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Teh One Who Knocks
04-24-2011, 12:20 AM
By Matt Egan - FOXBusiness


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Running for president may cost nearly $1 billion, but merely mulling a White House run can be awfully profitable.

As the political and business worlds collectively weigh the seriousness of what many see as a publicity stunt, Donald Trump’s larger-than-life brand is only growing larger.

If he opts to drop out of the running to be the GOP standardbearer, Trump will have pulled off a brilliant use of free advertising.

Trump, 64, who Forbes estimates is worth $2.7 billion, is everywhere these days. He’s dropping by for chats with Bill O’Reilly, visiting the ladies of " The View" and even appearing on the "Today Show." Each outspoken appearance creates headlines, fuels more buzz about his potential candidacy and reinforces his image.

To be sure, only Trump knows what his true intentions are. He may yet announce he is in fact making a run in the wide-open GOP race to unseat President Obama in 2012. But the smart money says that's not happening.

“I don’t think there’s any question it’s a publicity stunt,” said Dick Martin, a former AT&T (T) exec and an expert on public relations and brand management. “Part of his brand is being larger than life and being outrageous. This is perfectly in keeping with that. If anything, it’s going to make his brand stronger.”

Running or not, a glance at cable TV and the Internet these days shows Trump has captured the attention of the media world. He’s made at least 24 appearances on national and cable TV networks since February, according to Politico.

It appears to be paying off, as U.S. Internet searches for “Donald Trump” have surged 332% in the past five weeks and “Donald Trump for president” was the fourth most popular search with his name in it, according to Experian Hitwise. Google (GOOG) Trends shows Trump is garnering far more search volume than legitimate GOP candidates like Tim Pawlenty.

“Donald Trump is a master at publicity,” said Tim Calkins, a marketing professor at Northwestern University. “He has an incredible ability to generate attention and do things that enhance his brand.”

Publicity Could Boost Trump’s Bottom Line

Trump can parlay an enhanced image into more profits at his sprawling business empire, which spans everything from real estate in New York and golf courses in Scotland to Trump-branded natural spring water and chocolate.

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Trump also owns a real-estate brokerage, a model management service, a business that manages two Central Park ice skating rinks, restaurants in New York and Chicago and the rights to a slew of books (all of which have been bestsellers, his site is sure to tell you). Plus, he has plans to build gleaming new hotels in Dubai and New Orleans.

Some believe Trump is merely trying to gin up ratings for “Celebrity Apprentice,” his hit TV show that runs on Comcast’s (CMCSA) NBC and pays him a reported $3 million a show.

“Our inclination is that he's not serious about running for president. We think it's a stunt,” an NBC exec told Entertainment Weekly this week.

That would make sense as Trump is in the midst of negotiating a new contract for the show, which perhaps thanks to Trump’s media blitz has seen its ratings jump as much as 20%. In fact, Trump is expected to announce during the show’s season finale a date he will declare whether or not he’s truly running for office.

Trump's Already Winning

Few see much risk to the Trump brand from his foray into the political spotlight.

“I don’t think it’s going to hurt him in any significant way. He’s kind of like the P.T. Barnum of our age,” said Martin, alluding to the showman who grew famous for his hoaxes and creation of the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

Of course, flirting with a run for office is nothing new for Trump.

Perhaps in an effort to help his book reach the top of the best-seller lists, Trump reportedly hired a political operative in 1987 to float his name as a possible candidate presidential candidate. He also claimed he was considering a run for the White House in 2000.

Trump isn’t alone, however, as Howard Stern and Stephen Colbert pretended to be running for office, albeit in a more openly-joking fashion. Comedian and satirist Pat Paulsen was famous for his phony runs for president.

Other celebrities pulled off the transition to the political sphere, including Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jesse Ventura and Al Franken.

However, eventually Trump will likely realize the downsides to running for office for real: probing financial disclosures, intense media scrutiny and quitting his TV gig. But that doesn’t mean he will have failed.

“I think it will go away and it will accomplish what he wanted to: put himself at the front of the media,” said David Schwab, managing director at celebrity consulting firm Octagon First Call.

Godfather
04-24-2011, 01:23 AM
#Winning

Deepsepia
04-24-2011, 01:35 AM
I wouldn't bank on it.

My guess about Trump is that his financial situation is less good than he claims, and that he's trying to drum up publicity.

The "birther" stuff isn't anything he believes, he just thinks it'll attract attention.

My bet would be that he'll also attract attention to his finances, and they'll turn out to be weak.

FBD
04-24-2011, 08:27 PM
I seriously hope Trump sits down and shuts the fuck up. We already had Ross Perot happen, if it happens again its going to be five thousand times the catastrophe.

(and if you havent read and understood the myth of the clinton surplus, I'm not explaining "catastrophe" :P )

Godfather
04-24-2011, 09:41 PM
I seriously hope Trump sits down and shuts the fuck up. We already had Ross Perot happen, if it happens again its going to be five thousand times the catastrophe.

(and if you havent read and understood the myth of the clinton surplus, I'm not explaining "catastrophe" :P )

Really eh.. if the guy actually cared about the country he would do just that. Ironically, Trump should know that the political situation is already enough of a circus without his song and dance

Griffin
04-25-2011, 02:22 AM
apparently he was in a bad mood when he chose his wig.

Teh One Who Knocks
04-25-2011, 10:36 AM
I seriously hope Trump sits down and shuts the fuck up. We already had Ross Perot happen, if it happens again its going to be five thousand times the catastrophe.

(and if you havent read and understood the myth of the clinton surplus, I'm not explaining "catastrophe" :P )

Not entirely sure where you are getting that from :-k

At this point (and we are nowhere near the election yet) Trump has as much support behind him as Perot ever did, possibly more. And I have yet to hear Trump discuss how aliens have tried to interrupt his daughter's wedding :-k

Godfather
04-25-2011, 05:50 PM
:rofl: Aliens what!?!?

Teh One Who Knocks
04-25-2011, 05:51 PM
:rofl: Aliens what!?!?

Yeah, that may have been a little before your time ;)

Deepsepia
04-25-2011, 06:00 PM
And I have yet to hear Trump discuss how aliens have tried to interrupt his daughter's wedding :-k

Wait.

Trump is much worse than Perot. Perot's economic ideas were sound-- he was arguing for a significant gasoline tax if memory serves . . . was a good idea then, is still a good idea.

Trump is channeling Glen Beck, rodeo clown style, while Perot had serious ideas -- and as a businessman, had real accomplishments where "The Donald" seems to have more hat than cattle.

Hal-9000
04-25-2011, 06:04 PM
Think Trump looks at running the country as a business venture? The last frontier of finance sort of thing?

Let's face it....considering who he'd be following, it would be an easy act to follow

Deepsepia
04-25-2011, 06:08 PM
Think Trump looks at running the country as a business venture? The last frontier of finance sort of thing?

He's not even running, he's just a publicity whore, and this is a lot of free publicity.

My guess is that his finances are very shaky, that he makes more money off his entertainment properties and licensing his name than he does off of actually operating real estate. So having his name in the papers every day serves his financial interests.

What wouldn't serve his interests is to have to actually file a financial disclosure form -- he'll never do it, IMO.

So he's not really running anything other than his mouth.

Muddy
04-25-2011, 06:10 PM
Deep, I am sensing some disdain here..

Deepsepia
04-25-2011, 06:14 PM
Deep, I am sensing some disdain here..

Your powers of observation are profound.

I think Trump is just a pile of BS. He bankrupts his companies, leaves his investors with nada, shits all over analysts who dare to take a look at his companies finances and point out the obvious (always too much debt) . . . and he's got the balls to talk about "the art of the deal"? He's Glenn Beck with junk bonds . .

You want a serious Republican businessman for President, look at Mitt Romney or Jon Huntsman.

Muddy
04-25-2011, 06:15 PM
But can those two beat Obama?

Hal-9000
04-25-2011, 06:16 PM
he's Glenn Beck with junk bonds :thumbsup: :lol:

I thought the same thing when it came to his real estate 'deals'...wasn't he close to claiming bankruptcy about 10 years ago with one of his Trump Plaza deals going tits up?

Deepsepia
04-25-2011, 06:21 PM
But can those two beat Obama?

yes, absolutely.

The people who hate Obama, like the Birthers, are already voting against him.

To win an election, you have to draw moderate voters -- like me.

I'll vote for Romney, Huntsman, Mitch Daniels. I won't vote for a Palin or a Trump or a Huckabee . . . the 2012 election is an easy one for the R's to win, they just have to nominate someone who's got some track record of competence and doesn't say crazy shit.

Its a bit of a moot point with regard to Trump-- I don't think there's one chance in one hundred that he'd make the necessary financial disclosures to run. He's just here for the publicity.

Teh One Who Knocks
04-25-2011, 06:24 PM
Wait.

Trump is much worse than Perot. Perot's economic ideas were sound-- he was arguing for a significant gasoline tax if memory serves . . . was a good idea then, is still a good idea.

Trump is channeling Glen Beck, rodeo clown style, while Perot had serious ideas -- and as a businessman, had real accomplishments where "The Donald" seems to have more hat than cattle.

When Trump starts ranting about aliens and the secret government controlling things and trying to ruin him, then get back to me.

Deepsepia
04-25-2011, 06:49 PM
When Trump starts ranting about aliens and the secret government controlling things and trying to ruin him, then get back to me.

Perot was kookier . . . but Trump is worse.

Remember too, Perot got things done . . . he was genuinely worth billions of dollars-- not just in his imagination, like Trump. And he had the balls to do some amazing stuff -- like organizing the rescue of EDS employees being held in prison in Iran after their Revolution.

yeah, he was nutty, and not Presidential material, but he had genuine achievements beyond self promotion.

PorkChopSandwiches
04-25-2011, 07:16 PM
Perot was kookier . . . but Trump is worse.

Remember too, Perot got things done . . . he was genuinely worth billions of dollars-- not just in his imagination, like Trump. And he had the balls to do some amazing stuff -- like organizing the rescue of EDS employees being held in prison in Iran after their Revolution.

yeah, he was nutty, and not Presidential material, but he had genuine achievements beyond self promotion.

He most likely would have won, he bowed out and then tried to get back in the race, that was his demise.

FBD
04-26-2011, 02:55 AM
:lol: yeah, america was about, almost ready then...but seriously ready now.

:lol: I think its funny that some of you would vote obama II over Palin, even :lol: as wacky as yall think Palin is, you know she isnt going to further a bankrupting of the country. (as opposed to stepping on the gas pedal, like Obama's done... :roll: )

deep, agreed on trump. buncha hot air.

Deepsepia
04-26-2011, 12:36 PM
Guy just won't quit. Its unbelievable. Its so petty and crazy, that I'm not sure what's going on. Its going to backfire on Trump

NEW YORK – Real estate mogul Donald Trump suggested in an interview Monday that President Barack Obama had been a poor student who did not deserve to be admitted to the Ivy League universities he attended. Trump, who is mulling a bid for the Republican presidential nomination, offered no proof for his claim but said he would continue to press the matter as he has the legitimacy of the president's birth certificate.

"I heard he was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records."

"I have friends who have smart sons with great marks, great boards, great everything and they can't get into Harvard," Trump said. "We don't know a thing about this guy. There are a lot of questions that are unanswered about our president.

• Declined to disclose his net worth, saying he'll do so if he decides to run. "You'll see what it is, possibly, very likely, in the next 4 weeks. I don't want to say because I don't want to ruin the press conference," he said."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/trump_interview

Muddy
04-26-2011, 12:54 PM
We love us some snake oil here in the US... But really..

These two statements hit home for a lot of us middle class white guys in America..


"I heard he was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records."

"I have friends who have smart sons with great marks, great boards, great everything and they can't get into Harvard," Trump said. "We don't know a thing about this guy. There are a lot of questions that are unanswered about our president.

FBD
04-26-2011, 12:58 PM
perhaps trump is just doing Ron a favor...so that there's somebody far crazier than he out there :lol:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/ron-paul-launches-presidential-campaign-20110425

Deepsepia
04-26-2011, 01:05 PM
he's Glenn Beck with junk bonds :thumbsup: :lol:

I thought the same thing when it came to his real estate 'deals'...wasn't he close to claiming bankruptcy about 10 years ago with one of his Trump Plaza deals going tits up?

Oh yeah . . . he'd given personal guarantees, I think as part of buying the Plaza Hotel, if memory serves. He talked his way out of it, but the bankers basically put him on an "allowance". He had something like $900 million in personal debt where he was in technical default. He turned over some assets, put the casinos into bankruptcy and struck a deal to avoid personal bankruptcy.



perhaps trump is just doing Ron a favor...so that there's somebody far crazier than he out there :lol:

I dunno.

I think he's jamming his finger on anything that remotely seems like a "hot button issue"

As to Ron Paul, while I don't agree with him on everything, he's a principled spokesmen with consistent ideas, he's generally not partisan-- he's a voice that really adds something.

I don't think Trump would recognize a "principle" if he tripped over it.

lost in melb.
04-26-2011, 01:17 PM
So Obama didn't fix up the US :-k

Muddy
04-26-2011, 01:26 PM
So Obama didn't fix up the US :-k


You're responsible... You pushed and pushed and pushed for us to vote for him...

Deepsepia
04-26-2011, 01:27 PM
So Obama didn't fix up the US :-k

No, the US isn't fixed. Part of the problem is that we've barely started talking about what's broken.

Amazing that only one politician routinely calls for an end to foreign wars -- we're spending $170 billion this year in Iraq & Afghanistan-- you'd think that would attract some attention for the budget cutters, but not a peep from the Administration or the Republicans.

Teh One Who Knocks
04-26-2011, 01:54 PM
As to Ron Paul, while I don't agree with him on everything, he's a principled spokesmen with consistent ideas, he's generally not partisan-- he's a voice that really adds something.

Another one who believe we've been visited by aliens ;)

Teh One Who Knocks
04-26-2011, 01:56 PM
No, the US isn't fixed. Part of the problem is that we've barely started talking about what's broken.

Amazing that only one politician routinely calls for an end to foreign wars -- we're spending $170 billion this year in Iraq & Afghanistan-- you'd think that would attract some attention for the budget cutters, but not a peep from the Administration or the Republicans.

There are some good republicans, namely Paul Ryan, that are trying to discuss fixing what's broken, but instead of joining in on the talk, the democrats have decided to demagogue the issue and use scare tactics instead.

That's much more productive since the staus quo is working so well.

Teh One Who Knocks
04-26-2011, 01:57 PM
So Obama didn't fix up the US :-k

I hope you were joking with that question.

FBD
04-26-2011, 02:19 PM
:lol: no shit, anyone that believes Obummer fixed a damned thing is smoking some switchgrass

Muddy
04-27-2011, 01:00 PM
Breaking News: (cnn) President Obama's long-form birth certificate is being released, the White House announced today.

FBD
04-27-2011, 02:18 PM
It looks like an older copy of the short form :lol:

lost in melb.
04-27-2011, 03:07 PM
I hope you were joking with that question.


:nana:

Deepsepia
04-28-2011, 11:02 AM
Trump is Sheenius.

I have a birth certificate. People have birth certificates. He doesn't have a birth certificate. He may have one but there is something on that birth certificate — maybe religion, maybe it says he's a Muslim, I don't know. Maybe he doesn't want that. Or, he may not have one."

— Donald Trump, March 30, 2011



"I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding. He spent $2 million in legal fees trying on to get away from this issue, and if it weren't an issue, why wouldn't he just solve it? I wish he would because if he doesn't, it's one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts."

— Trump, April 7, 2011



“Maybe I’m going to do the tax returns when Obama does his birth certificate. I may tie my tax returns. I’d love to give my tax returns. I may tie my tax returns into Obama’s birth certificate.”

— Trump, April 19, 2011



“I've been told very recently, Anderson, that the birth certificate is missing. I've been told that it's not there or it doesn't exist. And if that's the case, it's a big problem."

— Trump, April 25, 2011