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Teh One Who Knocks
02-18-2013, 12:29 PM
By Daily Mail Reporter


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Facebook will not pay any tax for 2012 despite making $1.1 billion in pre-tax profits from U.S. operations, according to a report released on Thursday.

But Mark Zuckerberg's company will also get a multimillion dollar tax refund of around $429 million according to Citizens for Tax Justice (CTJ).

The refunds reportedly come from tax deductions on executive stock options and share awards.

Facebook released its first annual report as a public company on January 30 after floating in May 2012.

CTJ describe the fact that the company 'did not pay even a dime in federal and state income taxes' as an 'amazing admission.'

As reported by Businessweek, Facebook says it had a $559 million federal tax liability in 2012.

But their refunds on the tax deductibility of stock options reduced the companies federal and state income taxes by $1.03 billion for the year, including refunds of earlier years’ taxes of $451 million.

After a small portion is applied to state taxes, this benefit turns Facebook's liability into a refund.

Yet according to CTJ, Facebook have further stock-option tax breaks that the company generated from its initial public offering of stock (IPO).

Facebook is hoping to reduce future tax liability by carrying forward another $2.17 billion in additional tax-option tax breaks for use in the years ahead.

As CTJ point out, this means 'Facebook’s current and future tax reductions from the stock options exercised in connection with its IPO will total $3.2 billion.'

Facebook spokeswoman Ashley Zandy declined to discuss the tax break with Businessweek and instead referred to a transcript of Facebook executives’ conference call with analysts.

In this call, Chief Financial Officer David Ebersman mentioned the accumulated tax benefits before noting that Facebook ended the fiscal year with nearly $10 billion in cash and investments.

Ebersman claimed this gave the company 'great flexibility and risk protection.'

Facebook delivered fourth-quarter results above Wall Street's expectations on January 30 and sought to show that it has finally transformed into a 'mobile company' after rising to dominance as a Web-based social network.

But its stock dropped in after-hours trading as investors placed more significance on the company's growing expenses rather than on its increasing user base and higher advertising revenue.

'Everything was slightly better than expected,' said Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter. 'I don't see anything here that would make me want to sell the stock.'

Nonetheless, Facebook's stock fell $1.11, or 3.6 percent, to $30.13 in after-hours trading following the earnings report.

Facebook Inc. grew its revenue and increased the percentage of it that comes from mobile advertising - a closely watched figure. But expenses also grew sharply.

The company also said 2013 will be a year of 'significant investments' and hiring as it focuses on long-term growth rather than short-term profits.

The world's largest social media company earned $64 million, or 3 cents per share, in the October-December period. That's down 79 percent from $302 million, or 14 cents per share, a year earlier when it was still a privately held company.

Revenue rose 40 percent to $1.59 billion from $1.13 billion, surpassing analysts' expectations of $1.51 billion.

Advertising revenue grew 41 percent to $1.33 billion, increasing at a faster clip than in the third quarter, when it climbed 36 percent to $1.09 billion.

FBD
02-18-2013, 02:15 PM
what the fkn fk? facebook was a disaster and cost anyone who bought shares. and this motherf... :facepalm:

RBP
02-18-2013, 03:35 PM
Are these the "loopholes" we're hearing about? This is the kind of stuff that pisses people off. :|

PorkChopSandwiches
02-18-2013, 03:41 PM
:fuck:

Shady
02-18-2013, 04:21 PM
So many companies screw the public over like this. Imagine how much more money this country would have if companies paid their fair share.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-18-2013, 04:23 PM
Jerry Brown was counting on FB paying large amount of taxes. Fairly sure it was included ion him balancing the budget.

RBP
02-18-2013, 04:28 PM
So many companies screw the public over like this. Imagine how much more money this country would have if companies paid their fair share.


Jerry Brown was counting on FB paying large amount of taxes. Fairly sure it was included ion him balancing the budget.

I'd like to put numbers to this. I just had this discussion yesterday and I am of the mind that the numbers are not that huge in total. We hear business say the corporate tax rate is way to high to be competitive, but then we hear stories like this. Hard to figure out what's true.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-18-2013, 04:30 PM
Its high for the companies making under 100 million probably, but once you make that kind of money you can afford creative accountants.

RBP
02-18-2013, 04:33 PM
Could be... I need to find some facts though. We hear a lot of bitching about the wealthy and the corporations, but idk how much of it is valid.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-18-2013, 04:38 PM
If they in fact get a return and dont pay its sounds pretty straight forward.

RBP
02-18-2013, 04:42 PM
If they in fact get a return and dont pay its sounds pretty straight forward.

Yeah, in this case it sounds unreasonable. I don't think you can indict all large corporations based on this anecdote though. And is it a corporation issue or a tax law issue...

Shady
02-18-2013, 04:48 PM
I think it was 2 years ago GE paid 0 taxes and last year thanks to some shuffling of money apple only paid like 2.7%. Those are just two examples off the top of my head.

FBD
02-18-2013, 05:16 PM
I'd like to put numbers to this. I just had this discussion yesterday and I am of the mind that the numbers are not that huge in total. We hear business say the corporate tax rate is way to high to be competitive, but then we hear stories like this. Hard to figure out what's true.

all this situation does is award rent seekers that have the highest profile kiss assness to them. politically correct? why that's great, take a break on your taxes. do you jobs like a decent human being and dont rent seek and lobby like mad to get preferential treatment? pay up moron, this system is designed to help out the fkn squawkbox government hand out crowd.