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Teh One Who Knocks
03-07-2013, 11:51 AM
By HYUNG-JIN KIM and EDITH M. LEDERER | Associated Press


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SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea on Thursday vowed to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the United States, amplifying its threatening rhetoric hours ahead of a vote by U.N. diplomats on whether to level new sanctions against Pyongyang for its recent nuclear test.

An unidentified spokesman for Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said the North will exercise its right for "a preemptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors" because Washington is pushing to start a nuclear war against the North.

Although North Korea boasts of nuclear bombs and pre-emptive strikes, it is not thought to have mastered the ability to produce a warhead small enough to put on a missile capable of reaching the U.S. It is believed to have enough nuclear fuel, however, for several crude nuclear devices.

Such inflammatory rhetoric is common from North Korea, and especially so in recent days. North Korea is angry over the possible sanctions and over upcoming U.S.-South Korean military drills. At a mass rally in Pyongyang on Thursday, tens of thousands of North Koreans protested the U.S.-South Korean war drills and sanctions.

The U.N. Security Council is set to impose a fourth round of sanctions against Pyongyang in a fresh attempt to rein in its nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, the current council president, said the council will vote on the draft sanctions resolution Thursday morning.

The resolution was drafted by the United States and China, North Korea's closest ally. The council's agreement to put the resolution to a vote just 48 hours later signaled that it would almost certainly have the support of all 15 council members.

The statement by the North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman was carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

It accused the U.S. of leading efforts to slap sanctions on North Korea. The statement said the new sanctions would only advance the timing for North Korea to fulfill previous vows to take "powerful second and third countermeasures" against its enemies. It hasn't elaborated on those measures.

The statement said North Korea "strongly warns the U.N. Security Council not to make another big blunder like the one in the past when it earned the inveterate grudge of the Korean nation by acting as a war servant for the U.S. in 1950."

North Korea demanded the U.N. Security Council immediately dismantle the American-led U.N. Command that's based in Seoul and move to end the state of war that exists on the Korean Peninsula, which continues six decades after fighting stopped because an armistice, not a peace treaty, ended the war.

In anticipation of the resolution's adoption, North Korea earlier in the week threatened to cancel the 1953 cease-fire that ended the Korean War.

North Korean threats have become more common as tensions have escalated following a rocket launch by Pyongyang in December and its third nuclear test on Feb. 12. Both acts defied three Security Council resolutions that bar North Korea from testing or using nuclear or ballistic missile technology and from importing or exporting material for these programs.

U.S. U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice said the proposed resolution, to be voted on at 10 a.m. EST (1500 GMT), would impose some of the strongest sanctions ever ordered by the United Nations.

The final version of the draft resolution, released Wednesday, identified three individuals, one corporation and one organization that would be added to the U.N. sanctions list if the measure is approved.

The targets include top officials at a company that is the country's primary arms dealer and main exporter of ballistic missile-related equipment, and a national organization responsible for research and development of missiles and probably nuclear weapons.

The success of a new round of sanctions could depend on enforcement by China, where most of the companies and banks that North Korea is believed to work with are based.

The United States and other nations worry that North Korea's third nuclear test pushed it closer to its goal of gaining nuclear missiles that can reach the U.S. The international community has condemned the regime's nuclear and missile efforts as threats to regional security and a drain on the resources that could go to North Korea's largely destitute people.

The draft resolution condemns the latest nuclear test "in the strongest terms" for violating and flagrantly disregarding council resolutions, bans further ballistic missile launches, nuclear tests "or any other provocation," and demands that North Korea return to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. It also condemns all of North Korea's ongoing nuclear activities, including its uranium enrichment.

But the proposed resolution stresses the council's commitment "to a peaceful, diplomatic and political solution" and urged a resumption of six-party talks with the aim of denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula "in a peaceful manner."

The proposed resolution would make it significantly harder for North Korea to move around the funds it needs to carry out its illicit programs and strengthen existing sanctions and the inspection of suspect cargo bound to and from the country. It would also ban countries from exporting specific luxury goods to the North, including yachts, luxury automobiles, racing cars, and jewelry with semi-precious and precious stones and precious metals.

According to the draft, all countries would now be required to freeze financial transactions or services that could contribute to North Korea's nuclear or missile programs.

To get around financial sanctions, North Koreans have been carrying around large suitcases filled with cash to move illicit funds. The draft resolution expresses concern that these bulk cash transfers may be used to evade sanctions. It clarifies that the freeze on financial transactions and services that could violate sanctions applies to all cash transfers as well as the cash couriers.

The proposed resolution also bans all countries from providing public financial support for trade deals, such as granting export credits, guarantees or insurance, if the assistance could contribute to the North's nuclear or missile programs.

It includes what a senior diplomat called unprecedented new travel sanctions that would require countries to expel agents working for sanctioned North Korean companies.

The draft also requires states to inspect suspect cargo on their territory and prevent any vessel that refuses an inspection from entering their ports. And a new aviation measure calls on states to deny aircraft permission to take off, land or fly over their territory if illicit cargo is suspected to be aboard.

Acid Trip
03-07-2013, 02:07 PM
Hopefully they choose DC and rid us of all the politicians.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-07-2013, 02:10 PM
If China jointly drafted the resolutions with the United States, why hasn't NK threatened to nuke them too? :-k

redred
03-07-2013, 02:12 PM
because they have lots of dogs? :shrug:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-07-2013, 02:14 PM
because they have lots of dogs? :shrug:

http://i.imgur.com/s3s4Qt6.png

We have more than twice as many as China :hand:

redred
03-07-2013, 02:25 PM
shipping costs would be a bitch wouldn't it

FBD
03-07-2013, 03:33 PM
so when do we fly in and decimate every single nuclear site of theirs? [-(

Griffin
03-08-2013, 12:11 AM
I'm glad my son is out of S.Korea now because the US bases there will be the first hit.

Hal-9000
03-08-2013, 02:38 AM
North Korea is going to nuke the USA???


http://i.imgur.com/oeArrzh.jpg






oh, that was me just squeezing out a lil poopie in the bath tub, no need to worry....carry on

Griffin
03-08-2013, 02:48 AM
North Korea is going to nuke the USA???[/IMG]



don't poop yet, the title only says US.

...it doesn't say who us is. :shifty:

Hal-9000
03-08-2013, 03:03 AM
don't poop yet, the title only says US.

...it doesn't say who us is. :shifty:

thanks Grif! :)

http://i.imgur.com/n21r7hs.jpg

Hal-9000
03-08-2013, 03:04 AM
...meanwhile in North Korea




I gonna blow the clap outta USA, they mock me now but they will pay!!!! :x


http://i.imgur.com/93Z9Hhc.jpg

Griffin
03-08-2013, 03:13 AM
LMAO!

I used to have that pic as an AVI at BnS Live. :lol:

Griffin
03-08-2013, 03:15 AM
it was smokin though

Hal-9000
03-08-2013, 03:20 AM
:lol:


first time I saw Kim Jong Il was literally about a month before I watched Team America World Police....when he sang the Ronely Song I just about peed myself

Griffin
03-08-2013, 03:24 AM
must have been a golden moment

Hal-9000
03-08-2013, 03:27 AM
I was showered in the warmth of the humor and wet from the tears.....damn I laughed

Griffin
03-08-2013, 03:34 AM
I squint in your honor

Godfather
03-08-2013, 04:37 AM
Does anyone ever seriously consider if maybe we could actually get spanked by a 3rd world country like Iran or N Korea waging asymmetric war? (not an actual full scale loss, but a strategic/psychological blow))

I only ask because I recently read about that Millennium Challenge from 2002 when Ret. General Paul Van Riper absolutely spanked a modern US Naval Fleet playing the part of a 'smaller 'belligerent' nation, by using asymmetric strategy. He used motorcycles to transmit messages, suicide boats to wipe out half a high-tech naval fleet, and only used modern communication equipment to transmit gibberish and confuse the blue 'American' side during the war game simulation.

The loss was basically swept under the rug and Riper felt the military learned nothing, instead using the defeat to further entrench in their strategies that he proved could be defeated using "WWII era" strategies and tactics. The dude resigned in outrage...

*shrug*

lost in melb.
03-08-2013, 11:47 AM
shipping costs would be a bitch wouldn't it

hahaha

lost in melb.
03-08-2013, 11:49 AM
Does anyone ever seriously consider if maybe we could actually get spanked by a 3rd world country like Iran or N Korea waging asymmetric war? (not an actual full scale loss, but a strategic/psychological blow))

I only ask because I recently read about that Millennium Challenge from 2002 when Ret. General Paul Van Riper absolutely spanked a modern US Naval Fleet playing the part of a 'smaller 'belligerent' nation, by using asymmetric strategy. He used motorcycles to transmit messages, suicide boats to wipe out half a high-tech naval fleet, and only used modern communication equipment to transmit gibberish and confuse the blue 'American' side during the war game simulation.

The loss was basically swept under the rug and Riper felt the military learned nothing, instead using the defeat to further entrench in their strategies that he proved could be defeated using "WWII era" strategies and tactics. The dude resigned in outrage...

*shrug*

Well, the US has been if not spanked, then morally defeated by third word countries before. I think the difference here is that everyone hates N. Korea

Or, at least the government of N. Korea.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-08-2013, 11:58 AM
Does anyone ever seriously consider if maybe we could actually get spanked by a 3rd world country like Iran or N Korea waging asymmetric war? (not an actual full scale loss, but a strategic/psychological blow))

I only ask because I recently read about that Millennium Challenge from 2002 when Ret. General Paul Van Riper absolutely spanked a modern US Naval Fleet playing the part of a 'smaller 'belligerent' nation, by using asymmetric strategy. He used motorcycles to transmit messages, suicide boats to wipe out half a high-tech naval fleet, and only used modern communication equipment to transmit gibberish and confuse the blue 'American' side during the war game simulation.

The loss was basically swept under the rug and Riper felt the military learned nothing, instead using the defeat to further entrench in their strategies that he proved could be defeated using "WWII era" strategies and tactics. The dude resigned in outrage...

*shrug*

I've seen that story/report and I dunno how much I believe the whole thing. Could a modern military force like the United States be caught off guard with unexpected tactics? Sure, it's happened before and will happen again, but do you really think that some rogue nation could decimate a carrier battle group using stone knives and bearskins? Highly doubtful IMHO.

http://i.imgur.com/AU4y41nh.jpg

And that's just one carrier battle group, usually if the US expects trouble, they have a 2nd battle group either there or not far away.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-08-2013, 12:01 PM
Well, the US has been if not spanked, then morally defeated by third word countries before. I think the difference here is that everyone hates N. Korea

Or, at least the government of N. Korea.

The United States military has never been 'spanked' by a third world country. The US government put unreasonable restraints on what the military forces could and could not do and that is what has caused the 'defeats' that have happened since WW2.

Do you honestly think that if the US military was told to take North Vietnam at all costs that we would have lost the war? Or that if the military could have fought a 'real' war, that we would still be in Iraq and Afghanistan?

lost in melb.
03-08-2013, 12:39 PM
The United States military has never been 'spanked' by a third world country. The US government put unreasonable restraints on what the military forces could and could not do and that is what has caused the 'defeats' that have happened since WW2.

Do you honestly think that if the US military was told to take North Vietnam at all costs that we would have lost the war? Or that if the military could have fought a 'real' war, that we would still be in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Acknowledged, hence the "if not spanked". :) If any of the above foes had actually threatened US soil, I think they would be dealt with very quickly. They wouldn't have close to the military capacity/nouse of say, WW2 Japan/Germany - and the US would be much more powerful than in WW2.

I wouldn't hold your breath though! I think wars are getting even more PC - to the point of helping the enemy with one hand whilst you fight them with the other. Not sure how that is meant to work :-k

FBD
03-08-2013, 12:49 PM
I'm sure - that's how you keep it going in perpetuity.

Hal-9000
03-08-2013, 07:07 PM
9/11 was a bit of a spanking because of the audacity/relative simplicity of the act...


those are the kind of things I worry about...not so far fetched to think that a nuclear device could enter the country in some back handed manner and be set off with the terrorists standing right next to it


a concerted actual war effort involving fleets of ships or ground troops? I don't think so..

PorkChopSandwiches
03-08-2013, 07:11 PM
9/11 was a bit of a spanking because of the audacity/relative simplicity of the act...


those are the kind of things I worry about...not so far fetched to think that a nuclear device could enter the country in some back handed manner and be set off with the terrorists standing right next to it


a concerted actual war effort involving fleets of ships or ground troops? I don't think so..

:hand: Our government was staging that in order to push the patriot act

Hal-9000
03-08-2013, 07:17 PM
Sertessandwiches :thumbsup:

PorkChopSandwiches
03-08-2013, 07:26 PM
Seems too convenient to me

Hal-9000
03-08-2013, 07:29 PM
Porkster do you believe that something was amiss from the accepted version of 9/11?

PorkChopSandwiches
03-08-2013, 07:37 PM
I dont think its impossible, and I absolutely dont believe what our government feeds us.

Acid Trip
03-08-2013, 08:01 PM
Seems too convenient to me

Most of the Patriot Act was drafted BEFORE 9/11. They were just waiting for a reason to pass it. They either found the reason or manufactured it (ie 9/11).

PorkChopSandwiches
03-08-2013, 08:29 PM
Yeah like I said conveniently ready to go :twisted:

DemonGeminiX
03-08-2013, 09:40 PM
So what are they gonna nuke us with? Empty Folger's cans that they farted in?

:-s

Muddy
03-08-2013, 09:42 PM
Very interesting dialogue in here.. (except DGX of course)

DemonGeminiX
03-08-2013, 09:42 PM
:dance:

Muddy
03-08-2013, 09:43 PM
:d