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I heard this discussion this morning on the radio and thought it might be an interesting discussion here.
What constitutes cheating on your relationship partner?
One reference point was a survey done by two religious-based dating websites:
Is kissing cheating? 100% of women said yes, 86% of men.
Is online/text flirting cheating? 82% of women said yes, 56% of men.
Then there's other issues...
Is watching porn cheating? Masturbation?
Going to a strip club? Lap dances?
Phone sex? Does it matter if it's with a person they know versus anonymous?
What about a very close intimate friendship where there's nothing sexual involved?
I am sure there are other examples... please cite some!
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As for me, I have always been more concerned with emotional/intimate relationships than sex. I could get over my other half fucking someone in Vegas on a girls trip much more easily than if they have an ongoing love interest, sex or no sex - but for god's sake be honest about it. Porn and strip clubs... that's silliness, that's not cheating. This may sound weird, but ongoing flirting is more concerning to me than say, fucking a hooker.
What do you think?
If you're interested, I posted the graphic showing the full survey results... mostly about dating... just the two items on cheating.
http://tehbasement.com/showthread.php?189-Post-a-random-picture&p=411889#post411889
PorkChopSandwiches
02-08-2013, 08:42 PM
Getting oral or having sex would be cheating to my wife
But none of these
Is watching porn cheating? Masturbation?
Going to a strip club? Lap dances?
Getting oral or having sex would be cheating to my wife
But none of these
Is watching porn cheating? Masturbation?
Going to a strip club? Lap dances?
Not kissing either?
DemonGeminiX
02-08-2013, 09:04 PM
What constitutes cheating on your relationship partner?
I would say physical intimacy/sex/etc with someone other than your significant other. If you're spending time with someone else and you're actively and consciously trying to hide those activities from your significant other, then regardless if there's a physical side or not, it's cheating. But then again, there could be parameters involved that changes things. Do swingers cheat?
Is kissing cheating? Yes.
Is online/text flirting cheating? Depends on the parameters of your relationship, but more than likely yes.
Is watching porn cheating? No.
Masturbation? No.
Going to a strip club? No.
Lap dances? No.
Phone sex? I would say yes, but then again, it depends on the parameters of your relationship.
Does it matter if it's with a person they know versus anonymous? Not really.
What about a very close intimate friendship where there's nothing sexual involved? Define close intimate friendship explicitly. If you feel in your heart that you want to be with the other person and again you're consciously trying to hide it from your SO, then in all likelihood, it's cheating. Basically, if you have to ask because it feels like it's cheating, then it's cheating.
If you feel like your actions could hurt your significant other, then it's cheating.
I'm not much for country but the song is absolutely true, your cheating heart will tell on you.
Of course, if you're a cold callous fucker who feels nothing at all, then I suppose it would be very easy to lie and cheat inside of a relationship without giving a shit about the consequences. In that case, you've got bigger problems, since that's more indicative of sociopathic tendencies.
I heard this discussion this morning on the radio and thought it might be an interesting discussion here.
What constitutes cheating on your relationship partner?
One reference point was a survey done by two religious-based dating websites:
Is kissing cheating? 100% of women said yes, 86% of men.
Is online/text flirting cheating? 82% of women said yes, 56% of men.
Then there's other issues...
Is watching porn cheating? Masturbation?
Going to a strip club? Lap dances?
Phone sex? Does it matter if it's with a person they know versus anonymous?
What about a very close intimate friendship where there's nothing sexual involved?
I am sure there are other examples... please cite some!
================================================== =========================
As for me, I have always been more concerned with emotional/intimate relationships than sex. I could get over my other half fucking someone in Vegas on a girls trip much more easily than if they have an ongoing love interest, sex or no sex - but for god's sake be honest about it. Porn and strip clubs... that's silliness, that's not cheating. This may sound weird, but ongoing flirting is more concerning to me than say, fucking a hooker.
What do you think?
yes
no
no/no
no/no
yes/no
no
yes
no
no/no
no/no
yes/no
no
So a lap dance is not cheating but phone sex is... that's interesting.
So a lap dance is not cheating but phone sex is... that's interesting.
Definitely yes if it's with someone you know, with anonymous it's a bit fuzzy but it would still fall in the yes. Can't really explain why though.
PorkChopSandwiches
02-08-2013, 11:00 PM
Not kissing either?
She wouldnt like that
DemonGeminiX
02-08-2013, 11:08 PM
It's really hard to say objectively for certain that X is "cheating, period" when so many couples look at their relationships in so many different ways. People define the boundaries of their relationships by their own set of values and those values could vary widely from one person or couple to the next. It's not like back in the day when society had a set of standards that was on display everywhere as far as thee eye could see, and it was what everybody expected and aspired to be. It's not Leave it to Beaver anymore. The world has moved on since then. A lot of lines are blurred when looking from one couple to the next. Like I said before, are swingers cheating? Similarly, is it "cheating" if the couple in question has an "open relationship" (which I don't agree with, btw)? Polygamists don't think they're cheating, but do you think polygamy is cheating?
I think the answers you're going to get are purely subjective, regardless of how philosophical we try to make it. I know I'm trying to play the devil's advocate, but really, my yes/no answers are really what I feel. I would say for me, if I knew that my significant other would be hurt by whatever I may have done (take your pick from your specific options in your first post), then I would seriously consider curbing that behavior that she would be hurt by, regardless of my personal opinion or belief on the matter. Such is the sacrifice I would make for my significant other if I was in a declared committed relationship and was dedicated to making it work.
Our thoughts and opinions are a product of our experiences and that's what you're going to get. You'd have to do a serious long term study over millions of couples to get an idea of what the "generally accepted definition of cheating" really is. Where's Kinsey when you need him?
Is kissing cheating? Yes.
Is online/text flirting cheating? Depends, a bit of harmless banter online then no, texting however I feel is a litle closer to home, its way more personal and private so I dont think I would feel comfortable with that.
Is watching porn cheating? No.
Masturbation? No.
Going to a strip club? No.
Lap dances? No.
Phone sex? Yes.
I've never been one to be jealous I'm fairly easy going however, what I do struggle with is the blatant dispays of affection for an ex like the long lingering hugs and the 'just going for dinner' that has pretty much cut it dead for me.
It's really hard to say objectively for certain that X is "cheating, period" when so many couples look at their relationships in so many different ways. People define the boundaries of their relationships by their own set of values and those values could vary widely from one person or couple to the next. It's not like back in the day when society had a set of standards that was on display everywhere as far as thee eye could see, and it was what everybody expected and aspired to be. It's not Leave it to Beaver anymore. The world has moved on since then. A lot of lines are blurred when looking from one couple to the next. Like I said before, are swingers cheating? Similarly, is it "cheating" if the couple in question has an "open relationship" (which I don't agree with, btw)? Polygamists don't think they're cheating, but do you think polygamy is cheating?
I think the answers you're going to get are purely subjective, regardless of how philosophical we try to make it. I know I'm trying to play the devil's advocate, but really, my yes/no answers are really what I feel. I would say for me, if I knew that my significant other would be hurt by whatever I may have done (take your pick from your specific options in your first post), then I would seriously consider curbing that behavior that she would be hurt by, regardless of my personal opinion or belief on the matter. Such is the sacrifice I would make for my significant other if I was in a declared committed relationship and was dedicated to making it work.
Our thoughts and opinions are a product of our experiences and that's what you're going to get. You'd have to do a serious long term study over millions of couples to get an idea of what the "generally accepted definition of cheating" really is. Where's Kinsey when you need him?
It does vary by person and relationship, you're right. The point here wasn't to generalize or come up with trends, but just to see what each of thinks when we think of cheating.
DemonGeminiX
02-09-2013, 12:02 AM
:oops:
Sorry, I'm just mulling over junk... mentally beating the dead horse.
Hal-9000
02-09-2013, 07:37 PM
kissing - yes
phone sex - yes
intimate texts - yes
everything else - no
On the same subject I started seeing a coworker...at one point I knew that she liked me, so I leaned her back in her chair and kissed her. I told her it was a big line that was crossed and it changes relationships. She said a kiss was nothing and that I was old fashioned :oops: I politely informed her that I don't kiss the majority of my coworkers and she finally understood.
kissing - yes
phone sex - yes
intimate texts - yes
everything else - no
On the same subject I started seeing a coworker...at one point I knew that she liked me, so I leaned her back in her chair and kissed her. I told her it was a big line that was crossed and it changes relationships. She said a kiss was nothing and that I was old fashioned :oops: I politely informed her that I don't kiss the majority of my coworkers and she finally understood.
I would assume you think more than kissing is as well lol... and stop sexually harassing your coworkers! :P
lol...well, getting to the root of mind, cutting off the root of drain of spirit-essence-energy, I try to direct the entirety of my feelings - physical or otherwise, in one direction - teh wife.
lol...well, getting to the root of mind, cutting off the root of drain of spirit-essence-energy, I try to direct the entirety of my feelings - physical or otherwise, in one direction - teh wife.
I rarely understand a thing you say. :P
Hal-9000
02-09-2013, 07:51 PM
I would assume you think more than kissing is as well lol... and stop sexually harassing your coworkers! :P
It was great :lol: we had a larger staff and did the birthday cake thing. For one brief shining instant in time we were alone in the office she worked in. She had some icing on her lip, I bent her back in her chair and went tongue-searching. I said the classic - I'm sorry but you had some crud on your lips and I was trying to help get it off :lol: She swooned and was red faced. Probably from the thought of the email she was composing in her mind to HR :lol:
Noilly Pratt
02-09-2013, 08:21 PM
A lot of it is Intent...what is in your heart, and also what you've generally agreed with your partner on.
Is kissing cheating? If it's just a peck, a friendly kiss with a friend, then no. But if either she or I have romantic intentions, then the answer changes to yes. Friendly peck -:cool: . French Kissing - :hand:
Is online/text flirting cheating? No - but it depends how far it goes. Again, why are you doing it? What's the goal? If it's just to banter, to have a laugh, then it's not cheating...if you are doing it to stimulate either one of you, then you are cheating in your mind and going down a road that will only lead to someone getting hurt. :axe:
Is watching porn cheating? No. Perhaps this is research on new techniques..."honest, honey. This girl is amazing...she can do the complete Kama Sutra!" :)
I was just talking with a friend and how our spouses instead of the "are you surfing porn sites" inquisition, for me its "are you surfing Mustang sites" and for him "are you surfing BMW sites?" :D
Masturbation? No.
Going to a strip club? No. Every time I've gone for stag do's, I find I'm more pitying for the performer...I don't enjoy it. Much. OK, maybe a little with that little blonde in pale blue spandex that one time when I'd had that home brew beer (god that was strong). But that's it. Really. :shifty:
Lap dances? To me, yes, but your mileage may vary...all about Intent again. For me to get a lap dance, I think that it's getting gratification from a living human being, and I would not go there. I would know how that would make my partner feel, and I wouldn't put her through that. [-(
If you had a choice between going out with your partner and doing something else and you pick the something else, then you'd best seek help or seek another partner because you should want to be with them, given a choice. They should rock your world and she yours, and if they don't, don't seek it elsewhere. Work it out and be amazing with each other.
Phone sex? Again I wouldn't but for some it's a grey area. See lap dances.
Does it matter if it's with a person they know versus anonymous? Not really. If it's in your heart and mind, a stranger or non-stranger.
What about a very close intimate friendship where there's nothing sexual involved? I have close female friends, and we spend time with each other, but apart from hugging, it goes no further.
I rarely understand a thing you say. :P
sometimes ya gotta think twice, sometimes I do :dance:
sometimes ya gotta think twice, sometimes I do :dance:
I have no idea what that means either :lol:
Hal-9000
02-09-2013, 08:25 PM
Good points Noilly...I'm a hugger and a toucher and unless you're grinding pelvic areas that's all pretty much innocent.
Hal-9000
02-09-2013, 08:26 PM
I have no idea what that means either :lol:
I think of FBD as kind of an idiot savant poster...in the kindest and most admirable sense of the expression :lol:
Noilly Pratt
02-09-2013, 08:40 PM
Good points Noilly...I'm a hugger and a toucher and unless you're grinding pelvic areas that's all pretty much innocent.
More than once I've had male friends say "you putting moves on my girl?" And I wasn't. It was just mutual flirting.
"Charm" as my dad would call it. "Game" as they call it now I think. My wife when we first were serious was a bit jealous...I'd say something that'd make the checkout girl giggle. But she quickly knew I had no intentions on that girl, that it was my way of conversing and I didn't take it very far. "Robert Downey Jr. Charm" as my wife puts it. I have it, sometimes.
Women quickly pick up on what your intent is. If the goal is not romance, then it's just banter and it happens. If not, you will be shut down quickly. They are the experts while you are in the remedial class! :)
Hal-9000
02-09-2013, 08:45 PM
I compliment people on their hair, what they're wearing...even their fingernail polish if it's unique, both guys and girls :lol:
I get accused of flirting or whatever and usually my comment is just that...a comment
I compliment people on their hair, what they're wearing...even their fingernail polish if it's unique, both guys and girls :lol:
I get accused of flirting or whatever and usually my comment is just that...a comment
http://i.imgur.com/ZWJ1aC6.jpg
Hal-9000
02-09-2013, 08:54 PM
:lol: that's creepy
Noilly Pratt
02-09-2013, 08:58 PM
I compliment people on their hair, what they're wearing...even their fingernail polish if it's unique, both guys and girls :lol:
I get accused of flirting or whatever and usually my comment is just that...a comment
I'm sure you view it as I view it...it makes the other person feel better about themselves, so why not?
I think if you have a secure, trusting and healthy relationship (if you are in a relationship and flirting), you can go there and know where the line is to be drawn. But I certainly didn't go as far as when I was single...I've seen that happen with friends and it can border on disrespectful. Not really "cheating" per se, but...not good form for sure.
Noilly Pratt
02-09-2013, 09:08 PM
<disturbing Kanye Pic>
What a terrible shoe ad! :)
Hal-9000
02-09-2013, 10:17 PM
we have a great radio spot every week called He loves me, he loves me not.
Someone who thinks their partner is cheating calls in, they get the partner's phone number and phone provider name and then they call him (typically it's the males they go after)
The radio chick pretends to be from his phone provider and says - If you don't mind answering this quick quiz about our service, we'll send a dozen romantic roses and a card to the person of your choice.
The girl, or partner who thinks that they're being cheated on, is also on the line and stays silent.
9 times out of 10 the guy blows it and says - send the roses to Jennifer - and his partner's name is something like Karen :lol:
then the real girlfriend speaks up right after he totally incriminates himself and the fireworks begin :lol:
I shouldn't laugh because most times relationships are destroyed and it gets pretty heavy...
Lambchop
02-09-2013, 10:22 PM
Monogamy is just a social concept. We are designed for the purpose of fucking.
Just go outside and fuck everyone quickly before it's too late.
Hal-9000
02-09-2013, 10:26 PM
Monogamy is just a social concept. We are designed for the purpose of fucking.
Just go outside and fuck everyone quickly before it's too late.
I tried that but the husbands, boyfriends etc get all wound up just because I bent a stranger over the hood of my car and rogered her without warning (or lube)
people have too many hang ups :|
we have a great radio spot every week called He loves me, he loves me not.
Someone who thinks their partner is cheating calls in, they get the partner's phone number and phone provider name and then they call him (typically it's the males they go after)
The radio chick pretends to be from his phone provider and says - If you don't mind answering this quick quiz about our service, we'll send a dozen romantic roses and a card to the person of your choice.
The girl, or partner who thinks that they're being cheated on, is also on the line and stays silent.
9 times out of 10 the guy blows it and says - send the roses to Jennifer - and his partner's name is something like Karen :lol:
then the real girlfriend speaks up right after he totally incriminates himself and the fireworks begin :lol:
I shouldn't laugh because most times relationships are destroyed and it gets pretty heavy...
They do something similar on a radio show here... it would be funny if the hosts weren't so obnoxious after they bust they guy.
Hugh_Janus
02-10-2013, 09:36 AM
breaking rules/guidelines to gain an advantage
Teh One Who Knocks
02-12-2013, 06:46 PM
What constitutes cheating on your relationship partner?
Is kissing cheating? Depends on the kiss...peck on the cheek with an acquaintance? No. Kiss on the lips? I would lean towards yes.
Is online/text flirting cheating? Yes
Is watching porn cheating? Masturbation? No
Going to a strip club? Lap dances? No and anyone that thinks it is, is kinda dumb IMHO
Phone sex? Does it matter if it's with a person they know versus anonymous? Lean towards yes
What about a very close intimate friendship where there's nothing sexual involved? What does "intimate" mean?
PorkChopSandwiches
02-12-2013, 06:48 PM
Going to a strip club? Lap dances? No and anyone that thinks it is, is kinda dumb IMHO
What about a solid lap dance to completion?
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 06:49 PM
What about a solid lap dance to completion?
Sure!!!
is 50 bucks enough to cover it?
PorkChopSandwiches
02-12-2013, 06:57 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ttxhi70.gif
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 06:59 PM
I've never had a lap-dance....something about cumming inside my own clothes while a girl cock teases me, brings back junior high school memories best left forgotten :oops:
PorkChopSandwiches
02-12-2013, 07:01 PM
I had a girl finish me once in the strip club, not the best way to leave. But, there was no getting away from it
To me it's a mental connection thing - it's less the act and more your thought process that to me is cheating
Is kissing cheating? - Yes/No - to kiss someone because you want it to go further is cheating. To kiss someone to get a reaction, knowing that there is no connection is kind of a shitty thing to do - but I would not call it cheating.
Is online/text flirting cheating? Again depends on what you are getting out of it. if this is someone that you want to meet and take things further then Yes it's cheating. If it's just something to get you going and you can walk away then again it may be a shitty thing to do - but in my mind not cheating
Is watching porn cheating? No.
Masturbation? No - if it was I would be cheating very often
Going to a strip club?[/I] No. - I see it as live porn.
Lap dances? Depends - not sure what happens in a lap dance. If she is just shaking her stuff inches from your face or sitting on your clothed lap - then no... if you can touch her butt and squeeze a boob - then moving into the gray area ... if she is grabing your manhood and you are inserting or sucking on anything - then Yes - cheating
Phone sex? I see this similar to the online texting/flirting - however there seems to be more of a personal connection in hearing someone's voice - so it leans more to the cheating end of the spectrum
Does it matter if it's with a person they know versus anonymous? To me yes - if they know each other - then it's cheating. If they are strangers and will never meet, it's less cheating and more a shitty thing to do - as it becomes more of a very personal type of porn.
What about a very close intimate friendship where there's nothing sexual involved? I don't have a problem with it - but there needs to be a lot of trust.
Another way to look at it (is it cheating or not) is ask yourself the following question - would i tell my partner about this? If the answer is no - then it's probably cheating. This is why communication is so important and some couples boundries are different then others.
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 07:13 PM
*masturbates to MrsM's post and then sends a dirty text to Lance*
:oops: hope I didn't cross any lines
*masturbates to MrsM's post and then sends a dirty text to Lance*
:oops: hope I didn't cross any lines
Not in my books :)
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 07:20 PM
I kissed my coworker (with tongue) .....hope he doesn't get all butthurt and shit over it
I kissed my coworker (with tongue) .....hope he doesn't get all butthurt and shit over it
don't bend over at work - you may get butthurt over it
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 07:24 PM
95% males in our building, and one small lesbian
the pickins is slim :lol:
I have no idea what that means either :lol:
the parasympathetic efferent (efferent carries signal away from brain) nerves that emerge from the sacral nerve plexus and attaching to the mediastinum on the testicles trigger the accelerating mechanism that eventually leads to blue balls. ergo, if you never have a lustful thought, no matter how long you go without release, you will never have blue balls. that's what the root is mind means. your brain builds neural networks of habit and experience, and when you entertain a particular thoughtform, your brain patterns its responses accordingly. so if you think about sex a lot, you create a habit-energy, and all of these habit-energies are their own little 'paths of least resistance' - that's why it is said what is in your heart eventually emerges. so if you do anything spiritually based, you need the fuel if you are to make any real progress. if you do intense practices that really require every bit of resource you can muster, yet abuse the body's resources...ever left a pot of water boil, past the point where the water's gone?
I think of FBD as kind of an idiot savant poster...in the kindest and most admirable sense of the expression :lol:
hey, who you callin savant? :lol: sometimes I just dont bother to engage filters :dance:
Acid Trip
02-12-2013, 10:47 PM
Is kissing cheating? On the lips by the opposite sex, Yes. Pecks on the cheek by anyone else, No.
Is online/text flirting cheating? Yes
Is watching porn cheating? Masturbation? No and No
Going to a strip club? Lap dances? Nope
Phone sex? Does it matter if it's with a person they know versus anonymous? Yes in both cases.
What about a very close intimate friendship where there's nothing sexual involved? Emotional cheating is as painful, if not more so, than physical cheating so my answer is yes.
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 11:36 PM
Sex with stuffed animals and other inanimate, but recognizable life forms?
Sex with stuffed animals and other inanimate, but recognizable life forms?
Is there anything you would like to tell us Hal. :?
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 11:42 PM
Just wondering if it was considered cheating..
8-[
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 11:43 PM
and if so, if I have one stuffed toy that I'm sleeping with most nights and move over to let's say....a doll of some sort
cheating?
Just wondering if it was considered cheating..
8-[
:roll:
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 11:48 PM
don't roll your eyes at me Missy.....or I'll put a different mask on my Minz doll :x
don't roll your eyes at me Missy.....or I'll put a different mask on my Minz doll :x
minz doll :lol: I dread to think.... :lol:
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 11:53 PM
It has an interchangeable head attachment so sometimes it gets confusing. One night I think I'm making love to you...look down and it's Stephen Hawking (my idol) :confused:
you both have nice boobies and an excellent ass :lol:
I'm not really sure how I feel about being lumped together with Steven Hawkins. :wha:
Hal-9000
02-12-2013, 11:56 PM
you should see the other head attachments I have :rolleyes:
I may just take you're word for that. :lol:
Hal-9000
02-13-2013, 12:02 AM
when I'm in a mood....I do the Queen doggie style on the carpet :face:
it's doubly cool because our currency has her picture on it so when I'm finished rogering my doll, it's like little porno pics in my pocket for later :)
Hal-9000
02-13-2013, 12:10 AM
40% :cheers:
Noilly Pratt
02-13-2013, 02:53 AM
Monogamy is just a social concept. We are designed for the purpose of fucking.
Just go outside and fuck everyone quickly before it's too late.
"Honey, I'm not cheating....Lambchop said..." :D
Mrs. M said...
Lap dances? Depends - not sure what happens in a lap dance
Full-on Lapdances here are not allowed here -- at least in the clubs that want to remain open and not get busted by the vice squad. At a club I went to about 8 years ago, a friend paid $20 for a private dance...he was escorted to a curtained off portion of the club and the girl told him to "open your legs" and she danced and gyrated in the triangle space that he, er made for her. No touching. He asked her after she'd finished "what would happen if I had've touched you?" "I'd stop dancing, and Bruno over there would escort you back to your table."
But, I heard from a reliable source of one stag where they went to a retreat of sorts, and clothing contact was made...but nothing further.
"Honey, I'm not cheating....Lambchop said..." :D
Mrs. M said...
Full-on Lapdances here are not allowed here -- at least in the clubs that want to remain open and not get busted by the vice squad. At a club I went to about 8 years ago, a friend paid $20 for a private dance...he was escorted to a curtained off portion of the club and the girl told him to "open your legs" and she danced and gyrated in the triangle space that he, er made for her. No touching. He asked her after she'd finished "what would happen if I had've touched you?" "I'd stop dancing, and Bruno over there would escort you back to your table."
But, I heard from a reliable source of one stag where they went to a retreat of sorts, and clothing contact was made...but nothing further.
My post didn't post :-k
What I said was that the club I like (haven't been in forever) is full nude with full contact lap dances. You can't touch the dancer but she can grind you into oblivion.
that's basically how it is here, except for some reason fully & places that serve alcohol arent allowed together. so you wind up with two kinds of joints, topless bars, and dry fullies. I dont think I've had a lapdance in 12, 13 years, but a lot of these places teh grind is fully acceptable, you just have to keep your hands to yourself.
Acid Trip
02-13-2013, 03:31 PM
"Honey, I'm not cheating....Lambchop said..." :D
Mrs. M said...
Full-on Lapdances here are not allowed here -- at least in the clubs that want to remain open and not get busted by the vice squad. At a club I went to about 8 years ago, a friend paid $20 for a private dance...he was escorted to a curtained off portion of the club and the girl told him to "open your legs" and she danced and gyrated in the triangle space that he, er made for her. No touching. He asked her after she'd finished "what would happen if I had've touched you?" "I'd stop dancing, and Bruno over there would escort you back to your table."
But, I heard from a reliable source of one stag where they went to a retreat of sorts, and clothing contact was made...but nothing further.
We have full nude strip clubs where the girls rub their tits all over you, put their ass/pussy within centimeters of your face, climb on you and do acrobatic shit, and gyrate their naked ass on your crotch like there is no tomorrow.
One rule is always the same though, "The customer cannot touch the dancers at all".
that's basically how it is here, except for some reason fully & places that serve alcohol arent allowed together. so you wind up with two kinds of joints, topless bars, and dry fullies. I dont think I've had a lapdance in 12, 13 years, but a lot of these places teh grind is fully acceptable, you just have to keep your hands to yourself.
We have full nude strip clubs where the girls rub their tits all over you, put their ass/pussy within centimeters of your face, climb on you and do acrobatic shit, and gyrate their naked ass on your crotch like there is no tomorrow.
One rule is always the same though, "The customer cannot touch the dancers at all".
The one I mentioned has a full bar too :dance:
Muddy
02-13-2013, 04:29 PM
There is no sex in the champagne room..
The one I mentioned has a full bar too :dance:
good :D
did my other reply make a little more sense? :dance:
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