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Teh One Who Knocks
03-04-2013, 12:18 PM
The Los Angeles Times


The executive director of a senior living facility in Bakersfield defended its policies that apparently prohibited a nurse last week from giving CPR to an elderly woman who was said to be barely breathing and later died.

“In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives,” Jeffrey Toomer, director of the facility, said in a statement on behalf of Glenwood Gardens.

“That is the protocol we followed," he said. "As with any incident involving a resident, we will conduct a thorough internal review of this matter, but we have no further comments at this time.”

Bakersfield fire dispatcher Tracey Halvorson pleaded with the nurse on the phone, begging her to start CPR on the elderly resident, according to the 911 tape released by the Bakersfield Fire Department.

“It’s a human being,” Halvorson said, speaking quickly.

“Is there anybody that’s willing to help this lady and not let her die?”

The woman paused.

“Um, not at this time.”

The nurse refused to give the woman CPR, saying it was against the facility’s policy for staff to do so, according to the tape.

The elderly woman was identified by KGET-TV as 87-year-old Lorraine Bayless. She died Tuesday at Mercy Hospital Southwest, KGET reported.

On the tape, a different Glenwood Gardens employee said that an elderly woman had passed out in the facility’s dining room while eating and was barely breathing.

For several minutes, Halvorson begged the nurse to begin CPR, saying something had to be done before an ambulance arrived.

After the nurse repeatedly refused, Halvorson asked her to find a passerby or anyone who would be willing to help. Halvorson said she would talk someone through performing CPR.

“I understand if your facility is not willing to do that,” Halvorson told the nurse. “Give the phone to that passerby, that stranger. … This woman’s not breathing enough.

“She’s going to die if we don’t get this started. … I don’t understand why you’re not willing to help this patient.”
The nurse could be heard talking to someone else at the facility.

“She’s yelling at me,” she said of Halvorson, “and saying we have to have one of our residents perform CPR. I’m feeling stressed, and I’m not going to do that, make that call.”

The patient did not have a do-not-resuscitate order, according to KGET-TV.

When Halvorson asked the nurse if she was going to let the woman die, the nurse said, “That’s why we called 911.”

After a few minutes, the nurse said the ambulance had arrived. The tape ended with Halvorson sighing.

Bakersfield Fire Battalion Chief Anthony Galagaza said Halvorson followed protocol and that dispatchers give CPR instructions over the phone numerous times each year.

Bayless' daughter told KGET that she was a nurse and was satisfied with her mother's care at Glenwood Gardens, the station reported.

FBD
03-04-2013, 01:59 PM
Bayless' daughter told KGET that she was a nurse and was satisfied with her mother's lack of care and subsequent removal from the problems list at Glenwood Gardens, the station reported.

:x fixed

fkn disgusting on many levels

Acid Trip
03-04-2013, 03:43 PM
Did the patient have a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order or is it just company policy to NOT perform CPR?

Performing CPR on someone with a DNR order is considered assault.

FBD
03-04-2013, 03:51 PM
said right in there they did not have a DNR ;)

Acid Trip
03-04-2013, 03:54 PM
said right in there they did not have a DNR ;)

This is the fourth version of the story I've read today and they are all a little different. The previous 3 didn't mention a DNR or not.

BTW a patient who stays at a facility where they do not provide CPR would sign something attesting to that fact. If the facility did not tell patients then they are in deep doo doo.

KevinD
03-04-2013, 04:17 PM
I heard the 911 call on the radio this morning. Absolutely disgusting how the nurse acted. I understand that in "assisted living" homes (as opposed to "retirement" homes) CPR is not generally given, and calling 911 is actually first response, however, I don't understand at all how a nurse, fully qualified in CPR could stand there and watch someone die, doing nothing to help. I was a first responder (fireman, though, not EMS/EMT)) for many years and would never have been able to not help.

FBD
03-04-2013, 05:02 PM
yeah man, I couldnt just sit there and watch that shit go down either. that takes some dispassion on a pretty core level if you ask me.

FBD
03-06-2013, 07:20 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NO_CPR_WOMAN_DIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-03-06-11-49-32

so she did have a DNR but its not all that clear the place knew about it?

Hal-9000
03-06-2013, 07:52 PM
"...saying it was against the facility’s policy for staff to do so, according to the tape."

This makes it sound like they don't do in general, regardless of a possible DNR


We may have to put my Mom into a home soon and the cheapest I've found for full care is 4000/mo. I've heard some horror stories even about the expensive care facilities....burned patients with bathwater, gave the wrong medication to people, abusive mentally and physically, forgot about meals...






I will only say one thing on the subject....If my Ma goes into a home and someone there doesn't attempt CPR when she needs it, I will raise holy fucking hell and no one will forget the story.

Pony
03-06-2013, 08:46 PM
4k a month? When can you drop her off?