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Pony
08-04-2017, 03:33 PM
Yea, since the last two seasons are shorter, they are definitely accelerating the plot. Lots of action but less time for gratuitous nudity.

Hal-9000
08-04-2017, 03:41 PM
Since we've chatted, I've read the books. Currently I've been rewatching the series since the start, but I only have four seasons of downloaded episodes (nice 720p mkv's from the old days).

I decided to re-read the books while doing the rewatch...as season seven is unfolding.

Talk about GoT immersion :lol:

Pony
08-04-2017, 03:45 PM
Funny I actually bought all the paperbacks over the off season and read them, then last week rewatched the second half of last season to get caught up. A few of the differences between the books and show had me confused.

Hal-9000
08-04-2017, 03:49 PM
It goes in tandem right until a certain point in book two where people and plots diverge. Stuff happens to Person A rather than Person B. I was amazed at how many full lines were taken verbatim from the books during the early going.

I have no complaints with either form of GoT. Probably some of the best books and television I've seen :thumbsup:

Pony
08-04-2017, 04:03 PM
The only thing I didn't care for in the books was I think two books in a row only dealt with half the plot each. Then everything merged. Would have liked it better if they would have been in chronological order. I do wish some of the subplots in the books would have been the same in the show. I understand they had to cut back for TV though.

Hal-9000
08-04-2017, 04:08 PM
Sure, they've made some jarring changes at times. I did it backwards. I started watching the show, then read the books during the sixth season of the show.

So when I read, I envision the actors we've seen. Since most of the cast is great it was kind of neat to do it that way. In the past I've always read books before the TV or movie adaptations.

Pony
08-04-2017, 04:21 PM
I did the same, I didn't want to read the books first because every time I have in the past I was disappointed in the show/movie.

Show started back up this year and I thought Rikon was still alive. :banghead:

Hal-9000
08-04-2017, 04:26 PM
I like where they're at now. Martin helps and gives approval on scripts, but they've eclipsed the books so anything can happen.

It will be interesting to see if...he releases book six, how it will compare to events in the TV series. It will be completely backwards then because he'll likely write to accommodate something we've already seen. Or he may just say fook it and write the story he envisioned, seasons seven and eight be damned.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-04-2017, 04:28 PM
I like where they're at now. Martin helps and gives approval on scripts, but they've eclipsed the books so anything can happen.

It will be interesting to see if...he releases book six, how it will compare to events in the TV series. It will be completely backwards then because he'll likely write to accommodate something we've already seen. Or he may just say fook it and write the story he envisioned, seasons seven and eight be damned.

I've read that he's moved onto other projects and is in no hurry to continue on writing the next book in this series.

Hal-9000
08-04-2017, 04:50 PM
I've read that he's moved onto other projects and is in no hurry to continue on writing the next book in this series.

I think there's an odds on site where you can bet if he's going to actually finish it, and/or die before it comes out.


:lol: that's so bad

Hal-9000
08-05-2017, 06:28 AM
wow my ghetto streaming site has episode four out already

I think I'll wait until Sunday to watch to make it feel more real :thumbsup:

Hal-9000
08-05-2017, 06:31 AM
:dance:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifr13Upytb4

Pony
08-05-2017, 01:28 PM
wow my ghetto streaming site has episode four out already

I think I'll wait until Sunday to watch to make it feel more real :thumbsup:

HBO got hacked and the episode stolen. :lol:

Hal-9000
08-05-2017, 05:33 PM
:lol: I like my ghetto streaming site. They sometimes get entire seasons and post them before they air on Netflix, HBO etc

Hal-9000
08-05-2017, 06:20 PM
http://i.imgur.com/QlMmPVI.jpg

Hal-9000
08-05-2017, 06:20 PM
http://i.imgur.com/n5VpTMV.jpg

Hal-9000
08-06-2017, 01:32 AM
Episode 4 - outstanding

I'll only say this. Character porn at it's finest.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 10:29 AM
http://i.imgur.com/JsgTvxU.gif

DemonGeminiX
08-07-2017, 11:02 AM
That episode kicked all kinds of ass.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 11:03 AM
I have to say, I'm almost kinda sad that Jamie (most likely) didn't die in a ball of flames.

DemonGeminiX
08-07-2017, 11:05 AM
I've been wondering how Tyrion would have reacted if he had died. As messed up as the Lannister family is, it's evident that Tyrion still loves his brother.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 11:10 AM
Yeah, you could tell from his expression watching the whole thing unfold that he still cares for his brother and his whole family, I think it really pained him to see the Lannister army get it's collective ass kicked by the Dothraki and the dragon.

DemonGeminiX
08-07-2017, 11:18 AM
Arya getting the best of Brienne made me chuckle. :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 11:24 AM
Who taught you that? :-s


Nobody 8-)


:lol:

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 04:20 PM
Tyrion and co. is going to haul Jaime out of the water, they will capture Bronn as well, take them both back to the Batcave. There, all of the Superfriends (Dany, Jon, Varys, Davos) will convince Jaime and Bronn that the White Walker threat is real. Then, they will allow Jaime to try to convince Cersei...and that will start conflict between Cersei and Jaime because she gives no effs and won't listen.

hal R R Martin

I loved this episode. We got so many pairings and appearances it felt like a movie. Out of all of the exchanges I liked this one the most:

Jaime - It's Rickon isn't it?
Dickon - Dickon
Bronn *laughs out loud*

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 05:30 PM
I like how Bran freaked out Littlefinger in their meeting when he gave Bran the dagger. I didn't catch the whole thing at first until I read a recap of the episode. Littlefinger mentioned chaos to Bran and Bran replied "Chaos? Chaos is a ladder." and that refers to a conversation that Littlefinger had with Varys way back in season 2 (I think it said season 2) when they were both discussing their grand visions and how Littlefinger basically was stating how he wanted to be ruler at whatever cost. From his expression it looked like that freaked Littlefinger right the fuck out :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 05:31 PM
Do you think that John will finally bend the fucking knee? It's all Dany keeps harping about :lol:

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 06:17 PM
I like how Bran freaked out Littlefinger in their meeting when he gave Bran the dagger. I didn't catch the whole thing at first until I read a recap of the episode. Littlefinger mentioned chaos to Bran and Bran replied "Chaos? Chaos is a ladder." and that refers to a conversation that Littlefinger had with Varys way back in season 2 (I think it said season 2) when they were both discussing their grand visions and how Littlefinger basically was stating how he wanted to be ruler at whatever cost. From his expression it looked like that freaked Littlefinger right the fuck out :lol:

I caught that in real time :lol: There's a lot of theories about Bran. If he truly has seen every event from the past he knows Littlefinger's role in a bunch of deaths. So why doesn't he just tell someone else? My thought is that Bran knows Littlefinger has to play a role in an upcoming event or it won't occur, then Littlefinger dies a horrible death :lol:

Another theory is that Bran doesn't know everything. I really liked Littlefinger's quantum mechanics conversation with Sansa before Bran showed up. In his advice to Sansa, he was essentially describing what Bran does.

This is why the show is so great. Callbacks that make sense from seasons past. :thumbsup:

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 06:19 PM
Do you think that John will finally bend the fucking knee? It's all Dany keeps harping about :lol:

Yeah bend the knee if he's gonna pile drive her doggy style :lol:

Did you catch the small undertone of sexual tension between them this week? Hey Aunti Dany, lookin good :naughty:

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 06:23 PM
I listen to a recap about the show, nothing too serious. They don't examine every frame and over analyze things. Some of the theories are pretty interesting about where people think the show will go.

We could literally have Jaime, Bronn, Tyrion, Dany, Jon, Davos, Arya, Tormund, The Hound...all fighting together at The Wall against White Walkers.

Then again it's Game of Thrones so it's likely half the cast will be dead by then and the first White Walker they see will be Hodor :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 06:24 PM
http://i.imgur.com/1qqfyQu.jpg

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 06:25 PM
I was surprised they finally showed that in a battle scene. Pretty brave considering our sensitive society.

Did people note it was a Dothraki warrior who cut the horse's leg? They honor and worship horses...as well as eat them :lol:

#thumbsupforrealism

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 06:49 PM
I believe this show will be like the final season of Battlestar Galactica. We're going to see some beloved characters die, and probably their deaths won't be pleasant.

There is no way this series finishes with anything approaching a happy ending. My theory is the last shot is the Night King sitting on the Iron Throne.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 06:57 PM
I can honestly say that I have no idea how this show will end, other than I agree with you that it won't be a happy ending.

Maybe Cersei will remain on the Iron Throne and defeat everyone/thing :-k

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 06:58 PM
Well, the Lannister dragon killing catapult seems to be mostly a dud. It will take one hell of a lucky shot to kill one of her dragons, never mind if all three are there and attacking at the same time.

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 07:04 PM
I can honestly say that I have no idea how this show will end, other than I agree with you that it won't be a happy ending.

Maybe Cersei will remain on the Iron Throne and defeat everyone/thing :-k

The two main writers (D&D) apparently have most of the scripts vetted and ok'd by Martin.

Hopefully that means his end-vision is intact for the most part. Did you read about the Hodor episode? He was instrumental in writing it because at that point they had eclipsed the books. He said he always had the Hodor origin story and wanted to ensure it appeared. Have to think the endgame for the TV series is being handled the same way.

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 07:14 PM
Well, the Lannister dragon killing catapult seems to be mostly a dud. It will take one hell of a lucky shot to kill one of her dragons, never mind if all three are there and attacking at the same time.

A lot of people on the net put down the crossbow and made fun of it. I'm in the other camp. They had only one, never before used, and it hit a dragon and hurt it during the first battle. Normal arrows and swords weren't doing much :lol: If they could somehow disguise 10 or 20 of them and get them to shoot at the same time, who knows?

A certain balancing is taking place on both sides. At first it looked liked Dany's forces could not be stopped and would easily take over Westoros in one episode. Then Cersie's forces roll over Highgarden and Euron's fleet decimates Yara and Theon's. Then add one dragon and some Dothrakis, Cersei's forces are now hooped and we're back thinking Dany has got this thing.

I really like seeing tactical situations like the Unsullied being screwed at Casterly Rock because of an intelligent move on the other side.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 07:22 PM
I really like seeing tactical situations like the Unsullied being screwed at Casterly Rock because of an intelligent move on the other side.

Which Jamie admitted he learned from getting out maneuvered by Rob Stark :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 07:27 PM
Poor Podrick, getting his ass kicked by Brienne before Arya stepped in...will he ever learn to fight even a little :lol:

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 07:27 PM
Which Jamie admitted he learned from getting out maneuvered by Rob Stark :lol:

:lol: I can't help but like the guy now. When he finally explained to Brienne in about season three or whenever they were caught, about why he killed the mad king...I was sold.

I suspect him and Cersei are headed to a confrontation, and one of them will die.

You've heard the expression 'plot armor', meaning the character is too important to die on the show? No one has plot armor on this show, there ain't no dumpsters in Westoros :hand:

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 07:29 PM
Poor Podrick, getting his ass kicked by Brienne before Arya stepped in...will he ever learn to fight even a little :lol:

Pod is great :lol:

Remember how he had some secret sexual power over the women and whores? I really wish they would have showed a scene with him and Brienne after having sex, her smoking and looking exhausted, him with a little smile on his face.

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 07:31 PM
How about this...Cersei is converted by the Night King and we get to see her with that wicked smile as a White Walker? The Night Queen *shivers*

I'm not sure how the White Walker thing works though. When they get to warmer climates do they melt or become weaker?

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 07:47 PM
How about this...Cersei is converted by the Night King and we get to see her with that wicked smile as a White Walker? The Night Queen *shivers*

I'm not sure how the White Walker thing works though. When they get to warmer climates do they melt or become weaker?

That's a good question...did they make it all the way to Dragonstone where the cave paintings were or did someone see them and travel all that way south and paint them there?

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 07:52 PM
That's a good question...did they make it all the way to Dragonstone where the cave paintings were or did someone see them and travel all that way south and paint them there?

That's a good question as well. The White Walkers and Children of the Forest couldn't have traveled that far south, could they?

Guy who runs the recap site says - How does Dany know Jon just didn't take out the magic marker and create those images :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 07:54 PM
:lol:

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 07:56 PM
Jon does quite well in caves...first Ygritte, then it's - Hey Dany, come down here alone and look at me drawrings :naughty:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 08:00 PM
Here's a good question to ponder....who will Bran weird out next? :lol:

Kind of sad to see the way he treated Meera when she was trying to say goodbye.

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 08:00 PM
I was going to hate the episode at the start. Dany was upset with Tyrion and his clever ideas failing and says she's going to take the dragon and roast some people. Then Jon says if you do that, you just become like the people who hurt and oppress other people with cruelty.

And then Dany says screw this and saddles up anyway :thumbsup: That's why I love this show so much. Expectation is overruled by emotion and action.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-07-2017, 08:03 PM
I was going to hate the episode at the start. Dany was upset with Tyrion and his clever ideas failing and says she's going to take the dragon and roast some people. Then Jon says if you do that, you just become like the people who hurt and oppress other people with cruelty.

And then Dany says screw this and saddles up anyway :thumbsup: That's why I love this show so much. Expectation is overruled by emotion and action.

Yes, but she chose her target wisely, she didn't go and burn down King's Landing like she might have been thinking. After Jon told her not to be like the ones previous, she decided to go and attack the army, which in war no one would question.

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 08:06 PM
Here's a good question to ponder....who will Bran weird out next? :lol:

Kind of sad to see the way he treated Meera when she was trying to say goodbye.

For sure. She hauls his 6'2'', 37 year old ass from The Three Eyed Raven tree down to The Wall, and then past that to Winterfell and all he says is - thanks?

I was trying to imagine if he knows everything, that would certainly cause a huge block when trying to talk to people or even take an action. But things like thanking someone like Meera can't fit into that - I won't say much because it may upset some space-time continuum thing.

The Sansa comment was such a unique choice :lol: That's what makes me wonder if he really has seen all events, or just a few. I'm going with the latter.

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 08:07 PM
Yes, but she chose her target wisely, she didn't go and burn down King's Landing like she might have been thinking. After Jon told her not to be like the ones previous, she decided to go and attack the army, which in war no one would question.

Yes she made the better moral choice :thumbsup:

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 08:13 PM
So here's my theory that has been met with some upvotes and likes on the net.

You're aware of the R+L=J mention and what that means. I think that since Jon's Dad was Targaryen, he may be more fire than ice. If so, he may have some magical internal ability we haven't seen yet and use it on the White Walkers. Everyone is misdirected by the Jon is ice and Dany is fire, that's what the phrase applies to. When really, it may be describing Jon in totality.

It may not matter as most of the net is hung up on the third head of the dragon from the prophecy, that could be a prince or princess. I agree with the theory that Tyrion is the third head, because his Dad was really a Targaryen.

Hal-9000
08-07-2017, 08:35 PM
So I understand that some people don't like Melisandre. So why in the name of the old gods and new didn't she hang around and tell people she brought Jon Snow back to life?

Wouldn't that have gone a long way in helping convince a group of people about supernatural stuff like White Walkers?

Pony
08-08-2017, 10:59 AM
So I understand that some people don't like Melisandre. So why in the name of the old gods and new didn't she hang around and tell people she brought Jon Snow back to life?

Wouldn't that have gone a long way in helping convince a group of people about supernatural stuff like White Walkers?

They probably wouldn't have believed her and the Onion Knight swore he would kill her if he saw her again?

Pony
08-08-2017, 11:03 AM
That's a good question as well. The White Walkers and Children of the Forest couldn't have traveled that far south, could they?

Guy who runs the recap site says - How does Dany know Jon just didn't take out the magic marker and create those images :lol:

I assumed that during the Children and the First men there was a really bad winter that made it all the way south. The Children used to be all over the land. They grew the trees that are everywhere.

Pony
08-08-2017, 11:03 AM
So, does anyone else think that at some point we will see Jon Snow riding one of the other dragons against the White Walkers?

Hal-9000
08-08-2017, 03:10 PM
So, does anyone else think that at some point we will see Jon Snow riding one of the other dragons against the White Walkers?

I think that's what R+L=J really means.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-08-2017, 03:14 PM
So, does anyone else think that at some point we will see Jon Snow riding one of the other dragons against the White Walkers?

Not in that outfit he's always wearing, he's in the tropics still dressed like it 10 below zero FFS :hand:

Hal-9000
08-08-2017, 03:15 PM
It's his brooding outfit

DemonGeminiX
08-08-2017, 08:31 PM
I think that's what R+L=J really means.

R(haegar Targaryen)+ L(yanna Stark) = J(on Snow). That was pretty much confirmed through Bran's vision, the quick cut from the baby in the vision to Jon.

Hal-9000
08-08-2017, 09:02 PM
R(haegar Targaryen)+ L(yanna Stark) = J(on Snow). That was pretty much confirmed through Bran's vision, the quick cut from the baby in the vision to Jon.

Good Lord I know that :lol:

I'm talking about the implication of what it means to have a Targaryen for a father. The net is trying to figure out ascension over Dany. Is Jon actually entitled to be ruler after the mad king was killed.

My comment refers to his Targaryen blood, dragons etc. Does it mean a whole lot more than ascension and heredity rights. I say yes.

DemonGeminiX
08-08-2017, 09:30 PM
Good Lord I know that :lol:

I'm talking about the implication of what it means to have a Targaryen for a father. The net is trying to figure out ascension over Dany. Is Jon actually entitled to be ruler after the mad king was killed.

My comment refers to his Targaryen blood, dragons etc. Does it mean a whole lot more than ascension and heredity rights. I say yes.

Jon is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen, who was the eldest of the 3 Targaryen siblings. If his true parentage is revealed and assuming we negate Robert's Rebellion, then Jon should be the rightful heir to the Iron Throne... over Dany.

Hal-9000
08-08-2017, 10:54 PM
Jon is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen, who was the eldest of the 3 Targaryen siblings. If his true parentage is revealed and assuming we negate Robert's Rebellion, then Jon should be the rightful heir to the Iron Throne... over Dany.

Boy I'm really not making a simple point here. You probably haven't read the latest few posts, but I've read the books twice and I'm on a Game of Thrones recap forum.

Pony said does anyone else think we may see Jon riding the dragons? I supported by saying 'that's what I think R+L=J really means'.

It's not about all of the lineage crap being discussed on the net (your umm, instructional posts are the same thing). What I am referring to is a magical element tied into his 'dragon Targaryen' blood, that may help him ride the dragons or have some other special ability.

Make sense? :lol: thanks.

Hal-9000
08-08-2017, 11:04 PM
Jon is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen, who was the eldest of the 3 Targaryen siblings. If his true parentage is revealed and assuming we negate Robert's Rebellion, then Jon should be the rightful heir to the Iron Throne... over Dany.


Now I can address this as my other post didn't really apply to ascension rules. Actually, the above may be incorrect my friend.

Rhaegar was married to Elia, Lyanna was betrothed to Robert. Even if we take Robert out of the picture, Rhaegar had two children with legal wife Elia, a boy and a girl.

Jon would have been a bastard once again :lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-08-2017, 11:11 PM
Those 2 kids were killed by Gregor Clegane in Robert's Rebellion. He killed Elia as well. It was one of the closing events of Robert's Rebellion. Jon's the only heir left.

I don't think it's "magical" that Dany can ride dragons. They trust her because she raised and trained them. I suppose Jon could survive fire like Dany does, but much like a rider has to develop a relationship with a horse so it doesn't throw him, he may have to establish a relationship with them before they'll let him within 50 yards of them without feeling anxious about him.

Hal-9000
08-08-2017, 11:25 PM
Yes but he is not a true heir because he came from a different mother, the result a the secret affair with Lyanna, correct? How many bastard born children in that world get rights to the throne?

I don't know what abilities Jon's Targaryen blood will give him. I'm merely trying to say that the world is making a big deal about his possible right to the throne*, and I'm saying the show may reveal his Targaryen background will give him other benefits. Kind of a pump-fake if you will on the fans.

*that can be another separate discussion for another time. Even if Jon wasn't a bastard, let's say he hears that his lineage trumps Dany. How would it be proved and who would care/or honor it? Dany...Cersei? :lol: Bran is the only person alive who witnessed the flashback in the Tower of Joy and it was a vision.

DemonGeminiX
08-09-2017, 12:16 AM
Yes but he is not a true heir because he came from a different mother, the result a the secret affair with Lyanna, correct? How many bastard born children in that world get rights to the throne?

I don't know what abilities Jon's Targaryen blood will give him. I'm merely trying to say that the world is making a big deal about his possible right to the throne*, and I'm saying the show may reveal his Targaryen background will give him other benefits. Kind of a pump-fake if you will on the fans.

*that can be another separate discussion for another time. Even if Jon wasn't a bastard, let's say he hears that his lineage trumps Dany. How would it be proved and who would care/or honor it? Dany...Cersei? :lol: Bran is the only person alive who witnessed the flashback in the Tower of Joy and it was a vision.

Remember Gendry the blacksmith? Supposedly a bastard of Robert Baratheon, they get him out of sight because he can revive the Baratheon line and could lay claim to the throne. That's what Ned was trying to do before the Lannisters killed him: Delegitimize Cersei and Jaime's kids and get Gendry on the throne. Bastards can be legitimized (e.g. Ramsey Snow/Bolton) to lay claim to their fathers' titles and lands, but they have to be officially legitimized to do it. I don't think you need your father around to do it either. I suppose if you could get enough people to vouch for you and provide enough circumstantial evidence, then you can get people to believe it and recognize it officially.

Actually, there was the dude in Bran's vision that saved Ned's life at the tower: Howland Reed. He was an ally of Ned Stark and father to Meera and Jojen. Technically, Howland's still alive somewhere. He may know the truth. Also, I'm pretty sure Benjen Stark knows the truth about Jon and he's still alive, lurking around the North somewhere. Ned probably made Benjen swear that he wouldn't tell Jon, if Benjen does know, that is.

And why not trust Bran's visions? He's a greenseer now. If he can prove that he is a greenseer, then people might accept what he says about Jon's lineage. Dany probably has a way to prove that Jon's a Targaryen. She might not do it because she wants the throne for herself...

Jon's actively claimed that he doesn't want any noble title or throne. Everybody keeps electing him to it. If it comes out that he's an heir to the throne, he may be pushed by his bannermen and other allies to make a play for the Iron Throne for himself. Or maybe not.

Honestly, I think Jon's Azor Ahai reborn. Maybe he does have special abilities and maybe they'll come into play in the coming war against the Others.

Or everyone could die incredibly horribly random deaths in the next episode and background characters could come up and take over.

DemonGeminiX
08-09-2017, 12:17 AM
Yes but he is not a true heir because he came from a different mother, the result a the secret affair with Lyanna, correct? How many bastard born children in that world get rights to the throne?

I don't know what abilities Jon's Targaryen blood will give him. I'm merely trying to say that the world is making a big deal about his possible right to the throne*, and I'm saying the show may reveal his Targaryen background will give him other benefits. Kind of a pump-fake if you will on the fans.

*that can be another separate discussion for another time. Even if Jon wasn't a bastard, let's say he hears that his lineage trumps Dany. How would it be proved and who would care/or honor it? Dany...Cersei? :lol: Bran is the only person alive who witnessed the flashback in the Tower of Joy and it was a vision.

Remember Gendry the blacksmith? Supposedly a bastard of Robert Baratheon, they get him out of sight because he can revive the Baratheon line and could lay claim to the throne. That's what Ned was trying to do before the Lannisters killed him: Delegitimize Cersei and Jaime's kids and get Gendry on the throne. Bastards can be legitimized (e.g. Ramsey Snow/Bolton) to lay claim to their fathers' titles and lands, but they have to be officially legitimized to do it. I don't think you need your father around to do it either. I suppose if you could get enough people to vouch for you and provide enough circumstantial evidence, then you can get people to believe it and recognize it officially.

Actually, there was the dude in Bran's vision that saved Ned's life at the tower: Howland Reed. He was an ally of Ned Stark and father to Meera and Jojen. Technically, Howland's still alive somewhere. He may know the truth. Also, I'm pretty sure Benjen Stark knows the truth about Jon and he's still alive, lurking around the North somewhere. Ned probably made Benjen swear that he wouldn't tell Jon, if Benjen does know, that is.

And why not trust Bran's visions? He's a greenseer now. If he can prove that he is a greenseer, then people might accept what he says about Jon's lineage. Dany probably has a way to prove that Jon's a Targaryen. She might not do it because she wants the throne for herself...

Jon's actively claimed that he doesn't want any noble title or throne. Everybody keeps electing him to it. If it comes out that he's an heir to the throne, he may be pushed by his bannermen and other allies to make a play for the Iron Throne for himself. Or maybe not.

Honestly, I think Jon's Azor Ahai reborn. Maybe he does have special abilities and maybe they'll come into play in the coming war against the Others.

Or everyone could die incredibly horribly random deaths in the next episode and background characters could come up and take over.

Hal-9000
08-09-2017, 01:57 AM
I understand about the legitimization process, usually it's done by the living king who is the actual father. I'm not sure if they bypass that rule in GoT.

Howland Reed occupies the same space as Syrio Forel for me, a character I definitely need to see again. But as you touched on, Ned was alone with Lyanna in that room so it's conjecture that Reed would know anything about the secret. (would Ned betray her deathbed trust?) Maybe that's why we haven't seen Reed. They could be saving him for a big reveal...

I don't think the majority of Westoros would believe in Bran's visions/greenseeing. Keep in mind the Starks had no idea what it was until the Reed kids showed up. Most people hardly believed in White Walkers unless they lived north of The Wall, much less past and future visions. Same with dragons. Only legends (until recently), even when people saw the skulls under the Red Keep.

Bran's visions, Jon being the true heir to the Iron throne fall into the same category. Without definitive proof no one in that world is just going to lay down their swords and change allegiances based on one person's claim. Stannis sent ravens to every corner of Westoros saying Jaime boned Cersei and that Joffrey and Tommen are not true heirs. There was a lot of support for his claim and no change.

I think you and I have different views on how the denizens of Westoros could react to certain plot points. Yes as viewers we know what is true, yet judging on past behavior no one is going to relinquish power based on what you must admit is really flimsy evidence.

I like your prediction about Jon possibly being Azor Ahai reborn. That's in line with my original comment/suspicion that Jon is something else other than the Iron King. Something special...
He's a special Jon Snowflake :D

Teh One Who Knocks
08-09-2017, 10:13 AM
Or maybe it will all end up like the finale of 'Newhart' and Ned Stark will wake up and it will really be Boromir having a fantastical dream about the whole thing? :-k

DemonGeminiX
08-09-2017, 11:53 AM
:-s

That would be awful.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-09-2017, 11:56 AM
People loved the Newhart finale :hand:

(personally I hated it)

DemonGeminiX
08-09-2017, 11:58 AM
:-k

So would this be like the night before Boromir takes 20 arrows to the gut (and one to the knee)?

Teh One Who Knocks
08-09-2017, 12:37 PM
Sure, it could be anytime before then :tup:

Hal-9000
08-09-2017, 05:01 PM
Or maybe it will all end up like the finale of 'Newhart' and Ned Stark will wake up and it will really be Boromir having a fantastical dream about the whole thing? :-k

:lol:


Frodo, you'll never believe this. I had a dream and in it you were my family. Your name was Bran, Samwise was Arya, Gimli was Jon Snow and Legolas was Sansa.

Hal-9000
08-09-2017, 05:02 PM
People loved the Newhart finale :hand:

(personally I hated it)

I thought it was really creative and incredibly funny.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-09-2017, 05:05 PM
:lol:


Frodo, you'll never believe this. I had a dream and in it you were my family. Your name was Bran, Samwise was Arya, Gimli was Jon Snow and Legolas was Sansa.

:dance:

Hal-9000
08-10-2017, 08:01 PM
Bran the Builder lives! :shock:

They're putting up a big blue wall by my house


http://i.imgur.com/KSdVqMS.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/RzMX9Be.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
08-10-2017, 08:12 PM
:-k

Hal-9000
08-10-2017, 08:23 PM
Bill Stark - The new school year is coming!

*nods head knowingly*

Hal-9000
08-11-2017, 06:45 PM
I really liked the scene with Sansa and Ayra where they both say that life has been hard since they left Winterfell.

S - I was raped and abused by two lords.
A - Oh yeah? I was blinded and physically beaten by an assassin.
S - I had to jump down 20 feet into a large snowdrift.
A - You win.

DemonGeminiX
08-14-2017, 05:03 AM
Now I can address this as my other post didn't really apply to ascension rules. Actually, the above may be incorrect my friend.

Rhaegar was married to Elia, Lyanna was betrothed to Robert. Even if we take Robert out of the picture, Rhaegar had two children with legal wife Elia, a boy and a girl.

Jon would have been a bastard once again :lol:

Per this current episode: Prince Rhaegar had his marriage annulled by High Septon Maynard and was simultaneously married again in a secret ceremony in Dorne. If that comes to light, Jon's not a bastard anymore.

DemonGeminiX
08-14-2017, 05:14 AM
... and I bet the dragon knows that Jon's related to Daenerys after sniffing him.

DemonGeminiX
08-14-2017, 07:31 AM
Episode 6's gonna rock so fucking hard.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-14-2017, 10:27 AM
... and I bet the dragon knows that Jon's related to Daenerys after sniffing him.

Or....maybe the dragon was just noticing that Jon's deodorant was wearing off :-k

DemonGeminiX
08-14-2017, 11:18 AM
:hand:

Drogon knows.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-14-2017, 11:20 AM
I know that things are accelerated this season because of the short season this year (and shorter next year) but come on :lol: It was taking entire seasons for people to travel small distances but in last night's episode Jon went POOF from Dragonstone to Eastwatch Castle in the blink of an eye :lol:

Maybe they have a Concorde lying around somewhere for the royals to use :-k

DemonGeminiX
08-14-2017, 11:23 AM
They had Gendry with them. He's a monster with an oar. :thumbsup:

Hal-9000
08-14-2017, 04:56 PM
Per this current episode: Prince Rhaegar had his marriage annulled by High Septon Maynard and was simultaneously married again in a secret ceremony in Dorne. If that comes to light, Jon's not a bastard anymore.

Yes, that's why I was pointing out his past illegitimacy :thumbsup: With one short line in this episode Jon could move into the pole position. Again, it's up the writers as to how accepted and legitimate the claim will be to the people on the show. And we got the scene of him interacting with the dragon...Making the call right now. Dany, Jon and Tyrion will be flying the dragons.

The comment - I thought you'd still be rowing directed at Gendry, shows the writing staff watches the fanbase :lol: It was a little too on the nose for me, while still being cute and fun.

DemonGeminiX
08-14-2017, 05:15 PM
I'm thinking Jaime might end up killing Cersie.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-14-2017, 05:21 PM
Then he will end up killing the fake baby :nono:

Hal-9000
08-14-2017, 05:23 PM
I'm thinking Jaime might end up killing Cersie.

I've been pushing that agenda since last season. (not here unfortunately)

They keep showing scenes where he's sticking up for her or backing her decisions. Pretty soon I feel he's going to witness the Crazy firsthand and have to do something. Which will play nicely into the witch's prediction from when Cersei was a child.

Hal-9000
08-14-2017, 05:26 PM
Or....maybe the dragon was just noticing that Jon's deodorant was wearing off :-k

Would have been an epic scene if the dragon just hauled off and burned him alive.

Dany flies off quickly with a secret and huge regret :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-14-2017, 06:01 PM
Would have been an epic scene if the dragon just hauled off and burned him alive.

Dany flies off quickly with a secret and huge regret :lol:

:lol:


Hey, anyone seen The King of the North around?


Dany:

https://i.imgur.com/4II5TFp.gif

Hal-9000
08-14-2017, 06:02 PM
:lol:

Hal-9000
08-14-2017, 06:04 PM
So to be clear, Cersei was holding her gut in that scene because she's pregnant, correct?

Teh One Who Knocks
08-14-2017, 06:07 PM
I think she made it up to try and reign Jamie back in after his whole doom and gloom talk after getting his ass kicked by the Dothraki and Drogon.

Hal-9000
08-14-2017, 06:08 PM
I know that things are accelerated this season because of the short season this year (and shorter next year) but come on :lol: It was taking entire seasons for people to travel small distances but in last night's episode Jon went POOF from Dragonstone to Eastwatch Castle in the blink of an eye :lol:

Maybe they have a Concorde lying around somewhere for the royals to use :-k

I don't mind that as long as it's not the next day sort of thing :lol: We have to assume it took Jon a month or whatever time to get there.

The only thing I don't like in the GoT world is that there's never an onscreen placard or indication of time passing. We could see Character A in one scene, then the next time we see them it could be three years later. I don't mind filling in the blanks based on context, but they rarely give us any sort of guidepost or comparison when the jumps happen.

Hal-9000
08-14-2017, 06:10 PM
I think she made it up to try and reign Jamie back in after his whole doom and gloom talk after getting his ass kicked by the Dothraki and Drogon.

Online scuttlebut is saying she will have a dwarf or handicapped child because the brother/sister thing finally went a wee bit strange in hormone-land :lol:

Hal-9000
08-14-2017, 06:13 PM
we buried the lead :|




Dickon is dead! :sad:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-14-2017, 07:07 PM
https://i.imgur.com/gy3gIrj.jpg

Hal-9000
08-14-2017, 07:30 PM
that subtle look Dany is giving in the third panel says everything :lol:

Hal-9000
08-16-2017, 06:14 PM
There's a death draft for the guys going to retrieve the White Walker beyond the wall. Seven people are in the party, predict who's not coming back :)

Jon, Jorah, The Hound, Thoros, Beric, Gendry and Tormund.


*I'm in the camp that thinks the plan is idiotic and was poorly conceived by both the writers and the characters :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-16-2017, 06:21 PM
https://i.imgur.com/neAIWeG.jpg

DemonGeminiX
08-16-2017, 06:36 PM
Beric's dead. Lightbringer has to go to Jon.

DemonGeminiX
08-16-2017, 06:44 PM
Also, there were a few more behind the seven. I didn't really see, but they could have been wearing red shirts.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-16-2017, 06:46 PM
https://i.imgur.com/yELqzvil.jpg

Hal-9000
08-16-2017, 06:47 PM
I think Beric and Thoros will die, and then someone from the sentimental side of things will go too.

Jon lives because of his hidden lineage and other reasons.
Tormund lives because he has to get with Brienne first.
Gendry lives because you don't bring someone back from three seasons ago just to kill him within a few episodes.
The Hound still needs to fight his bro in the Clegane Bowl, so he'll live.

Jorah is similar to Gendry in the way he's healed, he's back and he's getting along with Dany again. Why do all of that only to die instantly? Could go either way.

I think that Davos is going die soon, only because he's a fan favorite and this is Game of Thrones after all :lol:

Hal-9000
08-16-2017, 06:51 PM
I envision a great scene with a line of White Walkers coming toward Jon, Dany, Arya etc.

First Walkers we see are Hodor, Jorah, Tormund, Samwell and a few favorite prostitutes from Mole's Town :lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-17-2017, 02:52 PM
This week's episode was leaked.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-17-2017, 03:29 PM
It's been out for several days. I saw an article that said HBO Spain actually aired it "mistakenly" on either Monday or Tuesday, I don't remember which day. I'm happy to wait until Sunday night.

Hal-9000
08-17-2017, 04:12 PM
I watched the last leaked episode. It had a counter at the bottom and was poor quality. Then I watched the regular 720p version and it was like watching a different ep.

I'll wait too.

Hal-9000
08-17-2017, 08:49 PM
http://i.imgur.com/OqIsPVj.jpg

deebakes
08-18-2017, 02:14 AM
finished re-watching season 1. i seemed to remember that little fucktard viserys hanging around longer than he actually did :lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-18-2017, 07:17 AM
That's because you had to wait a week to see what was going to happen next.

Hal-9000
08-18-2017, 06:39 PM
finished re-watching season 1. i seemed to remember that little fucktard viserys hanging around longer than he actually did :lol:

The golden crown scene always gives me the willies.

That's it Viserys, just keep insulting the huge horse warriors and abusing the new wife of the Dothraki King. It doesn't matter that you weigh 99 lbs and can't fight off a mild cold on your own :lol:

Hal-9000
08-19-2017, 03:09 AM
http://i.imgur.com/HxNRVep.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
08-19-2017, 04:10 PM
Okay, here's one that can't be explained time-wise in the show :lol: The Army of the Dead have been marching towards the wall from Hardhome since last season. Now, if you look at a map, Hardhome is a hop, skip and a jump from the wall. And almost to the end of this season now and they are still marching on the wall. In that time, Jon Snow had enough time to zip on down to Dragonstone from Winterfell AND back to Winterfell while the army of the dead have been marching that short distance for the better part of a full season now :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/hgXNG4j.png

Now compare that with the distance between Winterfell and Dragonstone FFS :lol: Winterfell is up near the top left and Dragonstone is down near the bottom right

http://i.imgur.com/NjRenGv.png

deebakes
08-19-2017, 04:18 PM
they are white WALKERS, he can move by horse etc :tup:

Hal-9000
08-19-2017, 06:47 PM
Okay, here's one that can't be explained time-wise in the show :lol: The Army of the Dead have been marching towards the wall from Hardhome since last season. Now, if you look at a map, Hardhome is a hop, skip and a jump from the wall. And almost to the end of this season now and they are still marching on the wall. In that time, Jon Snow had enough time to zip on down to Dragonstone from Winterfell AND back to Winterfell while the army of the dead have been marching that short distance for the better part of a full season now :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/hgXNG4j.png

Now compare that with the distance between Winterfell and Dragonstone FFS :lol: Winterfell is up near the top left and Dragonstone is down near the bottom right

http://i.imgur.com/NjRenGv.png



:slap:

Cuz the White Walkers are walking and Jon is traveling by ship down the coast. Ship>slow zombie treading through snow

Also, zombies don't have GPS so they often get halfway up a mountain and then have to turn back to find another route.







:lol: I don't know..

DemonGeminiX
08-19-2017, 06:59 PM
It's time to turn off your brain, Lance.

Pony
08-20-2017, 01:59 PM
Maybe they are delaying until winter is in full force south of the wall?

Hal-9000
08-20-2017, 04:55 PM
Maybe they are delaying until winter is in full force south of the wall?

You bring up one of my main questions...Are White Walkers like Canadians and can only travel so far south before they burn and melt?

Pony
08-20-2017, 05:14 PM
You bring up one of my main questions...Are White Walkers like Canadians and can only travel so far south before they burn and melt?

That's just one of the many similarities!

:-k:shock:

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 07:54 AM
Tormund cracks me up. :lol:

And holy shit, an undead fucking dragon

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 08:08 AM
I got problems with this episode :lol:

Okay, it was epic and I didn't expect to see three dragons fight the White Walker army so soon. And the spoiler bit DGX mentioned above, that was wonderful.

Even the Magnificent Seven walk and talk was something I could watch for hours.

But I got problems..

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 10:39 AM
So...... :-k

In what the show made seem to be the course of one day (which I would agree with because otherwise the Magnificent Sever would have all froze to death) we had: Gendry run all the way back to Eastwatch Castle and after his arrival, the maester dispatch a raven all the way to Dragonstone to Dany and then have Dany and her 3 dragons fly all the way north, across the wall in time to save the Magnificent Sever after the Hound so kindly showed the army of the dead that the water had frozen back over. :-k

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 10:47 AM
Arya's gone all psycho on Sansa. :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 11:12 AM
If Sansa isn't careful, she'll end up on Arya's list :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 01:46 PM
For a show that was so completely epic, this shortened season is feeling very rushed and contrived in parts. :| Oh look, Jon's about to almost die again and the zombie horde closes in on him and suddenly, out of nowehere...Uncle Benjen? :huh:

deebakes
08-21-2017, 02:02 PM
it has seemed very rushed, i agree. maybe it is because i restarted the series recently too though :shrug:

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 02:34 PM
For a show that was so completely epic, this shortened season is feeling very rushed and contrived in parts. :| Oh look, Jon's about to almost die again and the zombie horde closes in on him and suddenly, out of nowehere...Uncle Benjen? :huh:

The show was based on very robust novels. They're now in unchartered territory with no finished novels to go on. Martin gave the show runners a general outline of what he planned to do in the last novel, but as it has yet to be written, or finished if he did start writing it, the show runners don't have a whole lot to go on. The source material just isn't there for this season and the last/next.

Also plot-wise, the past seasons/novels were all a set up to the main action we're seeing now. The Game of Thrones was a sideshow of musical chairs. The main story was always going to be the war against the Others. We're in the final stretch now. The main players have been established through their trials and tribulations. There's just not much more that can be said besides getting to the final fight and watching it play out. The Game of Thrones is over. It's time for the war.

Benjen saved Bran a season or two ago out of nowhere as well.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 03:40 PM
http://nerdist.com/game-of-thrones-pacing-problem-pro-con-list/

An article on the state of the pacing this season, have to say I pretty much agree with everything she wrote.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 03:41 PM
Benjen saved Bran a season or two ago out of nowhere as well.

One recapper I read called him Savey McSaverson :lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 04:09 PM
Well I don't think he's gonna be saving anyone anymore. He was pretty much overrun when Jon was galloping away.

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 04:10 PM
http://nerdist.com/game-of-thrones-pacing-problem-pro-con-list/

An article on the state of the pacing this season, have to say I pretty much agree with everything she wrote.

:hand:

Who cares what they say. Enjoy it for what it is.

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 04:47 PM
So...... :-k

In what the show made seem to be the course of one day (which I would agree with because otherwise the Magnificent Sever would have all froze to death) we had: Gendry run all the way back to Eastwatch Castle and after his arrival, the maester dispatch a raven all the way to Dragonstone to Dany and then have Dany and her 3 dragons fly all the way north, across the wall in time to save the Magnificent Sever after the Hound so kindly showed the army of the dead that the water had frozen back over. :-k

My complaints in no particular order: (pls keep in mind this is my favorite show so I usually overlook anything the writers create)

Gendry runs back to the Wall and Jon takes a cab from the exact same place, yet one of them almost dies...
Didn't like the text to Dany and the quick response time.
Why didn't Dany turn Drogon's head, yell Dracaris and at least take a shot at roasting the Night King after he killed her other dragon?
The chains, omg those huge chains.

Two big lapses...if Dany could travel there in what appeared to be a day, why send seven men on foot for the original Wight pick-up?

The entire Arya being angry at Sansa scene... Arya understands how evil the Lannisters are. She also knows Sansa wrote that letter six years ago under duress and had nothing to do with their father's death. Yet Arya feels the need to totally creep out and threaten Sansa? Feels so forced it almost ruined the episode for me. Also Middlefinger is trying to promote The Battle of the Sisters. Total waste and talk about being neutered. His stock has gone waaaay down considering his past actions and what he's responsible for.

And one of the best scenes in the show is ruined by a huge lapse in logic. Just where in the hell do a bunch of a zombies get four incredibly huge chains?

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 04:55 PM
My complaints in no particular order: (pls keep in mind this is my favorite show so I usually overlook anything the writers create)

Gendry runs back to the Wall and Jon takes a cab from the exact same place, yet one of them almost dies...
Didn't like the text to Dany and the quick response time.
Why didn't Dany turn Drogon's head, yell Dracaris and at least take a shot at roasting the Night King after he killed her other dragon?
The chains, omg those huge chains.

Two big lapses...if Dany could travel there in what appeared to be a day, why send seven men on foot for the original Wight pick-up?

The entire Arya being angry at Sansa scene... Arya understands how evil the Lannisters are. She also knows Sansa wrote that letter six years ago under duress and had nothing to do with their father's death. Yet Arya feels the need to totally creep out and threaten Sansa? Feels so forced it almost ruined the episode for me. Also Middlefinger is trying to promote The Battle of the Sisters. Total waste and talk about being neutered. His stock has gone waaaay down considering his past actions and what he's responsible for.

And one of the best scenes in the show is ruined by a huge lapse in logic. Just where in the hell do a bunch of a zombies get four incredibly huge chains?

The Giant Chain Store (north location), duh :rolleyes:



:lol:


I agree with everything you said, I usually give a show like this that leeway, but this episode was by far the worst in terms of pacing and logic all the way around.

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 05:02 PM
Someone said they got the chains at Home Depot North :lol:

The only thing that takes me out of the moment is when the writers of a show try to force a character to do something, in order to serve a larger purpose. Like Arya being that angry with Sansa after everything they've been through. And some of the dialog with Littlefinger implies that one wants to kill the other one?

In that show, where there's so many other conflicts great and small, it really felt like the writers were creating this strange sister fight for something else to take place.


and I could watch an entire season of Tormund and The Hound :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 05:07 PM
At the beginning of the episode when the Mag7 were starting their quest and they were showing the various conversations, that was awesome, loved it.

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 05:10 PM
and I could watch an entire season of Tormund and The Hound :lol:

Tormund had the best lines in this episode.

Gendry: There are no women around.
Tormund: We'll just have to make due with what we have.
Gendry: :shock:
Tormund (to Jon): I think he may be a little slow.

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 05:11 PM
And I don't care what y'all say. The blue eyed undead polar bear ruled over all.

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 05:11 PM
At the beginning of the episode when the Mag7 were starting their quest and they were showing the various conversations, that was awesome, loved it.

No one can drop an eff bomb like The Hound :lol:

Yes, it's show porn for me when a group of characters from GoT actually spend some time chatting and relating. (looking right at you Arya and Sansa...take 10 minutes and explain, then hug it out you bitches)

I came away with a whole new respect for the Beric Dondarrion character after that one episode. Wish we could of seen more of him in past seasons. And Tormund just needs to be on the screen and I start laughing :lol: That quip about not always needing women and then looking over at Gendry was hilarious.

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 05:13 PM
Tormund had the best lines in this episode.

Gendry: There are no women around.
Tormund: We'll just have to make due with what we have.
Gendry: :shock:
Tormund (to Jon): I think he may be a little slow.

I just mentioned that :lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 05:15 PM
Sandor Clegane (to Gendry): He's been killed 6 times, you don't hear him bitchin'.

:lol:

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 05:17 PM
And I don't care what y'all say. The blue eyed undead polar bear ruled over all.

Brings up a question. Jorah used a dragonglass dagger and took out the bear. I noticed The Hound threw down the hammer and started using smaller weapons in the big fight.

Did they not have Valyrian swords/weapons and only a couple of dragonglass daggers? Longclaw is Valyrian steel isn't it?

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 05:18 PM
Sandor Clegane (to Gendry): He's been killed 6 times, you don't hear him bitchin'.

:lol:

Anyone: You know, blah blah bla...

Hound : Fuck off


:lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 05:19 PM
Longclaw is Valyrian. Jon killed a Walker with it. You can't kill one without Valyrian steel.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 05:19 PM
Brings up a question. Jorah used a dragonglass dagger and took out the bear. I noticed The Hound threw down the hammer and started using smaller weapons in the big fight.

Did they not have Valyrian swords/weapons and only a couple of dragonglass daggers? Longclaw is Valyrian steel isn't it?

I believe the only one carrying Valyrian steel on that quest was Jon. Off the top of my head, the only Valyrian steel weapons left blong to Jon, the dagger that Bran gave to Arya (via Littlefinger) Jaime's sword, and Brienne's sword. I believe that's it.

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 05:28 PM
Longclaw is Valyrian. Jon killed a Walker with it. You can't kill one without Valyrian steel.

umm HELLO, I KNOW THE RULES

:x

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 05:30 PM
I believe the only one carrying Valyrian steel on that quest was Jon. Off the top of my head, the only Valyrian steel weapons left blong to Jon, the dagger that Bran gave to Arya (via Littlefinger) Jaime's sword, and Brienne's sword. I believe that's it.

Didn't Tywin make two swords out of Ned's old sword and gave one to Joffrey?

And Samwell's family sword is Valyrian I seem to recall too.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 05:36 PM
Didn't Tywin make two swords out of Ned's old sword and gave one to Joffrey?

And Samwell's family sword is Valyrian I seem to recall too.

The two swords that Tywin made ended up with Jaime and Brienne. Forgot about Sam's, that one is definitely Valyrian too.

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 05:41 PM
So here's the 64 dollar question. They've showed the Night King walking through flames twice and the fire is repressed by his presence.

Can a 1000 foot flaming breath weapon from a dragon toast him?

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 05:50 PM
umm HELLO, I KNOW THE RULES

:x

:-s

Then why'd you ask?


So here's the 64 dollar question. They've showed the Night King walking through flames twice and the fire is repressed by his presence.

Can a 1000 foot flaming breath weapon from a dragon toast him?

:-s

Only $64?

:hand:

I'm sorry. I can't venture to answer your question for less than $65.50.


Given that he was born by having a dragonglass dagger shoved into his chest, I'm not sure that anything coming from a dragon could kill him. Or maybe it can. I don't know. I guess we're gonna find out sooner or later.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 05:55 PM
Will the new zomdragon spew fire or ice? :-k

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 05:57 PM
Will the living dragons know that it's a zombie and roast him?

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 06:04 PM
:-s

Then why'd you ask?



:-s

Only $64?

:hand:

I'm sorry. I can't venture to answer your question for less than $65.50.


Given that he was born by having a dragonglass dagger shoved into his chest, I'm not sure that anything coming from a dragon could kill him. Or maybe it can. I don't know. I guess we're gonna find out sooner or later.

I asked if Longclaw was Valyrian steel and your response contained a rule "You can't kill one without Valyrian steel. " Don't make me give you The Hound response.

Good point about the origin of the Night King and what can hurt him. That javelin he threw was quite the surprise and did you notice how his second in command had to produce it? Something going on there too methinks..

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 06:06 PM
Will the new zomdragon spew fire or ice? :-k

Podcast I post on says most people think the Night King will somehow use the dragon to take down the Wall. They're big believers that the Wall is coming down no matter what.

So maybe he spews fire still?

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 06:07 PM
Will the living dragons know that it's a zombie and roast him?

I had the same thought watching last night. Will they know he's turned and is now an enemy?

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 06:08 PM
Podcast I post on says most people think the Night King will somehow use the dragon to take down the Wall. They're big believers that the Wall is coming down no matter what.

So maybe he spews fire still?

I've read people saying that the way around the wall is...to just walk around it because the sea to the east of Eastwatch will be frozen :lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 06:09 PM
My point was that you could logically deduce that Longclaw was Valyrian steel since Jon used it to kill the White Walker. It certainly wasn't dragonglass. But go ahead, go all Houndish on me. I can take it.

I think he just has his subordinates very well trained. He brought them in the world, they better believe he sure as hell can take them out, so they better wait on him hand and foot.... and clean his room, and do the dishes, and leave the big piece of chicken for him... dammit.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 06:10 PM
Another issue I have is with the whole 'let's go get a zombie from the army of the dead and Cersei will magically become a reasonable person' idea that everyone seems to think will happen.

:derp:

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 06:12 PM
Another issue I have is with the whole 'let's go get a zombie from the army of the dead and Cersei will magically become a reasonable person' idea that everyone seems to think will happen.

:derp:

Especially since she zombified a dead Mountain. She'll look at the little bitty zombie and think, "Pffft! Amateurs! Mine's bigger!"

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 06:13 PM
My point was that you could logically deduce that Longclaw was Valyrian steel since Jon used it to kill the White Walker. It certainly wasn't dragonglass. But go ahead, go all Houndish on me. I can take it.

I think he just has his subordinates very well trained. He brought them in the world, they better believe he sure as hell can take them out, so they better wait on him hand and foot.... and clean his room, and do the dishes, and leave the big piece of chicken for him... dammit.

Last night accomplished a cool thing (excuse the pun). The Night King is not some bad guy who will fold when faced with adversity. I really liked the little part where they killed that one wight and then every other wight around them dropped. Sets up a neat rule for future kills..

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 06:13 PM
Especially since she zombified a dead Mountain. She'll look at the little bitty zombie and think, "Pffft! Amateurs! Mine's bigger!"

Exactly

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 06:16 PM
Another issue I have is with the whole 'let's go get a zombie from the army of the dead and Cersei will magically become a reasonable person' idea that everyone seems to think will happen.

:derp:

One of my main points about supernatural proof/succession/etc. Just because you can say something or know a fact, it doesn't mean your audience will change their minds.

Especially Cersei. She hardly listens to Jaime at the best of times and she will do whatever serves her needs.

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 06:18 PM
Especially since she zombified a dead Mountain. She'll look at the little bitty zombie and think, "Pffft! Amateurs! Mine's bigger!"

There are so many ways this series can play out. One of my fantasies is Arya gets close to Cersie, intending to kill her. The Mountain shows up and is ready to squish Arya, then the Hound comes in from behind and cuts the Mountain to bits.

#fanfiction

Hal-9000
08-21-2017, 06:19 PM
I've read people saying that the way around the wall is...to just walk around it because the sea to the east of Eastwatch will be frozen :lol:

Ya but those extra five miles will take the wights six seasons to travel.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 07:31 PM
In the whole Arya/Sansa thing...do you think maybe that Arya is playing her sister, wanting her to run to Littlefinger so he will expose himself, and Arya knows that Littlefinger is behind this whole thing anyways? :-k

Teh One Who Knocks
08-21-2017, 07:50 PM
https://i.imgur.com/MVzvlBq.gif

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 08:26 PM
In the whole Arya/Sansa thing...do you think maybe that Arya is playing her sister, wanting her to run to Littlefinger so he will expose himself, and Arya knows that Littlefinger is behind this whole thing anyways? :-k

I wouldn't put it past her. She could very well be smart enough to out-Littlefinger Littlefinger.

DemonGeminiX
08-21-2017, 09:28 PM
An idea I've seen floating around the internet. And I quote:

"Let's hope that Bran can warg into an undead dragon and use that against the Night King."

Pony
08-22-2017, 04:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/UQa0HJ6.jpg

Hal-9000
08-22-2017, 05:46 PM
In the whole Arya/Sansa thing...do you think maybe that Arya is playing her sister, wanting her to run to Littlefinger so he will expose himself, and Arya knows that Littlefinger is behind this whole thing anyways? :-k

That would be the only thing that helps the progression make sense :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-22-2017, 05:56 PM
That would be the only thing that helps the progression make sense :thumbsup:

I can just picture Littlefinger just around the corner, eavesdropping on their conversations, all the while Arya knows he's doing it, so she's putting on a show for him.

Hal-9000
08-22-2017, 06:07 PM
I would really like to see that play out :thumbsup:


Her threat to Sansa doesn't make much sense otherwise. Arya has become a world wary person and I would imagine, a fairly good appraiser of what's happening in a room. She basically said to Sansa while holding the dagger - I only need your face to become you...nothing Sansa has done warrants that kind of conversation.

Pony
08-22-2017, 09:13 PM
Yea, Arya has to either be testing her sisters loyalty or baiting Littlefinger.

DemonGeminiX
08-22-2017, 10:00 PM
I wonder if she put him on her list. I know he wasn't there originally, but she could always add him if she wanted to.

Pony
08-22-2017, 10:10 PM
I was wondering if we were going to continue to see Littlefinger but never in the same shot at Arya. :shock:

We will find out that he's been dead since last episode and she's been wearing his face.

DemonGeminiX
08-22-2017, 10:29 PM
It could've been Arya wearing Littlefinger's face when Sansa was bitching to Littlefinger about Arya finding the letter.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-22-2017, 11:14 PM
Here's something I've been thinking about....what if those wights need to be within a certain distance of their maker to stay animated? What if the one they captured ends up being nothing but a corpse when it gets to Kings Landing? :-k

DemonGeminiX
08-22-2017, 11:17 PM
"But, but, but... we swear he was squirming and growling 500 miles ago..."

Teh One Who Knocks
08-23-2017, 03:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjTp0lfcgEE

Hal-9000
08-23-2017, 06:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjTp0lfcgEE

I didn't like this one for some reason. At first the Sean Bean imitations were hilarious :lol:

and have you seen Sansa in recent bikini pics? Yowsa

Hal-9000
08-23-2017, 06:04 PM
I was wondering if we were going to continue to see Littlefinger but never in the same shot at Arya. :shock:

We will find out that he's been dead since last episode and she's been wearing his face.

:hand: Stop that kind of talk. It would be sooooo cool.

Hal-9000
08-23-2017, 06:07 PM
Here's something I've been thinking about....what if those wights need to be within a certain distance of their maker to stay animated? What if the one they captured ends up being nothing but a corpse when it gets to Kings Landing? :-k

I don't think of the wifi connection as much as I think of the temperature. Do wights function in weather above let's say 50F? I see them all dripping and slowing down, the farther south they travel.

Hal-9000
08-23-2017, 06:14 PM
An idea I've seen floating around the internet. And I quote:

"Let's hope that Bran can warg into an undead dragon and use that against the Night King."

I stopped reading some of the fan sites. The theories on Bran alone, omg. Bran is Bran the Builder, Bran the Explorer, Bran the Flake...
Bran is the Night King, Bran was the Old Three Eyed Raven, Bran is and has been every character on the damned show :lol:

I'd like to think Bran has somewhat limited powers in terms of knowing all events past and future. It makes him too powerful.


Touching on the theory you mention, it's popular because the old Three Eyed Raven said that line - You will never walk again, but you will fly. Sure he wargs into ravens etc, but I'd like to think he wargs into that dragon at a key moment, or in the very least they strap him into a special saddle.

Hal-9000
08-23-2017, 06:16 PM
Another theory is that the Night King was aware of the Magnificent Seven hunting party and prepared for them and the dragons. Someone said if you look at the Night King small party of dudes, there were three of them with the ice javelins. It would explain the monster truck chains as well.

Pony
08-25-2017, 10:01 PM
Rumor is they spent 60% of this season budget on a faster than light raven.

deebakes
08-26-2017, 03:14 PM
am i the only one that feels the night king has way too much power? he is capable of taking down a dragon with a single spear thrown at great distance and then able to revive the damn thing? how is he not over the wall already with that kind of power? :idk:

DemonGeminiX
08-26-2017, 08:02 PM
You're supposed to think he's unstoppable. That's why he's so frightening.

deebakes
08-26-2017, 09:31 PM
i'm all for unstoppable, but the dude can literally do everything :shrug:

DemonGeminiX
08-26-2017, 10:31 PM
:nono:

He can't get to the wall in under 7 seasons.

deebakes
08-27-2017, 03:03 AM
but can literally do anything else :shrug:

Hal-9000
08-27-2017, 06:41 PM
:nono:

He can't get to the wall in under 7 seasons.

I envision the horde walking directly east for 1000 miles, reaching the sea and then the Night King killing every wight within a 1/2 mile and screaming FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!

Horde turns back northwest, starts walking in the wrong direction again and 12 months later the same FUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKK can be heard across the frozen wastes :lol:

Hal-9000
08-27-2017, 07:07 PM
Night King thought bubble

*my kingdom for a fkcing compass*

deebakes
08-27-2017, 07:52 PM
does he get over/through the wall tonight? :?

Hal-9000
08-27-2017, 07:55 PM
Nope because Donald Trump Stark is there and the Night King is the wrong color.



:thumbsup:

deebakes
08-27-2017, 08:18 PM
orange blaze takes him out :lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-28-2017, 09:24 AM
"Has it ever occurred to you that she may not have been the most reliable source?" = "I'm coming to your room tonight to fuck you senseless and find out for certain, Auntie Dany."

I can't wait to see the look on Jon's, Sam's, and Bran's faces when they tell him who he really is and they all realize that he fucked his aunt.

Theon :roll: Euron :roll: The whole fucking Greyjoy storyline :roll:

Killing Littlefinger off should have been more satisfying. I would rather have watched Arya do it in a back room after stalking him while disguised and pulling off one of her faces as he bled to death. Sansa could have stepped out of the shadows and given the proverbial high five to her little sister. I wonder who takes over the Vale?

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 10:33 AM
Much better episode this week and a pretty decent finale IMHO.

I was right about Arya :cheers:

Personally I loved the Littlefinger execution scene....I thought it was perfect. :dunno: It was plenty satisfying for me, watching the confusion come over his face after Sansa read the charges that he thought were against Arya, and then she asked him how did he plead? And after him begging for mercy and his life, Arya just slit his throat with his own knife, I thought it was excellent.

I was right about Cersei not being reasonable, even though she almost faked me out. What a stupid bitch. So, will Jaime defy her and take the Lannister army north? Or will Jaime just desert and head north by himself, and maybe with Bronn as well?

The Greyjoy thing is kinda meh...although it was nice to see Theon get his balls back so to speak :lol: But unless Theon is going to be able to save Yara and kill Euron (quickly) so that they can join forces against the Night King, that storyline is absolutely pointless.

Hey, at least Jon and Dany are only aunt and nephew and not brother and sister :lol:

I guess Cersei really is pregnant and it just wasn't something to trick Jamie into falling back in line? I don't think she would have needed to fake a pregnancy in front of Tyrion.

How will Dany take it when she finds out that Jon is the heir to the Iron Throne ahead of her?

And I have to agree with Dee a bit on the whole Night King's power...if he was that all powerful, then there is no chance for thew living to defeat him and his army and they would have easily taken over the world in any of the previous winters.

DemonGeminiX
08-28-2017, 03:00 PM
:-k

I get the feeling George R.R. Martin might have a thing for a member of his own family.

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 05:06 PM
In the books he's always talking about tweaking and pinching nipples....I envision him working on his old 1992 DOS computer with holes cut out of his shirt at chest level, giving himself the odd nip-pull after finishing a particularly good chapter.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 05:08 PM
In the books he's always talking about tweaking and pinching nipples....I envision him working on his old 1992 DOS computer with holes cut out of his shirt at chest level, giving himself the odd nip-pull after finishing a particularly good chapter.

:tmi:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 05:11 PM
I liked the finale overall but can't get away from the feeling it's become a runaway train. This is the weirdest complaint ever in light of the past seasons that feature people literally taking years to get from A to B. They are cramming so much into the episodes comparatively that it doesn't seem real :lol: Like that scene at the war summit. Everyone from the cast was there except Arya, Sansa, Bran and Littlefinger. The scene almost played like an old WWF Wrestling Summer Slam special where everyone shows up :lol:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 05:29 PM
Much better episode this week and a pretty decent finale IMHO.

I was right about Arya :cheers:

Personally I loved the Littlefinger execution scene....I thought it was perfect. :dunno: It was plenty satisfying for me, watching the confusion come over his face after Sansa read the charges that he thought were against Arya, and then she asked him how did he plead? And after him begging for mercy and his life, Arya just slit his throat with his own knife, I thought it was excellent.

I was right about Cersei not being reasonable, even though she almost faked me out. What a stupid bitch. So, will Jaime defy her and take the Lannister army north? Or will Jaime just desert and head north by himself, and maybe with Bronn as well?

The Greyjoy thing is kinda meh...although it was nice to see Theon get his balls back so to speak :lol: But unless Theon is going to be able to save Yara and kill Euron (quickly) so that they can join forces against the Night King, that storyline is absolutely pointless.

Hey, at least Jon and Dany are only aunt and nephew and not brother and sister :lol:

I guess Cersei really is pregnant and it just wasn't something to trick Jamie into falling back in line? I don't think she would have needed to fake a pregnancy in front of Tyrion.

How will Dany take it when she finds out that Jon is the heir to the Iron Throne ahead of her?

And I have to agree with Dee a bit on the whole Night King's power...if he was that all powerful, then there is no chance for thew living to defeat him and his army and they would have easily taken over the world in any of the previous winters.

Alrighty so I liked the finale, along with some observations/complaints.

The scene with Cersei and Tyrion was great. For a pure drama talky scene, it was electric. Lena Headey was vulnerable, angry, scary, sad...all within five minutes.

Lance was indeed correct about Arya, good call. However the entire Littlefinger execution scene felt limp to me because of one thing. What was he trying to accomplish for the past two seasons? He went from being one of the most influential and intelligent characters, to a guy who was trying to start a rift between two sisters? His stock went waaaay down and it was disappointing to see a mastermind start begging, get no chance to defend himself (way to be fair and just Stark family..), and get killed because someone had a vision.

Like most of the net, I couldn't really care less about the Greyjoys. The Theon fight scene was a bit much as he was getting the crap kicked out of him and then after the guy knees him in the missing junk, he all of sudden gets superpowers from having missing junk and kills the bigger, more fierce fighter? :lol:

The writers made no bones about establishing certain plot points. Sam meets Bran, we have Jon's true lineage. Dany and Jon boink, no cute subterfuge they get right down to it. The Night King commands his new dragon, the dragon has a breath weapon that can destroy the wall. Part of the wall comes down and they march south.

This brings me to probably the most important plot point or observation. The good guys went north, got a wight and brought it to Cersei as proof of the threat. Cersei eventually agrees to help, then secretly backs out of helping and decides to wait in the south to take on whatever is left over from the forces fighting in the north. So what has really been accomplished by the good guys? They are one dragon down and lord knows how many people, they've lost their fleet of ships the Unsullied sailed to Casterly Rock, and the wall is crumbling :lol:

Tyrion is about zero for three in 'clever' ideas and this last development puts the good guys deep in the privy of crap.

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 05:36 PM
Someone online posted a good metaphor about Bran. 'Bran has access to the entire internet, but still has to google subjects to learn about them.' This was in reference to him thinking Jon was still a bastard. I liked that moment when he said - Jon would be a Sand then, not a Snow. It shows he doesn't know every fact from the past unless he specifically seeks out moments.

Are Tormund and Beric alive? I say yes and we won't see Tormund die until he gets some sweet Brienne love.

Sansa to Arya - 'You're still strange and annoying...' :lol:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 05:39 PM
How about Sandor walking up to The Mountain and laying down that threat. The Clegane Bowl is on :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 05:41 PM
Alrighty so I liked the finale, along with some observations/complaints.

The scene with Cersei and Tyrion was great. For a pure drama talky scene, it was electric. Lena Headey was vulnerable, angry, scary, sad...all within five minutes.

Lance was indeed correct about Arya, good call. However the entire Littlefinger execution scene felt limp to me because of one thing. What was he trying to accomplish for the past two seasons? He went from being one of the most influential and intelligent characters, to a guy who was trying to start a rift between two sisters? His stock went waaaay down and it was disappointing to see a mastermind start begging, get no chance to defend himself (way to be fair and just Stark family..), and get killed because someone had a vision.

Like most of the net, I couldn't really care less about the Greyjoys. The Theon fight scene was a bit much as he was getting the crap kicked out of him and then after the guy knees him in the missing junk, he all of sudden gets superpowers from having missing junk and kills the bigger, more fierce fighter? :lol:

The writers made no bones about establishing certain plot points. Sam meets Bran, we have Jon's true lineage. Dany and Jon boink, no cute subterfuge they get right down to it. The Night King commands his new dragon, the dragon has a breath weapon that can destroy the wall. Part of the wall comes down and they march south.

This brings me to probably the most important plot point or observation. The good guys went north, got a wight and brought it to Cersei as proof of the threat. Cersei eventually agrees to help, then secretly backs out of helping and decides to wait in the south to take on whatever is left over from the forces fighting in the north. So what has really been accomplished by the good guys? They are one dragon down and lord knows how many people, they've lost their fleet of ships the Unsullied sailed to Casterly Rock, and the wall is crumbling :lol:

Tyrion is about zero for three in 'clever' ideas and this last development puts the good guys deep in the privy of crap.

Agree with most of your points, I still stand by that I was okay with the Littlkefinger execution, but other than that, I pretty much agree with everything you say :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 05:41 PM
How about Sandor walking up to The Mountain and laying down that threat. The Clegane Bowl is on :thumbsup:

I'll take The Hound on this one :tup:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 05:42 PM
Someone online posted a good metaphor about Bran. 'Bran has access to the entire internet, but still has to google subjects to learn about them.' This was in reference to him thinking Jon was still a bastard. I liked that moment when he said - Jon would be a Sand then, not a Snow. It shows he doesn't know every fact from the past unless he specifically seeks out moments.

Are Tormund and Beric alive? I say yes and we won't see Tormund die until he gets some sweet Brienne love.

Sansa to Arya - 'You're still strange and annoying...' :lol:

That's definitely a good metaphor about Bran, and it definitely played out last night. :thumbsup:

Definitely still alive IMO, they made it to a point beyond where the wall was crumbling apart.

And loved that little quip by Sansa :lol:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 05:46 PM
and so one of the visions from a past season was snow in the throne room at King's Landing.

Did you guys catch the snowfall scene in the finale where Jaime notices it as he's riding away?

And what the hell is Jaime doing by himself? Going to ride north without an army to fight with the good guys? At least pick up Bronn on the way and make it a delightful comedic road trip movie :lol:

DemonGeminiX
08-28-2017, 05:48 PM
This brings me to probably the most important plot point or observation. The good guys went north, got a wight and brought it to Cersei as proof of the threat. Cersei eventually agrees to help, then secretly backs out of helping and decides to wait in the south to take on whatever is left over from the forces fighting in the north. So what has really been accomplished by the good guys? They are one dragon down and lord knows how many people, they've lost their fleet of ships the Unsullied sailed to Casterly Rock, and the wall is crumbling :lol:

What was accomplished by the majority of the major point of view characters in the show that died over the past 7 seasons? I think if you take a step back and really think about it objectively, life's like that sometimes: cruel and pointless.

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 05:52 PM
That's definitely a good metaphor about Bran, and it definitely played out last night. :thumbsup:

Definitely still alive IMO, they made it to a point beyond where the wall was crumbling apart.

And loved that little quip by Sansa :lol:

Yeah the Bran thing came out of a million Twitter complaints about Bran not knowing about the marriage annulment. In the finale, he sets down the rules saying he can see events in the past, and in the present...all over the world. He doesn't know the future, he can't read minds and he hasn't seen every single event from the past. That would turn his head into mush.

And I think Jon is going to get Dany pregnant so the 'relative reveal' is going to be fun :lol:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 05:57 PM
What was accomplished by the majority of the major point of view characters in the show that died over the past 7 seasons? I think if you take a step back and really think about it objectively, life's like that sometimes: cruel and pointless.

Yes the show certainly did a good job showing that life ain't fair in past seasons.

I was focusing more on Tyrion, his plans and the thing he is known for. His intelligence and cunning. He's made some pretty bad calls and if you remember, he was the guy who came up with the plan to get a wight in the scene where he met Jaime secretly.

The show has come under fire that it's become a 'kinder, gentler' Game of Thrones since they went past where the books ended. Complaints of fan servicing with the reunions and events. Part of me agrees with that.

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 05:58 PM
And where the hell was Gendry last night??

Keeping the rowboat warm in the bay? :lol:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 06:00 PM
I'll take The Hound on this one :tup:

His fearlessness got me hard.

I predict they both die in the fight, and Teh Hound will be smiling as he goes after the Mountain.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 06:00 PM
And what the hell is Jaime doing by himself? Going to ride north without an army to fight with the good guys? At least pick up Bronn on the way and make it a delightful comedic road trip movie :lol:

That's what I already asked :slap:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 06:02 PM
In the two scenes with Cersei, the one with Tyrion and then the one with Jaime, I thought for sure that each one was going to die as the scenes played out. Good job of building the tension in both of them.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 06:03 PM
I did like when Littlefinger went and 'demanded' that he be escorted out and taken to the Vale and the response he got was "I think not" :lol:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 06:07 PM
That's what I already asked :slap:

We can have the same question/thought :x


Notice he took off his Lannister armor? He's not taking the army methinks..

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 06:08 PM
In the two scenes with Cersei, the one with Tyrion and then the one with Jaime, I thought for sure that each one was going to die as the scenes played out. Good job of building the tension in both of them.

What was Tyrion's comment before walking into Cersei's chamber? I'm going to speak with the most murderous woman in the world, what could go wrong? :lol:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 06:11 PM
I did like when Littlefinger went and 'demanded' that he be escorted out and taken to the Vale and the response he got was "I think not" :lol:

I didn't like the scene because of the set up. He was trapped and killed without a trial and wasn't allowed to do anything on his own behalf. I thought after seven seasons of Stark honor talk, they would have been a little more fair to him. Sure he was guilty and was going to die for it, but the swift severity was rather un-Stark-like.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 06:12 PM
What was Tyrion's comment before walking into Cersei's chamber? I'm going to speak with the most murderous woman in the world, what could go wrong? :lol:

No, Tyrion and Jaime were talking about each of them being idiots, and Jaime claims that it's himself and that's when Tyrion says that line above and at the end says WHO'S THE BIGGER IDIOT :lol:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 06:13 PM
and is Arya the new IIyn Payne? :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 06:14 PM
I didn't like the scene because of the set up. He was trapped and killed without a trial and wasn't allowed to do anything on his own behalf. I thought after seven seasons of Stark honor talk, they would have been a little more fair to him. Sure he was guilty and was going to die for it, but the swift severity was rather un-Stark-like.

First you complain it's been a 'kindler, gentler' GoT and now you say the Starks were too mean to Littlefinger...make up you mind man! :x :slap:

Littlefinger was a conniving little bitch, he didn't deserve a chance to defend himself. :hand:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 06:14 PM
No, Tyrion and Jaime were talking about each of them being idiots, and Jaime claims that it's himself and that's when Tyrion says that line above and at the end says WHO'S THE BIGGER IDIOT :lol:

Jaime - I guess we should say goodbye then..

:lol: gawd those two are gold in every scene

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 06:18 PM
First you complain it's been a 'kindler, gentler' GoT and now you say the Starks were too mean to Littlefinger...make up you mind man! :x :slap:

Littlefinger was a conniving little bitch, he didn't deserve a chance to defend himself. :hand:

The two things are not synonymous, there can be both so shut your poo-hole :x

Starks professing honor and then railroading someone into instant death was little much :lol: Middlefinger deserved better both in his arc for the past couple of seasons and his death scene. I mean really, did they run out of things for him to do after he left the Vale?

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 06:49 PM
I meant to say pie-hole.




:lol: sorry

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 06:50 PM
:watching:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 06:54 PM
Shut your poo-hole!


I'm making this phrase a thing like Cash me outside or whatever that stupid skank tried to say and got famous for :thumbsup:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 07:03 PM
:umno:

Hal-9000
08-28-2017, 07:05 PM
So, only six more episodes of one of the best TV shows in history.

Ideas for spin-offs...either prequel or post Game of Thrones?

Teh One Who Knocks
08-28-2017, 07:12 PM
I doubt that they will do anything with it at all after it's done. And it makes me sad to know there isn't much left until it's completely over :(

Hal-9000
08-29-2017, 06:13 PM
I doubt that they will do anything with it at all after it's done. And it makes me sad to know there isn't much left until it's completely over :(

You don't think they're going to capitalize on one the most successful shows in television history? The source material is screaming for prequels and someone is going to want to make a buck.

Hal-9000
08-29-2017, 06:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ORQFoK2.jpg

Pony
08-29-2017, 07:17 PM
He went from being one of the most influential and intelligent characters, to a guy who was trying to start a rift between two sisters? .

I think he considered Arya a threat to him and was confident he could manipulate Sansa with her out of the picture.

Hal-9000
08-29-2017, 07:21 PM
I think he considered Arya a threat to him and was confident he could manipulate Sansa with her out of the picture.

I'm sure that was his intent. In the last few posts I'm talking about what Littlefinger was, as compared to what he had become. In my view...the character went from one of the most influential and interesting on the show, to a smirking little bitch who did little more than give sideways glances and lurk in shadows. Completely neutered and a waste.

Pony
08-29-2017, 07:24 PM
We can have the same question/thought :x


Notice he took off his Lannister armor? He's not taking the army methinks..

And he covered his gold hand so he's less identifiable. I don't see him riding all the way north alone though. Maybe join up with others that are disgruntled with Cercie

Pony
08-29-2017, 07:27 PM
I'm sure that was his intent. In the last few posts I'm talking about what Littlefinger was, as compared to what he had become. In my view...the character went from one of the most influential and interesting on the show, to a smirking little bitch who did little more than give sideways glances and lurk in shadows. Completely neutered and a waste.

I think he always was a smirking little bitch. He never did do much on his own, just manipulated others to his own benefit and amusement. I don't remember him ever personally getting his hands dirty.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-29-2017, 07:34 PM
I'm sure that was his intent. In the last few posts I'm talking about what Littlefinger was, as compared to what he had become. In my view...the character went from one of the most influential and interesting on the show, to a smirking little bitch who did little more than give sideways glances and lurk in shadows. Completely neutered and a waste.

Go write some fanfiction about your crush on Littlefinger FFS :rolleyes:














:outtahere:

Hal-9000
08-29-2017, 07:38 PM
I think you have that backwards....Littlefinger Lover! :x

Teh One Who Knocks
08-29-2017, 07:47 PM
Oh boohoo, Petyr deserves better, I'm so upset :(

We all know you are the Littlefinger lover :hand:




:nana:

:outtahere:

Hal-9000
08-29-2017, 07:52 PM
:|

That's not what I've said at all.

Teh One Who Knocks
08-29-2017, 07:55 PM
:|

That's not what I've said at all.

:snapout:

Hal-9000
08-29-2017, 08:01 PM
http://i.imgur.com/oil3FQD.gif

Pony
08-29-2017, 08:49 PM
:lol:

Pony
08-29-2017, 10:50 PM
http://i.imgur.com/NKpt3cW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/unBPNLo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7oz3kvF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QNAoilN.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
08-30-2017, 05:39 PM
http://i.imgur.com/oil3FQD.gif

Don't make me post that fanfic you sent me to read :nono:

Hal-9000
08-30-2017, 05:40 PM
the Dany panel above, wow :lol: