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Teh One Who Knocks
04-02-2013, 10:54 AM
By Michael Booth - The Denver Post


http://i.imgur.com/JK7qB0v.jpg

From early 2005 to late 2009, Children's Hospital Colorado had exactly zero emergency-room visits by kids who had ingested marijuana. In the following two years, when medical marijuana became legal in Colorado and federal officials backed off prosecution, it had 14.

Pioneering studies of ER charts by Colorado doctors show looser pot laws leading to childhood poisonings, often from mistakenly eating tantalizing "edibles" like gummy worms or brownies.

Those doctors are now helping lead the charge for mandatory safety packaging as Colorado gears up for even broader legal sales of pot with recreational-marijuana stores.

"We've seen a dramatic increase in pediatric exposure," said Dr. George Wang, a Children's ER doctor who also works with Denver Health's Rocky Mountain Poison and Drug Center.

Calls about potential marijuana exposure at all ages have doubled since 2009 at the poison center.

Safety packaging, as in other medicines, "is a supplement to careful parenting that has been shown to work," said Wang's colleague, Dr. Michael Kosnett. "There are solutions available right now."

And the marijuana industry agrees, up to a point.

Many industry members favor sending goods out the store door under tamper-proof seal. But they would rather not break each individual joint or candy into a high-tech, lockable bag whose cost — up to $7, even in bulk — might approach the price of the brownie inside.

"They'll have to buy so much tamper-proof packaging that people will just make it themselves at home," said Robin Hackett, co-owner of Botana Care, a medical-marijuana store in Northglenn. "The challenge is with a pound of butter and some cannabis, anybody can make edibles."

Hackett and other members of the Medical Marijuana Industry Group say lockboxes and larger locking bags that buyers can use to transport larger purchases home should solve most of the safety problems.

Breaking everything down into smaller tamper-proof bags is a landfill problem and unnecessary expense, Hackett said. Botana Care counsels patients with children about safety, and keeps track of who has kids as a reminder.

"Unfortunately, we can't write laws around 'dumb,' " she said.

None of the accidentally poisoned children has died, Wang and Kosnett said.

There are serious medical consequences for small children, though, even while marijuana advocates say an adult "overdose" of pot is nearly impossible.

Prescribed dosages of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana products used to control nausea from chemotherapy, is between 4 and 12 milligrams for children ages 2 to 4, based on body surface area. Some "edibles" have 300 milligrams of THC, Kosnett said.

The researchers say individual safety packs would be best, but the current recommendation of all items leaving the store in one secure package is "better than nothing."

Because there is no clear reporting category for marijuana poisonings, doctors have to cull through files to count cases. Presbyterian/St. Luke's, which operates Rocky Mountain Hospital for Children, said it does not track similar cases.

The cases studied at Children's included decreased levels of consciousness and breathing trouble. Children can also vomit from ingesting too much of a strong substance and aspirate the vomit.

The median age in the 14 patients was 3 years, and the range was 8 months to 12 years, according to an abstract of the research published in the journal Clinical Toxicology.

Child-ingested pot is also dangerous because ER doctors aren't looking for it as a cause of any symptoms they see, Wang said. That can lead to invasive and expensive diagnostic efforts, such as a spinal tap or CT scan, if parents are embarrassed or scared to mention the true cause.

"When children get admitted to the ICU, that's serious," Kosnett said. Symptoms may appear similar to meningitis, for example.

Safety packaging and parental prevention should be noncontroversial, said Dr. Robert Brockmann, president of the Colorado Academy of Family Physicians, especially as newly legal recreational use will greatly expand the supply.

"None of that information is being disseminated when it's dispensed," Brockmann said. "It's like liquor or prescription medications, or anything else you don't want your kids to get into."

Kosnett likens the social moment to that of the 1970 U.S. Poison Prevention Packaging Act, which launched many of the safety containers now ubiquitous in medical and chemical markets. One standard for packages, Kosnett said, is that no more than 20 percent of 5-year-olds be able to open a container within 10 minutes.

Such measures have cut pediatric poisonings in various categories by 40 to 90 percent over the decades, he said.

Pony
04-02-2013, 11:41 AM
"Unfortunately we can't write laws around dumb"

:shock:

FBD
04-02-2013, 12:10 PM
pot poisoning....what a blatantly fictional term. seriously, aspiration of vomit from puking up a pot brownie is....haha...really fkn creative, I'll give the writer that. :roll:

Muddy
04-02-2013, 01:00 PM
That shit needs to be handled out in child proof packaging like any other regulated drug.

Acid Trip
04-02-2013, 01:52 PM
That shit needs to be handled out in child proof packaging like any other regulated drug.

I wasn't aware that alcohol, cigarettes, and chewing tobacco came in child proof packaging... :-k

Pony
04-02-2013, 02:02 PM
I'm sure the parents bear no resposibility for letting their children have access to something that could be dangerous.

Muddy
04-02-2013, 02:29 PM
I wasn't aware that alcohol, cigarettes, and chewing tobacco came in child proof packaging... :-k

They also dont come in Gummy bear or cookie form...

Acid Trip
04-02-2013, 03:00 PM
They also dont come in Gummy bear or cookie form...

You're right, the lack of child proof packaging is totally to blame. I mean, clearly the parents had no opportunity to be responsible adults and store the product away from their children.

If only someone would make a device that could safely store items away from children!

Muddy
04-02-2013, 03:05 PM
You're right, the lack of child proof packaging is totally to blame. I mean, clearly the parents had no opportunity to be responsible adults and store the product away from their children.

If only someone would make a device that could safely store items away from children!

Sure the adults are to blame. But better packaging labeling could have helped prevent the situation(s). Or maybe they should just not sell drugs in child friendly delivery systems.

FBD
04-04-2013, 12:40 PM
:lol: yeah, I'm sure if only it were packaged better, then the parents would slap themselves on the forehead and go "jesus, maybe I should keep this away from my kids!"


:facepalm:

Muddy
04-04-2013, 12:41 PM
Birds of a feather flock together.

FBD
04-04-2013, 01:06 PM
its just like the gun issue muddy - you can do a certain amount of common sense rules, but much beyond that, you will never ever make up enough rules to cover for the stupidity of the general population. such a paradigm is a never-ending set of arbitrary new rules designed to help protect you from yourself.

Muddy
04-04-2013, 03:51 PM
its just like the gun issue muddy - you can do a certain amount of common sense rules, but much beyond that, you will never ever make up enough rules to cover for the stupidity of the general population. such a paradigm is a never-ending set of arbitrary new rules designed to help protect you from yourself.

So where have the common sense rules been put into place in this instance? It's a drug made into the form of a kids candy.. :lol:

DemonGeminiX
04-04-2013, 04:03 PM
So where have the common sense rules been put into place in this instance? It's a drug made into the form of a kids candy.. :lol:


They should make it into the form of a penis.

PorkChopSandwiches
04-04-2013, 04:07 PM
So where have the common sense rules been put into place in this instance? It's a drug made into the form of a kids candy.. :lol:

Like a jello shot, or a spiked watermelon:roll:

Teh One Who Knocks
04-04-2013, 04:10 PM
Like a jello shot, or a spiked watermelon:roll:

Do you keep jell-o shots lying around your house? :-s

Muddy
04-04-2013, 04:10 PM
Like a jello shot, or a spiked watermelon:roll:

http://i.imgur.com/b4pwPbI.jpg

DemonGeminiX
04-04-2013, 04:14 PM
http://i.imgur.com/b4pwPbI.jpg

You've gotten a lot better with MS Paint.

:tup:

PorkChopSandwiches
04-04-2013, 04:18 PM
Do you keep jell-o shots lying around your house? :-s


http://i.imgur.com/b4pwPbI.jpg

The POINT. Is people need to take some responsibility. Of course you wouldn't leave jello shots out for a kid. Because its something they may pick up and eat. I'm not leaving edibles out for a kid to get at either.

DemonGeminiX
04-04-2013, 04:21 PM
I still say his Paint skills have improved.

[-(

Muddy
04-04-2013, 04:29 PM
The POINT. Is people need to take some responsibility. Of course you wouldn't leave jello shots out for a kid. Because its something they may pick up and eat. I'm not leaving edibles out for a kid to get at either.

So do you tell your kids never to eat gummy bears and jello again? Because it may be drugged? How can you tell the difference? Ohhhh I knowwww.. You can taste the alcohol in jello shots and jello usually isnt dolled out in 1 ounce increments.. :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
04-04-2013, 04:52 PM
No. You just don't keep them in the drawer with the rest of the snacks.

FBD
04-04-2013, 05:34 PM
you dont keep your oxycontin next to your salt & pepper shakers either, I mean cmon. none of us are saying dont charge morons that leave shit out for their kids to get at, we're saying yet again, is there a good reason to increase a product 20, 30, 50% in price just to satisfy some packaging requirement that MIGHT POSSIBLY prevent a kid or two from accidentally ingesting *gasp* weed of all things....the shit aint rat poison ffs - and ya know what? those kids that know where mom & dad's stash is are going to get at it one way or another anyway unless they keep it under lock and key, the nightstand drawer isnt good enough :lol:

DemonGeminiX
04-04-2013, 06:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo

DemonGeminiX
04-04-2013, 06:58 PM
:dance:

deebakes
04-04-2013, 07:05 PM
I still say his Paint skills have improved.

[-(

prolly not his :lol:

Muddy
04-04-2013, 07:14 PM
prolly not his :lol:

:slap:

PorkChopSandwiches
04-04-2013, 07:41 PM
:lol:

deebakes
04-04-2013, 07:50 PM
:slap:

it's clearly not :lol:

FBD
04-04-2013, 07:50 PM
:lol:

(and that's knowing nothing about muddy's actual paint or photoshop skills...that was just a good one :lol: )

Pony
04-04-2013, 09:33 PM
They did say the average age was 3. If you're not keeping your rat poison, cleaning supplies, jello shots, pot brownies out of their reach accidents are going to happen. If your kid touches a hot stove you don't go after the manufacturer to child proof the stove, especially if it triples the cost of the appliance.

There is a lot of items that are packaged such that it would be attractive to a 3 year old. It's the parent's responsibility to do the best they can at child proofing their homes and educating their children that touching the stove is bad.

PorkChopSandwiches
04-04-2013, 09:37 PM
:hand: a parent is not to be held accountable of their children or pets. We should just ban children so they aren't killed by pitbulls

Teh One Who Knocks
04-04-2013, 09:38 PM
:roll:

PorkChopSandwiches
04-04-2013, 09:40 PM
I'm sure this is an apple and oranges issue for you. But for me all these things are about responsibility

deebakes
04-04-2013, 09:41 PM
when did this become about macintosh and windows? :-k

PorkChopSandwiches
04-04-2013, 09:42 PM
Its about corn and b-holes

deebakes
04-04-2013, 09:46 PM
:corn:

PorkChopSandwiches
04-04-2013, 09:56 PM
:dance:

Pony
04-04-2013, 10:02 PM
We don't have a b-holes smiley....

PorkChopSandwiches
04-04-2013, 10:06 PM
We have :corn: if you want to eat one :lol:

Hal-9000
04-04-2013, 10:26 PM
some good points both ways in this thread lads :thumbsup:


perhaps a compromise...put some sort of minor label on the package saying WEEEEEED and also have the parents exercise some goddamn common sense


*footnote - FBD's comment about the actual medical stress of eating pot warrants one comment - one bottle of booze will do more harm to a child than a pan of pot brownies (if the kid could actually eat a whole pan of them)

Pony
04-04-2013, 10:33 PM
I think it's a good idea for them to come up with a tougher to open package at minimal cost.

The catch is to make something child proof, resealable for cheap. Even if they made a washable, locking bin, sold separately in dispensaries for $10-$15 bucks and recommended it for parents with children. Put it by the register. That way every sale does not need the packaging. and those that don't buy it are at least aware they should be keeping it secured. Plus it keeps your friends from raiding your brownie stash.

Anyone wanna invent such a device with me?

Hal-9000
04-04-2013, 10:37 PM
I think it's a good idea for them to come up with a tougher to open package at minimal cost.

The catch is to make something child proof, resealable for cheap. Even if they made a washable, locking bin, sold separately in dispensaries for $10-$15 bucks and recommended it for parents with children. Put it by the register. That way every sale does not need the packaging. and those that don't buy it are at least aware they should be keeping it secured. Plus it keeps your friends from raiding your brownie stash.

Anyone wanna invent such a device with me?

yes and I've even thought of the new K-Tel name for the product...

tupper-ware


:dance: got a nice ring to it don't ya think?

Hal-9000
04-04-2013, 10:38 PM
I haven't got high for two days because of this cold :x



lock up yer daughters tonight Pedro, that's about to change

Teh One Who Knocks
04-04-2013, 10:39 PM
Anyone wanna invent such a device with me?

:-s




http://i.imgur.com/Nspu7Gol.jpg

:facepalm:

Pony
04-04-2013, 10:47 PM
yes and I've even thought of the new K-Tel name for the product...

tupper-ware


:dance: got a nice ring to it don't ya think?

No one would ever buy something with a name like that. It doesn't have an "X" or an intentional misspelling to seem more cool.


:-s




http://i.imgur.com/Nspu7Gol.jpg

:facepalm:

-Not dishwasher safe
-Not airtight
-Not sterile and "food" safe

Hal-9000
04-04-2013, 10:51 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/35nahpu.jpg