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Muddy
04-22-2011, 12:29 AM
If you're a middle income family, you might be wondering how much money you're going to need to retire. Let's take a look at a 66-year-old couple that's been earning $60,000 a year and see what the numbers tell us.
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Social Security
If you've been earning about $60,000 a year and want to retire at your full retirement age of 66, your current Social Security benefit would be about $1,500 a month, or $18,000 a year. Now if you're married, your spouse will basically collect at least half of this amount ($9,000), even if your spouse never worked. That means your estimated combined Social Security benefit at age 66 today would be about $27,000.
If you're getting $27,000 in Social Security benefits and want to retire on $60,000, you need to somehow make up the other $33,000. The only way to do that is to live off the returns on your retirement savings (unless you happen to have a pension, which most people don't).
So at age 66, how much money would you need to have saved to produce $33,000 a year in distributions and not run a big risk of depleting your savings?
Well, there's no precise answer to this question because financial market returns are so volatile. But from studying history, we can get a reasonable sense of what it will take.
A good estimate is that a portfolio can support inflation-adjusted distributions of between 4% and 5% per year, depending on market conditions. So if you're unlucky and retire during a bear market, you might be stuck at 4%. It you're a little more fortunate and financial returns are positive, then you could probably do 5%.
• The reality is that over your retirement years, you'll have good and bad market cycles. So sometimes you'll need to drop your distribution to 4% to get through a rough market, and sometimes you can bump it to 5% in better times.
That means to produce $33,000 of inflation-adjusted distributions, you would need somewhere between $660,000 and $825,000 in retirement savings.
• A 5% distribution on $660,000 gets you $33,000, and a 4% distribution on $825,000 gets you $33,000.
Now that might seem like a lot of money, but it's about right. And the main reason you need so much is because of inflation. If inflation runs at 3% for the next 25 years, your initial distribution would need to grow from $33,000 to about $66,000. Well, if you're taking out $66,000 a year, you can see that even a $660,000 portfolio probably won't last too long.
If you don't think you'll have that much saved, then take whatever amount you think you'll have saved by age 66, and multiply it by .04, to get a sense of the low range of your distributions, and then by .05, to get a sense of the higher range of your distributions.
For instance, let's assume you think you'll have $350,000 saved by age 66. Well, if you multiply $350,000 by .04, you'll get $14,000, which would be your annual distribution at 4%. If you multiply it by .05, you'll get $17,500, which would be your annual distribution at 5%. Add those numbers to your Social Security benefit, and you have a rough estimate of how much income you'll have to live on in retirement.
If you don't think Social Security will be around, then take Social Security out of your calculations and run the estimates just based off your savings. Now you'll see why Social Security is so important. Without it, you'd need somewhere between $1.2 million and $1.5 million just to produce $60,000 of retirement income.

Bottom Line
Even middle income families will need sizable nest eggs to maintain their lifestyles in retirement.

Muddy
04-22-2011, 12:42 AM
I know no one will comment on this crappy thread.. But really... it's something we all need to think about at some point..

RBP
04-22-2011, 12:44 AM
I found it interest-ing... I crack me up. :lol:

Muddy
04-22-2011, 12:46 AM
Id love to have a pension... Those folks have it made, in the shade, with a glass of lemonade..

Teh One Who Knocks
04-22-2011, 12:49 AM
Retire on $60K a year? :-s

That's more than I make now while working for a living

RBP
04-22-2011, 12:50 AM
Indeed, but for most, you really have to start early and never, ever, under any circumstances, touch it.

Muddy
04-22-2011, 12:50 AM
Retire on $60K a year? :-s

That's more than I make now while working for a living


I think its representing a man and wife combo... Cut that in half...

RBP
04-22-2011, 01:05 AM
I'll have a sugar momma by then :hand:

Pony
04-22-2011, 01:09 AM
I'm not gonna be around long enough to worry about it.

RBP
04-22-2011, 01:10 AM
I'm not gonna be around long enough to worry about it.

:shock:

Muddy
04-22-2011, 01:16 AM
I'm not gonna be around long enough to worry about it.

Well that doesn't sound good...

DemonGeminiX
04-22-2011, 02:15 AM
Win the lottery.

:tup:

deebakes
04-22-2011, 02:17 AM
I know no one will comment on this crappy thread.. But really... it's something we all need to think about at some point..

and some of us sooner than others, right grandpa?

Godfather
04-22-2011, 03:22 AM
Gotta save 10% every paycheck from a young age... all about living below your means :mrgreen:

Some cleche wisdom from my parents... bankers of 35+ years

Muddy
04-22-2011, 01:06 PM
Gotta save 10% every paycheck from a young age... all about living below your means :mrgreen:

Some cleche wisdom from my parents... bankers of 35+ years


I prolly should bump mine up to 10%... I've been doing 6% forever.

Acid Trip
04-22-2011, 01:14 PM
I prolly should bump mine up to 10%... I've been doing 6% forever.

I'm guessing that 6% is going into a 401k with employer match of 50-100%. So really you are saving 9%-12% depending on the match.

Muddy
04-22-2011, 01:16 PM
I'm guessing that 6% is going into a 401k with employer match of 50-100%. So really you are saving 9%-12% depending on the match.

Exactly... except the match isn't that spectacular.. Its maybe 1.5-3% I think...

Im thinking of taking the added 4% and putting it elsewhere.. In case the 401k is a failure...

KevinD
04-22-2011, 02:06 PM
I did 15% for 15 years at my last job, with a company mach of 6% (401k). My current company doesn't match, but I still do 10%. I don't worry too much about the exact amount I have in there at any giver time, but, it's decent.

FBD
04-22-2011, 02:10 PM
Mine's doing allright, I have my stuff conservatively placed for the most part, didnt take too much of a hit last couple years. I hope its there when I'm ready for it :roll: Barring some catastrophe, really...

PorkChopSandwiches
04-22-2011, 02:36 PM
I prefer to invest in property, hopefully by the time I'm ready to retire they will be paid off and throwing out large amounts of cash monthly ;)

Yt Trash
04-22-2011, 07:15 PM
I prefer to invest in property, hopefully by the time I'm ready to retire they will be paid off and throwing out large amounts of cash monthly ;)

This is what I'm doing as well. I have a condo I own outright that's being rented, it's not much but it's mine. We have a house now and would like to buy more investment properties, but it's tough with my earnings not what they used to be.

deebakes
04-22-2011, 11:42 PM
you just have to do more whorin' :thumbsup:

lost in melb.
04-25-2011, 08:58 AM
(talking to no-one in particular) Just save 10% of your earnings and invest it. There we go, problem solved :thumbsup:

Muddy
04-25-2011, 06:13 PM
Got my statement.... My 401 grew $10,000.. :shock: