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Teh One Who Knocks
02-06-2013, 02:25 PM
By PAULINE JELINEK | Associated Press


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WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. Postal Service will stop delivering mail on Saturdays but continue to deliver packages six days a week under a plan aimed at saving about $2 billion annually, the financially struggling agency says.

In an announcement scheduled for later Wednesday, the service is expected to say the Saturday mail cutback would begin in August.

The move accentuates one of the agency's strong points — package delivery has increased by 14 percent since 2010, officials say, while the delivery of letters and other mail has declined with the increasing use of email and other Internet services.

Under the new plan, mail would be delivered to homes and businesses only from Monday through Friday, but would still be delivered to post office boxes on Saturdays. Post offices now open on Saturdays would remain open on Saturdays.

Over the past several years, the Postal Service has advocated shifting to a five-day delivery schedule for mail and packages — and it repeatedly but unsuccessfully appealed to Congress to approve the move. Though an independent agency, the service gets no tax dollars for its day-to-day operations but is subject to congressional control.

It was not immediately clear how the service could eliminate Saturday mail without congressional approval.

But the agency clearly thinks it has a majority of the American public on its side regarding the change.

Material prepared for the Wednesday press conference by Patrick R. Donahoe, postmaster general and CEO, says Postal Service market research and other research has indicated that nearly 7 in 10 Americans support the switch to five-day delivery as a way for the Postal Service to reduce costs.

"The Postal Service is advancing an important new approach to delivery that reflects the strong growth of our package business and responds to the financial realities resulting from America's changing mailing habits," Donahoe said in a statement prepared for the announcement. "We developed this approach by working with our customers to understand their delivery needs and by identifying creative ways to generate significant cost savings."

The Postal Service is making the announcement Wednesday, more than six months before the switch, to give residential and business customers time to plan and adjust, the statement said.

"The American public understands the financial challenges of the Postal Service and supports these steps as a responsible and reasonable approach to improving our financial situation," Donahoe said. "The Postal Service has a responsibility to take the steps necessary to return to long-term financial stability and ensure the continued affordability of the U.S. Mail."

He said the change would mean a combination of employee reassignment and attrition and is expected to achieve cost savings of approximately $2 billion annually when fully implemented.

The agency in November reported an annual loss of a record $15.9 billion for the last budget year and forecast more red ink in 2013, capping a tumultuous year in which it was forced to default on billions in retiree health benefit prepayments to avert bankruptcy.

The financial losses for the fiscal year ending Sept. 30 were more than triple the $5.1 billion loss in the previous year. Having reached its borrowing limit, the mail agency is operating with little cash on hand.

The agency's biggest problem — and the majority of the red ink in 2012 — was not due to reduced mail flow but rather to mounting mandatory costs for future retiree health benefits, which made up $11.1 billion of the losses. Without that and other related labor expenses, the mail agency sustained an operating loss of $2.4 billion, lower than the previous year.

The health payments are a requirement imposed by Congress in 2006 that the post office set aside $55 billion in an account to cover future medical costs for retirees. The idea was to put $5.5 billion a year into the account for 10 years. That's $5.5 billion the post office doesn't have.

No other government agency is required to make such a payment for future medical benefits. Postal authorities wanted Congress to address the issue last year, but lawmakers finished their session without getting it done. So officials are moving ahead to accelerate their own plan for cost-cutting.

The Postal Service is in the midst of a major restructuring throughout its retail, delivery and mail processing operations. Since 2006, it has cut annual costs by about $15 billion, reduced the size of its career workforce by 193,000 or by 28 percent, and has consolidated more than 200 mail processing locations, officials say.

They say that while the change in the delivery schedule announced Wednesday is one of the actions needed to restore the financial health of the service, they still urgently need lawmakers to act. Officials say they continue to press for legislation that will give them greater flexibility to control costs and make new revenues.

RBP
02-06-2013, 02:29 PM
I don't have an issue with eliminating Saturday mail delivery to cut costs. The retiree medical is a huge issue that needs to be addressed.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-06-2013, 02:31 PM
I don't have an issue with eliminating Saturday mail delivery to cut costs. The retiree medical is a huge issue that needs to be addressed.

They should also adjust what it costs to mail a 1st class letter. It's crazy to charge the same amount to mail a letter across town for me as it would to send it to Anchorage, Alaska. FedEx and UPS both use distance based rates for everything, so should the Post Office.

FBD
02-06-2013, 02:31 PM
Though an independent agency, the service gets no tax dollars for its day-to-day operations but is subject to congressional control.

Keep parroting bullshit, AP.

RBP
02-06-2013, 02:35 PM
They should also adjust what it costs to mail a 1st class letter. It's crazy to charge the same amount to mail a letter across town for me as it would to send it to Anchorage, Alaska. FedEx and UPS both use distance based rates for everything, so should the Post Office.

And charge what it costs to operate... that's also what for profit carriers do.

RBP
02-06-2013, 02:35 PM
Keep parroting bullshit, AP.

Source?

FBD
02-06-2013, 02:41 PM
You keep seeing the argument made that the post office "does not require any tax dollar to fund its day to day operations" when in fact that is simply a numbers trick - saying "see, we make enough money to at least cover our day to day operations" and next to nothing else that is required for the operation of the post office, hence you see the billions in shortfalls the post office has at every fiscal marker. Its not exactly a secret, but the media has been told not to report it accurately, and they comply.

Nothing more than an excuse to keep funding an agency that's losing money left and right at wait-dont-look-at-these-details sort of levels.

Seriously, that's as believable as planned parenthood saying they keep all their tax dollars for abortions in a separate account than the tax dollars they do STD tests with. Its nothing more than a line of bullshit.

(with the same end of "oh, right, "they dont use tax dollars for abortions" "....shhhhhhh)

DemonGeminiX
02-06-2013, 02:42 PM
Awww... no more Saturday junk mail.

:sad2:

RBP
02-06-2013, 03:02 PM
You keep seeing the argument made that the post office "does not require any tax dollar to fund its day to day operations" when in fact that is simply a numbers trick - saying "see, we make enough money to at least cover our day to day operations" and next to nothing else that is required for the operation of the post office, hence you see the billions in shortfalls the post office has at every fiscal marker. Its not exactly a secret, but the media has been told not to report it accurately, and they comply.

Nothing more than an excuse to keep funding an agency that's losing money left and right at wait-dont-look-at-these-details sort of levels.

Seriously, that's as believable as planned parenthood saying they keep all their tax dollars for abortions in a separate account than the tax dollars they do STD tests with. Its nothing more than a line of bullshit.

(with the same end of "oh, right, "they dont use tax dollars for abortions" "....shhhhhhh)

I am a simple man. Does the Federal Government subsidize the USPS or not?

From what I can tell, the USPS would be showing a profit were it not for the retiree medical requirements imposed on them by Congress.

MrsM
02-06-2013, 03:03 PM
They should move to Monday, Wednesday, Friday deliveries - Mail is so slow to begin with another day won't matter

Teh One Who Knocks
02-06-2013, 03:05 PM
I am a simple man. Does the Federal Government subsidize the USPS or not?

From what I can tell, the USPS would be showing a profit were it not for the retiree medical requirements imposed on them by Congress.

No, the US Post Office does not get Federal tax dollars for operations. However, they have been borrowing money from the government to cover shortfalls, so if the USPS was to default, the taxpayers would be on the hook for all the money they have borrowed to cover their losses.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-06-2013, 03:05 PM
They should move to Monday, Wednesday, Friday deliveries - Mail is so slow to begin with another day won't matter

They should have sold it to UPS about 10 years ago or so when they were actually interested in buying it.

RBP
02-06-2013, 03:07 PM
No, the US Post Office does not get Federal tax dollars for operations. However, they have been borrowing money from the government to cover shortfalls, so if the USPS was to default, the taxpayers would be on the hook for all the money they have borrowed to cover their losses.

But borrowed to them to cover a made up pension obligation that far exceeds the funding required by any other agency. So Congress created a funding requirement then loaned them the money to pay it? Ugh, that makes my brain hurt.

FBD
02-06-2013, 03:12 PM
No matter which way you slice it, they are not able to make their budget. Yes, the pensions are a part of the budget. What's so hard about that? Showing a surplus because you're undercontributing towards pension stuff, relying on the stock market bubble to squeeze out that extra? And congress said you cant do this, if you make a promise you have to fund it, now fund it to a reasonable level that matches what the outlays will be and keep it solvent - and they dont make enough money to cover that.

So you either cut back on the benefits, charge more for delivery, or pay the current employees less. The vast majorities of businesses who actually have a bottom line to consider take care of these problems - but since the PO has this "infinitely fungible backstop" to it, they just say whatever and go on about their business! teh fk!


USPS was $16 Billion short last year. Is that all pension payments? I dont think so.

perrhaps
02-06-2013, 03:29 PM
Well, I'm turning 60 later this month, and as Harry Reid said, us old folks look forward to getting junk mail six days a week, so I think this sucks!

I mean, what are my equally-decrepid wife, our 10 year-old rottweiler and I going to do on Saturday mornings if we can't keep staring out the front picture window waiting to see if the mail truck is here yet? Go to the gym or go hiking? Fucking converse?

I want my goddamned junk mail six days a week, and I don't care if you younger folks take 30 years after I shuffle off this mortal coil to pay for it! Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it!

RBP
02-06-2013, 03:47 PM
Well, I'm turning 60 later this month, and as Harry Reid said, us old folks look forward to getting junk mail six days a week, so I think this sucks!

I mean, what are my equally-decrepid wife, our 10 year-old rottweiler and I going to do on Saturday mornings if we can't keep staring out the front picture window waiting to see if the mail truck is here yet? Go to the gym or go hiking? Fucking converse?

I want my goddamned junk mail six days a week, and I don't care if you younger folks take 30 years after I shuffle off this mortal coil to pay for it! Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it!

Epic :lol:

RBP
02-06-2013, 03:50 PM
USPS was $16 Billion short last year. Is that all pension payments? I dont think so.


Much of the Postal Service's loss in 2012 came from two defaults on a total of more than $11 billion in payments that Congress had directed USPS to pay into a fund for future retiree health benefits.

The agency was unable to make the payments, but still must account for them in financial statements.

Postal officials want Congress to pass legislation that would allow the agency to end Saturday mail delivery and run their own health plan rather than enrolling USPS employees in federal health programs, among other things.

http://news.yahoo.com/postal-reports-15-9-billion-annual-loss-160840643--sector.html

FBD
02-06-2013, 03:57 PM
so their non-pension shortfall was about 5 billion, which was the entirety of last year's loss, pensions included.

RBP
02-06-2013, 03:59 PM
Whatever, just saying it is a major issue that they should address.

Muddy
02-06-2013, 04:07 PM
Source?


No, sorry.

:FTFY:

Acid Trip
02-06-2013, 04:08 PM
US Postal Service to cut Saturday mail to trim costs

If cutting mail saves money then give me a pair of scissors and some letters!

PorkChopSandwiches
02-06-2013, 05:08 PM
3 days a week, then they wouldnt be required to provide healthcare or retirement benefits. :tup:

Muddy
02-06-2013, 05:18 PM
3 days a week, then they wouldnt be required to provide healthcare or retirement benefits. :tup:

Yeah but the federal govt would..

FBD
02-06-2013, 05:23 PM
so we'd as taxpayers be paying it either way :dance: you couldnt set it up to blow up any more efficiently.

pre-blown!

:lol:


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