom and pop businesses....sorry yall are fucked, now go out of business, eat shit and die (so then we can be 100% guaranteed you vote democrat)


Has any nation ever successfully paid off all of its debt? If not, fuck these theoretical limitations and enjoy the money.
:facepalm: of course that has happened, just not recently (at least not without massive internal devaluation)

Acid Trip
01-03-2013, 03:25 PM
Has any nation ever successfully paid off all of its debt? If not, fuck these theoretical limitations and enjoy the money.

Once a country is deep in debt they always take the easy way out and default. Venezuela, Russia, Ukraine, Peru and Argentina have all done it in the past. It was painful but far less painful then 200 years of austerity and high taxes.

FBD
01-03-2013, 04:08 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/15cgf93.jpg

they also declared themselves "not Friends of Angelo" too...


...because to admit such would have put half of congress in jail (where they belong)

http://occupydesign.org/gallery/sites/default/files/images/CongressMillionaires.png

FBD
01-03-2013, 04:17 PM
Today's examination of Yesterday
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-03/todays-examination-yesterday

“Until we can re-establish a condition under which the earnings of the people can be kept by the people, we are bound to suffer a very severe and distinct curtailment of our liberty.”

-Calvin Coolidge

I left yesterday for the bobbling heads. Those small dolls resident in the back of car windows that nod up and down as you go over every bump in the road. I left yesterday for the media spinners. Those that are paid to turn diamonds into lumps of clay and then back again by the glittering facets of their arguments. I left yesterday to the artists of verbiage that weave arguments of their own accomplishments much as the artists of Three Card Monty hide the truth behind their shells. I left all of that for yesterday so that today we could examine the reality of that which we have been presented.

Yesterday we had a nice rally in the equity markets. No surprise; the sigh of relief was palpable that Congress did something, anything to address our fall over the cliff. I would not get too excited however. We raised taxes, we penalized those succeeding and we did it in a meaningful manner. We did not cut the national debt as sung by the chorus across the airwaves. In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office we decreased revenues by $3.6 trillion over ten years. We did not protect the middle class, but because of the expiration of the payroll tax decrease, Federal taxes will rise for 77% of all working Americans. Thus we rewarded non-working Americans at the expense of those with jobs. For those that are truly succeeding, making over one million dollars, we increased their taxes by $171,300.00 on average which becomes a disincentive to progress or a very good reason to explore tax avoidance and gimmickry. We still face “sequestration” in March and the “debt ceiling” in February and nothing was done to curtail our social and entitlement programs that cannot be afforded without even more debt and mountains of it regardless of all of the new taxes. The game was the continuation of postponement and avoidance and reckless governance of the nation.

The spin is that the increase in taxes on capital gains and dividends will rise from 15% to 20% (a 25% increase) but this is not accurate. Under the Affordable Care Act, which is in effect today, there is another 3.8% tax which raises taxes on capital gains and dividends to 23.8% which is a 37% total raise. So much for the value of appreciation and the value of dividends if you start out yards behind the eightball. Then you can feel very proud of our President and our Congress because they feathered the nests of so many peacocks in the process. GE’s tax bill was lowered along with several other companies with the $111.2 billion extension for off-shore financing. How about $78 million for Nascar, $248 million for films and TV programs in additional depreciation and $222 million in a special exemption for imported rum.

Unintended consequences

One of the unintended consequences of all of these new taxes may be a population shift in the United States. Many people in higher income states like CA, NJ, NY or CT will be paying well over 50% now between Federal taxes (39.6%), the rise in Social Security taxes (2.00%), the new Obamacare tax (3.8%) and the increase in Medicare taxes (1.45% to 2.35%). Add to this state income taxes and many people in those states will be paying 50-60% of their income in combined taxes. These are levels of taxes where not only disincentives come into play and where tax chicanery is multiplied but where people and possibly corporations will change locations based upon what the various governments take from their pocketbook.

The Best Bet

There was lots of talking about it and speculation was rampant but Municipal bonds were left alone in the new legislation. The major indices for Munis had declined around 3.5% prior to the new laws but yesterday, when long Treasuries were off 1.75 points, these same indices were up around one point. I have long suggested buying Municipals as many credits are cheaper than corresponding corporates on an apples to apples yield basis given the ratings. Forget the tax consequences; the absolute yields on many Municipal bonds are better than equally rated Corporate or Mortgage backed bonds. Municipals now represent the last large pocket, the last asset class of investments, where tax exemption may be found and this is now far more important than it was on he final day of the last year. I suggest getting in now because Muni’s will compress and keep compressing against Treasuries and there is very good value now to be found here.

“This country would not be a land of opportunity; America could not be America, if the people are shackled with government monopolies.”

-Calvin Coolidge

FBD
01-03-2013, 04:25 PM
The mix of tax perks covering the next year, but with budget implications for the next two years, includes everything from incentives for employers to hire veterans to incentives for employers to invest in mine safety. But it also includes these:



$430 million for Hollywood through “special expensing rules” to encourage TV and film production in the United States. Producers can expense up to $15 million of costs for their projects.
$331 million for railroads by allowing short-line and regional operators to claim a tax credit up to 50 percent of the cost to maintain tracks that they own or lease.
$222 million for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands through returned excise taxes collected by the federal government on rum produced in the islands and imported to the mainland.
$70 million for NASCAR by extending a “7-year cost recovery period for certain motorsports racing track facilities.”
$59 million for algae growers through tax credits to encourage production of “cellulosic biofuel” at up to $1.01 per gallon.
$4 million for electric motorcycle makers by expanding an existing green-energy tax credit for buyers of plug-in vehicles to include electric motorbikes




Wind farms, motorsports tracks, global banks and other businesses won revived tax breaks in a $75.3 billion package included in a last-minute budget deal Congress passed yesterday.



The tax-break extensions, mostly for companies, made it into the bill past Republican demands for spending cuts and Democratic resistance to benefits for businesses. Both parties have complained for years about some of the special-interest provisions.



Most of the tax breaks had expired at the end of 2011 and will be extend

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-01-02/budget-deal-seals-breaks-for-wind-farms-puerto-rico-rum


2013 charts that pretty much need to be seen to be believed:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-02/96-charts-have-be-seen-believed-2013

I'd better stop before I make everyone paranoid :lol:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/64/Black_Sabbath_-_Paranoid.jpg/220px-Black_Sabbath_-_Paranoid.jpg

Muddy
01-03-2013, 04:29 PM
Thanks for all that FBD... Im going to read every word and get back to you on it..

FBD
01-03-2013, 04:37 PM
if there's a point you'd like to make, by all means bro :) I'm just trying to keep people informed as to what's really going on instead of the garbage the State Run Media...I mean MSM gets fed by the government and regurgitates to the population.

Muddy
01-03-2013, 04:46 PM
if there's a point you'd like to make, by all means bro :) I'm just trying to keep people informed as to what's really going on instead of the garbage the State Run Media...I mean MSM gets fed by the government and regurgitates to the population.

My only point is that I have a hard time reading a lot of text on a screen.

FBD
01-03-2013, 05:01 PM
I hear ya, I hate reading on a screen...I have tons of great PDFs that I probably wont ever read unless I load 'em on the wife's kindle or something! anything much over a page and I'm done :lol:

Muddy
01-03-2013, 05:03 PM
I have a nice TV that didnt come with a user manual because they expect me to read the manual on the TV through a help function... So far I have mastered turning it on and oh yeah.. the volume!

Acid Trip
01-03-2013, 05:14 PM
I have a nice TV that didnt come with a user manual because they expect me to read the manual on the TV through a help function... So far I have mastered turning it on and oh yeah.. the volume!

I hate that shit. That and when owners manuals are given to you on CD or you are told where to download it.

FBD
01-04-2013, 02:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-mIYFT2U51s

David Burge @iowahawkblog

The fiscal cliff deal: a crackhead with a $400/day habit robs $6 from an old lady, then tells his dealer to make his bag $0.15 lighter.