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Teh One Who Knocks
03-01-2013, 12:30 PM
The Associated Press


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DETROIT – The speedometer on the Toyota Yaris says the tiny car can go 140 miles per hour.

In reality, the bulbous subcompact's 106-horsepower engine and automatic transmission can't push it any faster than 109.

So why do the Yaris -- and most other cars sold in the U.S. -- have speedometers that show top speeds they can't possibly reach?

The answer has deep roots in an American culture that loves the rush of driving fast. The automakers' marketing departments are happy to give people the illusion that their family car can travel at speeds rivaling a NASCAR racer. And companies often use one speedometer type in various models across the world, saving them money.

But critics say the ever-higher numbers are misleading. Some warn they create a safety concern, daring drivers to push past freeway speed limits that are 65 to 75 mph in most states.

"You reach a point where it becomes ridiculous," says Larry Dominique, a former Nissan product chief who now is executive vice president of the TrueCar.com auto pricing website. "Eighty percent plus of the cars on the road are not designed for and will not go over 110 mph."

Last year, speedometer top speeds for new versions of the mainstream Ford Fusion and Chevrolet Malibu were increased from 120 or 140 mph to 160, which approaches speeds on some NASCAR tracks. The speedometer on the Honda Accord already topped out at 160. All are midsize family haulers, the most popular segment of the U.S. auto market, and like most new cars, have top speeds that seldom exceed 120 mph.

The Yaris got its 140 mph speedometer in a redesign for the 2012 model year, giving it the same top reading as the original 1953 Chevrolet Corvette sports car. Even the new Nissan Sentra compact has a 160 mph speedometer.

There are several explanations for the speedometers.

When people are comparison shopping, cars with higher speedometer readings appear to be sportier, and buyers favor them even though they have no intention of driving over 100. "People really want to see higher numbers," said Fawaz Baltaji, a business development manager for Yazaki North America, a large supplier of speedometers for auto companies. "It is indicative of a more powerful engine. There's a marketing pitch to it."

Although cars with high-horsepower engines can come close to the top speedometer speeds, most are limited by engine control computers. That's because the tires can overheat and fail at higher speeds. Tires now common on mainstream cars often can't go above 130 mph or they could fail. Many tires, especially on older models, have speed limits as low as 112. But that's still faster than most people will ever drive.

Automakers, in a push to cut costs, now sell the same cars worldwide and use the same speedometers in different cars all over the world. In China and Europe, governments require that the top number on speedometers be higher than a car's top speed. Cars sold in Europe, for instance, have faster top speeds than those sold elsewhere because they can be driven over 150 mph on sections of Germany's Autobahn.

So to sell the same car or speedometer globally, the numbers have to be higher, said Kurt Tesnow, who's in charge of speedometer and instrument clusters for General Motors.

Also, some mainstream cars have some souped-up cousins that go faster and need higher speedometer numbers. A Chevy Malibu with a 2-liter turbocharged engine, for instance, can go 155 mph, far higher than the mainstream version. The little Toyota Yaris gets its speedometer from another Toyota model that's sold in other countries. "It's not that each speedometer is designed for that specific vehicle," said Greg Thome, a company spokesman.

Lastly, research has found that most people like the needle to hit highway speeds at the top of the speedometer's circle, said Yazaki's Baltaji. So the common freeway cruising speed of 70 to 80 mph is right in the middle on a 160 mph speedometer, he said.

The rising speedometer numbers aren't surprising to Joan Claybrook, the top federal auto safety regulator under President Jimmy Carter. She's been fighting the escalation for years and says it encourages drivers -- especially younger ones -- to drive too fast. During her tenure, she briefly got speedometer numbers lowered.

"They think that speed sells," she said of automakers. "People buy these cars because they want to go fast."

Some drivers at dealerships Tuesday conceded that marketing the higher speeds could have worked on them -- at least when they were younger.

Paul Lampinen, 36, Ann Arbor, Mich., said he bought a Ram Pickup with a V-8 engine because he likes a powerful truck. The higher speedometer numbers could have influenced him when he was in his 20s, but they wouldn't work now, he said. "I don't want to pay any tickets," he said while getting his truck serviced at a Chrysler dealer in nearby Saline, Mich.

For years, most speedometers topped out at 120 -- even though that was 50 mph over the limit in most states. Then, in 1980, Claybrook, who ran the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, limited speedometers to 85 mph, even though cars could go much faster.

The move, designed to end the temptation to push cars to their limits, drew outrage from gearheads nationwide. Some automakers got around the rule by ending the numbers at 85 but leaving lines beyond that to show higher speeds. The government also forced automakers to highlight 55 mph, which at the time was the fuel-saving national speed limit.

The limit was short-lived, overturned two years later by President Ronald Reagan, who campaigned on a pledge to end onerous government regulations. Cars with 85 mph speedometers lingered for several years until they were redesigned and the maximum speeds for most returned to 120.

By the 2000s, however, the speedometer speeds crept higher. Even compact cars showed 130 or 140 mph. The 2014 Chevrolet Corvette speedometer and some Jaguar models now peak at 200.

Claybrook concedes there's no data to show the 85 mph limit saved lives, but she believes it did. She called the ever-higher speedometer numbers immoral.

At present, the government has no plans to reinstate speedometer limits or regulate top speeds, saying there's no evidence to show it would prevent crashes. "Ultimately, drivers are subject to speed limits mandated by the states regardless of the top speed listed on a vehicle speedometer," NHTSA spokeswoman Lynda Tran said.

But Claybrook isn't satisfied. "To have a car register any more than the maximum speed limit is really a statement by the company: Drive faster. It's OK," she said. "It's encouraging people to violate the law."

FBD
03-01-2013, 12:51 PM
At present, the government has no plans to reinstate speedometer limits or regulate top speeds, saying there's no evidence to show it would prevent crashes. "Ultimately, drivers are subject to speed limits mandated by the states regardless of the top speed listed on a vehicle speedometer," NHTSA spokeswoman Lynda Tran said.

But Claybrook isn't satisfied. "To have a car register any more than the maximum speed limit is really a statement by the company: Drive faster. It's OK," she said. "It's encouraging people to violate the law."
but if we control how high the speedometer goes, that will control whether or not people speed! :facepalm: the lack of logic displayed by government employees is absolutely astonishing. and we wonder why they think taking our guns is a good idea.

Muddy
03-01-2013, 02:31 PM
My 4runner can do 325mph.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-01-2013, 02:39 PM
How many turbos does it have?

Muddy
03-01-2013, 02:45 PM
12 of course.. :mrgreen:

KevinD
03-02-2013, 01:23 AM
I have buried the speedo in every car I've ever had.

Loser
03-02-2013, 02:52 AM
That escort I drove did EXACTLY the amount the speedometer said it maxed at....

Then the engine blew up :lol:

RBP
03-02-2013, 03:15 AM
I have buried the speedo in every car I've ever had.

Kevin in a speedo? :wha:

deebakes
03-02-2013, 03:20 AM
that seems like it would be speeding and illegal :nono:

KevinD
03-02-2013, 03:27 AM
Only if I got caught, lol

FBD
03-04-2013, 11:57 AM
I have buried the speedo in every car I've ever had.

:lol: I remember the ol 87 stang, the mileage reset was at 6 o clock and sometimes the speedometer would move off of it on the highway...but just about every single other car I've owned has had the speedometer go plenty faster than the vehicle. no way my explorer's going over 120, my ol maxima wouldnt go 155, etc..

Goofy
03-04-2013, 12:32 PM
Mine goes up to 11 :tup:

KevinD
03-04-2013, 03:10 PM
My 99 Z28 speedometer went to 165. GPS verified , the car would go 170, BUT, that was all motor and gearing. The suspension and brakes were defo NOT designed to go that fast. My Dodge truck speedometer goes to 120, and I've had it to 130, the wife's Caliber SRT4 goes to 180 iirc, which is ludicrous. I've had it to about 135 or so, but backed out of it. The car was NOT comfortable at that speed.

Hal-9000
03-04-2013, 03:12 PM
My Grand Amborghini can do zero to sixty by lunchtime and has a top speed of 42 kmh.....I can feel the G-forces push me back into the seat in every gear

KevinD
03-04-2013, 03:14 PM
That's just enough acceleration to keep the dope smoke in your face...Excellent!

Hugh_Janus
03-04-2013, 07:36 PM
the speedo on my nissan didn't have enough numbers

KevinD
03-04-2013, 07:40 PM
One thing that is odd on my wife's CSRT4 is that the speedometer is numbered in multiples of 20 instead of 10.

Hugh_Janus
03-04-2013, 07:46 PM
One thing that is odd on my wife's CSRT4 is that the speedometer is numbered in multiples of 20 instead of 10.

the speedo on my skoda goes up in increments of 10 until 90, then it gopes up in increments of 20 until 150 :lol:

Acid Trip
03-04-2013, 07:55 PM
One thing that is odd on my wife's CSRT4 is that the speedometer is numbered in multiples of 20 instead of 10.

Every Honda I've ever owned (four total) has gone up in multiples of 20. My parents own BMWs and theirs go up by 20 too.

I remember when Jeeps went up by 5 or 10 and stopped at 80mph.

KevinD
03-04-2013, 07:56 PM
Hmm, pretty sure all mine have been by 10 through the years. Never had an import of any kind so dunno about them.

Hal-9000
03-04-2013, 08:33 PM
the speedo on my nissan didn't have enough numbers

remedial manufacturing? :-s

Muddy
03-04-2013, 08:33 PM
My 4runner is the tardis.

Hal-9000
03-04-2013, 08:35 PM
My 4runner is the tardis.


goes so fast you get there last year? :lol:

Muddy
03-04-2013, 08:43 PM
goes so fast you get there last year? :lol:

And it's bigger on the inside. :d

Hal-9000
03-04-2013, 09:54 PM
my bud drives a Tacoma...few years older than Lance's. He likes Toyota and says they make good product

Muddy
03-04-2013, 09:59 PM
They're ok..

Hal-9000
03-04-2013, 10:00 PM
I only see Toyotas in my rear view mirror so I can't judge...








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DemonGeminiX
03-05-2013, 01:11 AM
There's a portion of 75/85 northbound between Macon and Atlanta where the speed limit is or was 65 but apparently went unenforced (this was between 1997 and 2001). It was just past the midpoint between, if I recall correctly. I swear, for a stretch of about 10 miles, everyone would go no lower than 95 mph. It didn't matter what time of day it was or how heavy or light the traffic was, there was just a certain point on the highway where everyone would just hit the gas and haul ass at ridiculous speeds. It felt like I was racing in NASCAR.

Hal-9000
03-05-2013, 02:14 AM
Isn't there a long stretch of highway in Australia that runs east/west in the southern region where you can go for something like 1000 miles and not see a soul? I imagine guys winding up their vehicles going down that road :lol:

KevinD
03-05-2013, 02:26 AM
Yeah, but it's dirt, lol

Hal-9000
03-05-2013, 02:41 AM
they haven't got pavement down there yet? Fookin Crikey! :lol:

FBD
03-05-2013, 01:01 PM
There's a portion of 75/85 northbound between Macon and Atlanta where the speed limit is or was 65 but apparently went unenforced (this was between 1997 and 2001). It was just past the midpoint between, if I recall correctly. I swear, for a stretch of about 10 miles, everyone would go no lower than 95 mph. It didn't matter what time of day it was or how heavy or light the traffic was, there was just a certain point on the highway where everyone would just hit the gas and haul ass at ridiculous speeds. It felt like I was racing in NASCAR.that's what rt 15 is up here heading down towards nyc (if you're not taking 95, which is jammed up and sucks) - but almost all rush hour is (until you get a dumbass) 85, 90 mph, bumper to bumper. and all 2 lanes. you get an accident...there's plenty of spots where there isnt even enough room to pull over, it jams up so fast its insane!