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Teh One Who Knocks
04-15-2013, 04:35 PM
Adam Shell and Kim Hjelmgaard, USA TODAY


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On Monday, a slowdown in Chinese economic growth added to doubts about the strength of the world economy and raised the specter of a deflationary environment taking hold. It also raised fears that Chinese consumers, who are big buyers of gold jewelry, would buy less.

Investors' trashing of gold Monday follows a 5% plunge Friday. The two-day selloff is the worst since 1980.

Rich Suttmeier, chief market strategist at ValueEngine.com, suspects the selling is also being fueled by selling by big investors, such as hedge funds and pension funds, that are looking to stem their losses as well as reduce exposure to a hard asset. Hedge funds typically use leverage, or borrowed money, to boost their profit potential. But it also forces selling when prices drop sharply and they are asked by lenders to put up more collateral.

In recent years, an increasing number of investors, big and small, have started to treat gold as a key "asset class" in their asset allocation, and have upped their stakes in gold as a result.

Suttmeier says the heavy selling has the feel of a bubble bursting, adding that rumored selling by the nation of Cyprus to meet obligations to European financiers is intensifying the downdraft.

Even retail investors are getting caught in the downdraft. The SPDR Gold Shares exchange traded fund, the most popular ETF, has also suffered a drop of almost 8% today.

The bigger-than-expected first-quarter slowdown in China has investors worried more about deflation than inflation at the moment. And given that gold is viewed as an inflation hedge, investors are selling gold more aggressively, says Chris Blasi of Neptune Global Holdings, a precious metals trading and research firm.

"Where is the bottom? I don't know. The selloff could go on another day or two," says Blasi.

Another big factor driving the selling is the fact that traders were watching the key $1,520 level on Friday, and when gold sank below that line in the sand, many investors decided it was time to get out, says Gary Kaltbaum, president of Kaltbaum Capital Management.

"Gold was a very over-owned and a very big bull market and when it broke support, the masses got out," says Katlbaum. "When the big money guys own a boatload of stuff, and are all watching the same number, when support breaks, I call it the 'give up, we are done' response."

Analysts attributed last week's plunge to investors who fear gold won't be the safe haven it has been when inflation spikes, the economy deteriorates or the sale of gold to raise cash skyrockets.

As recently as mid-September, gold prices were flying above $1,800 an ounce.

The yellow metal has now hit a two-year low amid concerns that a 12-year bull run for the commodity has come to an end.

Oil prices were also seeing steep declines on Monday. Crude prices were down nearly $3 a barrel to $88.21 per barrel.

DemonGeminiX
04-15-2013, 04:41 PM
:-k

So wait to buy?

Acid Trip
04-15-2013, 04:43 PM
:-k

So wait to buy?

The price has dipped so this is a buying opportunity.

Hal-9000
04-15-2013, 05:00 PM
is it the North Korea threat that's causing this mini-freak out?

Hal-9000
04-15-2013, 05:01 PM
I remember just around high school when gold was 340 dollars/oz...back then that seemed like a lot of dough

DemonGeminiX
04-15-2013, 05:13 PM
The price has dipped so this is a buying opportunity.

Yeah, but if it's still falling... wait a little bit longer? See where it bottoms out at?

Acid Trip
04-15-2013, 05:51 PM
Yeah, but if it's still falling... wait a little bit longer? See where it bottoms out at?

If you wait for the bottom then 99.9% of the time you will miss it. I'm buying as long as it stays below $1400.

Acid Trip
04-15-2013, 06:05 PM
If you wait for the bottom then 99.9% of the time you will miss it. I'm buying as long as it stays below $1400.

I should note that I'm super long on Gold. Even if the price craters to $500 an ounce it won't bother me since I don't plan on selling for the next 30 years.

Hal-9000
04-15-2013, 06:48 PM
*checks Google street maps for AT's house*

Acid Trip
04-15-2013, 07:28 PM
*checks Google street maps for AT's house*

Good luck getting in my safe or stealing it.

It's in the basement and too heavy to move without machinery. :d

Hal-9000
04-15-2013, 07:35 PM
I have a large magnet and a flatbed trailer [-(

FBD
04-16-2013, 08:21 PM
wow, someone flipped the gold suppression algo into overdrive

Acid Trip
04-16-2013, 08:23 PM
wow, someone flipped the gold suppression algo into overdrive

If you haven't already you should check out ZeroHedge today. Something definitely went funky with the HFTs a night or two ago.

FBD
04-16-2013, 08:33 PM
heh, I knew that without even reading it...will go have a look...I love their graphics after the fact, you see activity activity activity, then fuggin flatline..........................bzzzzzzzzzz..... .........them BOOM! trades shoot up through the roof when they turn the algo back on. its fucking disgusting, especially in a...


*guffaw*


"free market"

PorkChopSandwiches
04-16-2013, 08:44 PM
My investment in ABX is down 46% :(

FBD
04-16-2013, 09:06 PM
then now's the time to buy, not sell ;)

unfortunately all we have to work with are highly manipulated markets where all the major players get the playbook (fed meeting minutes etc) a day in advance and plebes you go fuck off and give us more of what little money you have left.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-16/guest-post-gold-slam-massive-wealth-transfer-our-pockets-banks

Acid Trip
04-16-2013, 09:19 PM
Physical Gold > Gold Certificates > Gold Stocks

This is true 24/7/365

FBD
04-16-2013, 10:09 PM
yup, note the paper price affects physical price, hence slamdown selloff paper, buy bullion. win/win for all those fuckers that lined up their short positions by january per their inside note providers

Acid Trip
04-17-2013, 07:26 PM
Damn, gold first and now oil. I get real nervous anytime those two go down together. The only way they should both go down is if the dollar is getting stronger.

Since the Fed is on a printing spree (and the dollar remains weak) I have a bad feeling about the next 6 months. I really hope I'm wrong.

Hal-9000
04-17-2013, 07:33 PM
enlighten me, please...

at one time Fort Knox was supposed to hold the equivalent of paper currency in physical gold, should something horrible happen to the economy...it was a measure of solvency I believe

let's pretend that's true and a huge EMP hits the Earth rendering every bank machine, every till at the stores, every method of electronic commerce we have...unusable.

what good would having all of that physical gold really do? Would we take out ingots and bars to the gas station and trade for fuel? Would we take our gold to Costco in exchange for 3 gallons jars of mayonnaise?


I've been called Chicken Little before but if something does happen to our electronic world, I firmly believe the current population won't be able to handle even an hour of it :lol:

Acid Trip
04-17-2013, 07:46 PM
enlighten me, please...

at one time Fort Knox was supposed to hold the equivalent of paper currency in physical gold, should something horrible happen to the economy...it was a measure of solvency I believe

let's pretend that's true and a huge EMP hits the Earth rendering every bank machine, every till at the stores, every method of electronic commerce we have...unusable.

what good would having all of that physical gold really do? Would we take out ingots and bars to the gas station and trade for fuel? Would we take our gold to Costco in exchange for 3 gallons jars of mayonnaise?


I've been called Chicken Little before but if something does happen to our electronic world, I firmly believe the current population won't be able to handle even an hour of it :lol:

1) This is no longer the case. Besides, Fort Knox hasn't been audited in like 30 years so nobody even knows for sure if it's still in there.
2) Theoretically you could use the gold to create coins. The coins would replace paper/digital currency until a new system is created.

If there were a huge EMP none of this would matter. No cars, no phones, no power, no water, just a whole lot of nothing. Once household stores of food ran out (typically 3-5 days) it would be absolute chaos.

Hal-9000
04-17-2013, 08:01 PM
that's what I'm talking about bro....when the EMP does hit, everything literally stops and then it's Lord of the Flies time baby :lol:


so people who have heavy stores of gold at home, what's the benefit.. (in that situation)

Hal-9000
04-17-2013, 08:02 PM
oops....should have said IF not WHEN in the above post

:doh: Freudian slip...

Acid Trip
04-17-2013, 08:16 PM
that's what I'm talking about bro....when the EMP does hit, everything literally stops and then it's Lord of the Flies time baby :lol:


so people who have heavy stores of gold at home, what's the benefit.. (in that situation)

Nothing in the case of an EMP. It would be less valuable than bullets/guns/food but a few people may still trade you for it.

The main reason people own gold is as a bet against inflation. Doomsday people (who prep for things like a massive EMP) don't store gold. They know that water, medicine, bullets/guns, and food are the only things worth storing.

Hal-9000
04-17-2013, 08:30 PM
Nothing in the case of an EMP. It would be less valuable than bullets/guns/food but a few people may still trade you for it.

The main reason people own gold is as a bet against inflation. Doomsday people (who prep for things like a massive EMP) don't store gold. They know that water, medicine, bullets/guns, and food are the only things worth storing.

and midget porn :tup:

Acid Trip
04-17-2013, 08:32 PM
and midget porn :tup:

Well duh, that's a given!

Pony
04-17-2013, 08:58 PM
and midget porn :tup:

Naa, you just invite female midgets to live in your bunker. They take up less space, consume less...