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Teh One Who Knocks
03-20-2013, 10:55 AM
By Todd Starnes - FOX News


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New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle.

“Someone called family services about the photo,” said Evan Nappen, an attorney representing Shawn Moore. “It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids.”

Moore was not arrested or charged.

A Dept. of Children and Families spokesperson told Fox News they could not confirm or deny an investigation or raid had taken place due to government regulations.

“The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline,” spokesperson Kristen Brown said. “We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.”

Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.

He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the state’s hunter safety course.

“If you look at the picture, his finger isn’t even on the trigger – which is proper,” Nappen told Fox News. “If half of Hollywood could follow that rule we’d be thankful.”

Brown said their role is not to go out and search Facebook for photos of children holding weapons.

“In general our role is to investigate allegations of child abuse and neglect,” she said.

The family’s trouble started Saturday night when Moore received an urgent text message from his wife. The Carneys Point Police Dept. and the New Jersey Dept. of Children and Families had raided their home.

Moore immediately called Nappen and rushed home to find officers demanding to check his guns and his gun safe.

Instead, he handed the cell phone to one of the officers – so they could speak with Nappen.

“If you have a warrant, you’re coming in,” Nappen told the officers. “If you don’t, then you’re not. That’s what privacy is all about.”

With his attorney on speaker phone, Moore instructed the officers to leave his home.

“I was told I was being unreasonable and that I was acting suspicious because I wouldn’t open my safe,” Moore wrote on the Delaware Open Carry website. “They told me they were going to get a search warrant. I told them to go ahead.”

Nappen told Fox News the police wanted to inventory his firearms.

“”We said no way, it’s not happening,” he said. “This is a guy who is completely credentialed and his son is also credentialed.”

The attorney said police eventually left and never returned.

“He has a Fourth Amendment right and he’s not going to give up his Fourth Amendment right or his Second Amendment right,” he said. “They didn’t have a warrant – so see you later.”

Brown told Fox News that it’s “prudent and wise to protect children.”

“In many cases we may follow up on something and we don’t find any problems and the case is closed,” she said.

But the person who reported the false allegations of abuse cannot be held liable, she noted.

“You can’t be prosecuted for making an allegation of child abuse –even if it’s false,” she said.

Nappen said what happened to the Moore family should serve as a warning to gun owners across the nation.

“To make someone go through this because he posted a picture of his son with a .22 rifle on his Facebook page is pretty outrageous,” he said. “Does that mean that anyone who posts a picture like that has to consent to a home inspection and a gun inspection? I don’t think so.”

Nappen said they are considering taking legal action against the state for the late night raid.

redred
03-20-2013, 10:59 AM
overkill but in this day and age maybe think before posting a kid holding a gun all over facebook

FBD
03-20-2013, 02:23 PM
overkill but in this day and age maybe think before posting a kid holding a gun all over facebook
bull shit!

and double bull shit on the asshole that called the cops, triple bullshit on the cops for showing up and thinking they were going to raid someone's house without a fkn warrant!!!

wtf is this world coming to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PorkChopSandwiches
03-20-2013, 03:17 PM
jesus christo. :facepalm:

KevinD
03-20-2013, 03:19 PM
So welcome...


To the machine.....

redred
03-20-2013, 04:12 PM
http://i.imgur.com/5pUDjyr.jpg

PorkChopSandwiches
03-20-2013, 04:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/rY8f73B.jpg

redred
03-20-2013, 04:35 PM
out of interest once you get your license and your gun safe is passed ok ( do you even need a safe?) is that it the safe is never checked again? and do you have your license reviewed ever ?

PorkChopSandwiches
03-20-2013, 04:53 PM
Engrish?


A gun safe is not required by law.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-20-2013, 04:54 PM
Neither is a license at the Federal level...not sure in any states require it or not though. I think Illinois might...Loser or RBP would know on that one :-k

PorkChopSandwiches
03-20-2013, 05:08 PM
For a handgun we have to have a handgun safety certificate in CA, but anything else you just have to pass the screening and wait 10 days.

RBP
03-20-2013, 05:42 PM
Neither is a license at the Federal level...not sure in any states require it or not though. I think Illinois might...Loser or RBP would know on that one :-k

In Illinois you have to get approved for a firearms owners identification (FOID card) and then of course the background check at purchase.

Acid Trip
03-20-2013, 07:10 PM
In Texas you go into a gun store, fill out the background check, wait 5-10 minutes, pay and walk out with your gun.

No permit, no license, no safe required. The only time you need paperwork beyond the background check is if you want a CCL.

KevinD
03-20-2013, 07:28 PM
Shhh, dammit Acid, they're already migrating here in droves. What you wanna let them know that for? Might as well have told them we have no state income tax either... :oops:

:lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
03-20-2013, 07:34 PM
:tup:

Acid Trip
03-20-2013, 08:50 PM
Shhh, dammit Acid, they're already migrating here in droves. What you wanna let them know that for? Might as well have told them we have no state income tax either... :oops:

:lol:

:doh:

Goofy
03-20-2013, 09:24 PM
Obviously i live in a different country from you guys so i've no idea what the laws are over there......... what age do you have to be to have a licence for a rifle? Sorry but 11 years old just seems far too young to me...... 11 year old child with a hunting licence and a rifle?? At that age i was playing football and making rope swings :lol:

redred
03-20-2013, 09:35 PM
I'm sure you can own a gun in this country at that age or not far off

Teh One Who Knocks
03-20-2013, 09:37 PM
Obviously i live in a different country from you guys so i've no idea what the laws are over there......... what age do you have to be to have a licence for a rifle? Sorry but 11 years old just seems far too young to me...... 11 year old child with a hunting licence and a rifle?? At that age i was playing football and making rope swings :lol:

I had my first rifle when I was 10 years old, it was a single shot Remington .22 and the first time I went out hunting with my uncle was when I was 14.

redred
03-20-2013, 09:41 PM
http://www.gundealer.net/rules.htm you can own a shotgun under the age of 14 if your parents say it's ok

Acid Trip
03-20-2013, 09:44 PM
Obviously i live in a different country from you guys so i've no idea what the laws are over there......... what age do you have to be to have a licence for a rifle? Sorry but 11 years old just seems far too young to me...... 11 year old child with a hunting licence and a rifle?? At that age i was playing football and making rope swings :lol:

It's not a license for the rifle (like to carry or just to own). It's a license saying you have the proper training to hunt with a rifle. If you get stopped hunting without a hunters safety license you get in trouble.

If you are shooting the gun at aluminum cans you don't need any kind of permit or license.

Pony
03-20-2013, 10:36 PM
Obviously i live in a different country from you guys so i've no idea what the laws are over there......... what age do you have to be to have a licence for a rifle? Sorry but 11 years old just seems far too young to me...... 11 year old child with a hunting licence and a rifle?? At that age i was playing football and making rope swings :lol:

Out in the rural areas (boonies) many kids are raised with guns. They are taught to respect them and be responsible with them. As a result there are very few gunshot victims in those areas.