Ron Paul solicitation email... are these true facts about US Federal spending?

[RBP]

So I got this email as part of a solicitation email for the Campaign for Liberty. But just ignore that part. Are these numbers credible? is that even possible? :huh: I am so frustrated with the whole discussion!! :banghead:

http://i.imgur.com/DFN9SJP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DJKW7Np.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2yUfrQC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YhiCz5Z.jpg


For those of you boneheads trying to click the jpg images of the email :lol: here's a website version of it:

http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/hostedemail/email.htm?CID=14659836156&ch=5C224D68696E793E5E6C446C3336CB45&h=a5425a99686766e82ed69ed80afecc0e&ei=sRtw4xkNV

[FBD]

http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/fed-spend-without-with-sequester-fixed-1%20copy.png

[RBP]

Thanks FBD... excuse me while I go puke. :|

[Southern Belle]

Sorry bastards.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

:(

[Shady]

http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/fed-spend-without-with-sequester-fixed-1%20copy.png

So basically what this says is that the sequester doesn't do shit and media has hyped Congress' lazy efforts to make progress.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Ultimately money only has perceived value. So fuck it....go crazy

[RBP]

So basically what this says is that the sequester doesn't do shit and media has hyped Congress' lazy efforts to make progress.

Here's the best I can figure this out. In the grand scheme of things, yes you are correct, sequester does basically nothing to cut federal spending. It's a drop in the bucket and does change the fact the Federal budgets go up every year.

The way that sequester is designed is a bit problematic. Most spending is exempt from sequester including entitlement spending (medicare, medicaid, social security, unemployment, welfare, food stamps, etc etc etc) so they are cutting from just military and discretionary domestic spending. If you believe CNN, the way they are forced to make the cuts is they have to cut every program in a covered budget. They can't choose what is the best way to cut spending by the required amount. And I say "cut" in almost sarcastic terms while my eyes roll. Remember that a "cut" in Washington means spending less than your budget increase says you should spend. It does not mean less than last year.

Obama is working the fear factor on steroids even though this plan was the white house's idea in the first place. (per Bob Woodward see http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html) Obama wants you to believe that public safety is at risk, military readiness will suffer, first responders won't be able to help you, airline travel will be difficult and unsafe, and the economy will fall into recession if not depression. He says the compromise must include "increased revenues" (I despise that term. It just means higher taxes) in his "balanced" approach. The Republican's won't compromise on a package that includes more tax increases. So that's where they are stuck.

If anyone can explain parts of this better I am all ears.

[FBD]

The Progressives are playing this like its a game and the dollar is funny money and its no big deal if it gets destroyed, because that only opens up further opportunity for the government to step in where all else has failed (even if it was because of the government that it failed to begin with.)

The sequester is part of the joke, part of the game. Republicans for the most part are playing with their pared back stripped down book of rules and etiquette, and the progressives are playing with absolutely no fucking rules outside of "any of these ends are entirely justified by any of these means." "Moderate Democrats" have ceased to exist because of the progressive takeover of the formerly known as the Democrat party.

Of course there's various factions of the goverment, but to me, they're all a bunch of sick powermad Statist fucks, so long as the government is the ultimate power and authority they dont give a shit, because so long as they're the ultimate authority they get to choose the size of their helping of gravy. At least the neocons accept that you have to keep the goose that lays the golden eggs fed - but those goddamned progressives are just about intent on killing that goose, because they cant change things as much as they'd like to so long as that goose, and the spirit of the american ....I was going to say people, but I have to correct that because they've already brainwashed a substantial percentage of the population - enough so that election fraud becomes plenty easy to do, plenty easy to explain away and have an unconcerned media carry water for them so the public doesnt find the shit out. So I have to say, the spirit of America's Founding...is the only thing that's standing in the way of a free, prosperous USA...and One World government with each of the shitty little Statist factions having their fiefdom to oversee. Skim 75, 80% off the top and you feckin plebes can squabble over the remaining scraps.

Its been that way for most of recorded history, and TPTB arent about to let that change without a fight.

[Acid Trip]

Nice to see we've got more people waking to what is going on. You'd never know any of this if you watched the major new networks.

[RBP]

I want to add a few more numbers to consider. If anyone has numbers that differ with these, please post them!

Non-defense discretionary spending

Federal discretionary spending in FY2012: $1,289,000,000
Federal discretionary spending in FY2013: $1,510,000,000
Sequester cuts 8.2%, which would reduce the 2013 number to $1,386,000,000
Net Federal discretionary spending was supposed to go up 17.1%, but after sequester it will go up 7.5%. :|

Tell me again how we're cutting anything??


The military spending numbers are down about $1B from 2012 to 2013, but I am having a hard time getting my head around the actual sequester requirements there. I think it's a 9.4% cut in military discretionary, not the whole budget, but those numbers seem a little more fuzzy. I'll keep looking for that part.

[KevinD]

If all this hype over a basically non event gets you uptight, wait until next month. I have some more research to do first but if what I heard is true, or even close, it's gonna be bad. Real bad.

[RBP]

If all this hype over a basically non event gets you uptight, wait until next month. I have some more research to do first but if what I heard is true, or even close, it's gonna be bad. Real bad.

http://i.imgur.com/dj9LVzs.jpg

[KevinD]

Absolutely nothing to back this up yet, but according to a source I trust fairly well, by the end of March, the Fed will be bankrupt. I possibly could have heard it wrong, because I've been able to find nothing concrete about it yet.

[RBP]

Absolutely nothing to back this up yet, but according to a source I trust fairly well, by the end of March, the Fed will be bankrupt. I possibly could have heard it wrong, because I've been able to find nothing concrete about it yet.

They're bankrupt of principles already. The other is just a matter of time, unfortunately.

[FBD]

Absolutely nothing to back this up yet, but according to a source I trust fairly well, by the end of March, the Fed will be bankrupt. I possibly could have heard it wrong, because I've been able to find nothing concrete about it yet.

Interesting. From how I've come to understand things they do still have a bunch of wiggle room, look at how long Japan has carried on their charade - they've been damn near bankrupt for 20+ years and keep going like some fkn zombie! Part of what's making this hard to call is the fact that there is something very unprecedented (yes, and we can actually use that word here) in that never before in history have virtually all of the world's main large central banks hit the GOOSE button simultaneously, repeatedly, and hard. So unless there's some really serious external events elsewhere that wind up having a huge impact on the dollar, I dont see the fed simply "going bankrupt."

Then again, the nature of nonlinear events makes 'em extremely hard to predict.

[Muddy]

I dont understand any of this.

[RBP]

I dont understand any of this.

What part?

I don't really get the Fed stuff other than that they are sneaky money-printing currency-devaluing fuckwits.

[Acid Trip]

Now Janet Napolitano is threatening that "more illegal immigrants will make it into the US if we don't do something about the sequester cuts."

Full story here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/25/white-house-raises-terror-threat-warns-illegals-co/

Now do you see why FBD and I say Democrats are full of shit? The numbers are all right there in front of our faces! I don't particularly care for Republicans either but at least they are standing up to this madness (for now but they have been spineless lately).

So we are being threatened with...

1) No first responders
2) No Police
3) No National Parks open
4) More illegals make it into the country
5) 800,000+ jobs lost

All over 2% of future spending. We aren't idiots.

[RBP]

Now Janet Napolitano is threatening that "more illegal immigrants will make it into the US if we don't do something about the sequester cuts."

Full story here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/25/white-house-raises-terror-threat-warns-illegals-co/

Now do you see why FBD and I say Democrats are full of shit? The numbers are all right there in front of our faces! I don't particularly care for Republicans either but at least they are standing up to this madness (for now but they have been spineless lately).

So we are being threatened with...

1) No first responders
2) No Police
3) No National Parks open
4) More illegals make it into the country
5) 800,000+ jobs lost

All over 2% of future spending. We aren't idiots.

You forgot that flying will take longer and be unsafe. ;)

[RBP]

Update email...

http://i.imgur.com/AhwvLbM.jpg

[Acid Trip]

Update email...

http://i.imgur.com/AhwvLbM.jpg

Where did you sign up for those emails? I'd like to get them too.

[RBP]

Where did you sign up for those emails? I'd like to get them too.

I got on the list for making a donation to Ron Paul's campaign, but you can sign up for email alerts at http://www.campaignforliberty.org/

[RBP]

Looks about right... and this is in inflation adjusted dollars... not sure how accurate though, but it makes the point.

http://i.imgur.com/foFXb5n.png

[FBD]

now tell me where "Clinton levels of spending" are on that - just barely within our present tax recipts :lol:

[FBD]

and the sequester "cuts" - we borrow that amount in less than one month, currently.

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMFNLclr-022613-sequestrat.jpg.cms