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Richard Cranium
05-06-2013, 10:54 PM
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Canada's plans to counter arctic incursions by ambitious neighbors in the north are being held back by further snags in the refurbishing and upgrading of the country's submarine fleet.

OTTAWA, May 6 (UPI) -- Canada's plans to counter arctic incursions by ambitious neighbors are being held back by snags in the refurbishing and upgrading of the country's submarine fleet.

Canada's current defense focus is shifting steadily to the arctic region amid concerns that a stronger Russian and northern European presence is undermining the country's sovereignty in the area.

Canada has announced elaborate plans to assert its claim on contiguous parts of the arctic region amid scientific predictions melting ice will open the area to navigation and mineral exploration.

But the submarines meant to perform patrol duties are nowhere to be seen.

"There is more trouble for Canada's fleet of used British submarines," CBC reported after news that one of the Canadian navy submarines, HMCS Windsor, would still not perform after a $209 million refit.

"We have restricted her in range of operations and her endurance," Capt. Luc Cassivi, director of Canada's submarine force told CBC.

The vessel awaits further work on one of its 16-cylinder diesel generators used to charge the batteries on board. Deeper dives and planned exercises off the U.S. coast are off the naval agenda.

The Windsor resumed sailing in April last year after a 5-year refit. It is one of four Victoria class submarines Canada bought from Britain for $750 million, hailed as a bargain at the time.

Other submarines face more complex problems before they can be seaworthy. Further plans to refit Corner Brook, another of the four secondhand submersibles, triggered controversy after estimates the refurbishment would cost more than $200 million.

"The unexpected repairs to the Windsor and the resulting restrictions means that the navy has only one fully operational submarine in service, the west coast-based HMCS Victoria," CBC said.

That vessel too was discovered to have a large dent in its hull after Canada received it from Britain, CBC said.

The Toronto Sun likened Canada's submarine troubles to "a convoluted tale of mismatched procurement meeting ill-defined strategic needs."

"The Canadian taxpayer has been left to pick up the now estimated $3 billion (and rising) tab prompting the question: does the RCN even need to stay in the submarine business?"

With increased shipping activity in the arctic thanks to receding pack ice and more and bigger ships transiting the route for a short-cut to Europe, the paper asked if Canada needs to have a working fleet "to have eyes and ears monitoring a potentially ice free Northwest Passage."

"Well, it would help if they were ever fully operational," Steven Staples, president of the Rideau Institute defense and foreign policy think tank in Ottawa replied.

"If they could dive without hitting the ocean floor or even remember to close hatches before submerging."

Defense Industry Daily said the problems faced by the secondhand submarines are so well known that some of the vessels could never be truly operational. One of the four submarines, Corner Brook, still needs repairs from a 2011 collision with the sea bottom

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deebakes
05-07-2013, 01:39 AM
:rofl:

Griffin
05-07-2013, 02:04 AM
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Acid Trip
05-07-2013, 04:29 PM
Should have bought your submarines from :usa:

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 04:52 PM
that's a truck in the opening pic you knob


piss off :lol:

Acid Trip
05-07-2013, 05:14 PM
that's a truck in the opening pic you knob


piss off :lol:

Is it a truck or a submarine in disguise? We'll never know :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-07-2013, 05:16 PM
A new secret weapon in the Canadian military arsenal....the deadly Truckmarine :shock:

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 05:41 PM
:lol: shut up both of you



the Truckmarine has an air-horn!






:-k

Muddy
05-07-2013, 05:42 PM
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Man that looks good..

redred
05-07-2013, 06:03 PM
:facepalm:

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Muddy
05-07-2013, 06:25 PM
Does Canada really have a military?

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 06:27 PM
Yes and I'm a general if that's any indication :lol:

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 06:31 PM
actually Muddy I shouldn't joke....throughout history going back to WW1, Canadian fighters have been helping every war effort. We developed a bad ass reputation in WW2 (from the Dutch and the Germans) as fierce, heartless fighters. In WW1 we took targets that other forces couldn't and have sent guys to Korea and Vietnam as well.

We also pioneered the first Paratrooper/fighter units in WW2, that were instituted into both the Canuck and US forces when planning for D-day.

Richard Cranium
05-07-2013, 06:39 PM
have the Canadians perfected the submarine screen door or are they still in the testing phase?

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 07:17 PM
have the Canadians perfected the submarine screen door or are they still in the testing phase?


:beatdown:

Muddy
05-07-2013, 07:56 PM
actually Muddy I shouldn't joke....throughout history going back to WW1, Canadian fighters have been helping every war effort. We developed a bad ass reputation in WW2 (from the Dutch and the Germans) as fierce, heartless fighters. In WW1 we took targets that other forces couldn't and have sent guys to Korea and Vietnam as well.

We also pioneered the first Paratrooper/fighter units in WW2, that were instituted into both the Canuck and US forces when planning for D-day.

Do they teach that to you guys in elementary school? I know the Brits tell there kids that they were the ones that finally stopped Hitler.. :lol:

redred
05-07-2013, 08:04 PM
We're told he killed himself in the bunker he was hiding in

Muddy
05-07-2013, 08:15 PM
We were told he's still alive in Vegas with Elvis somewhere..

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 08:17 PM
Do they teach that to you guys in elementary school? I know the Brits tell there kids that they were the ones that finally stopped Hitler.. :lol:

I could furnish you with some links, but I know your ADD doesn't extend past one line of text


:dance:




links would be here ---->

redred
05-07-2013, 08:18 PM
He can do pictures if that helps any Hal ?

Acid Trip
05-07-2013, 08:20 PM
Do they teach that to you guys in elementary school? I know the Brits tell there kids that they were the ones that finally stopped Hitler.. :lol:

:lol:

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 08:22 PM
He can do pictures if that helps any Hal ?

not many paratroopers with nice asses in thongs :lol:

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 08:23 PM
actually they didn't teach us any war history when I went to school...more about explorers and geography

Muddy
05-07-2013, 08:24 PM
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Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 08:29 PM
[-(

Our naval fleet has canoes that contain SIX guys paddling

Noilly Pratt
05-07-2013, 08:30 PM
actually they didn't teach us any war history when I went to school...more about explorers and geography

All about Louis Riel and his frickin' rebellion.

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 08:32 PM
All about Louis Riel and his frickin' rebellion.

when they weren't shoving American history down our bloody throats

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 08:33 PM
:usa:








8-[

Muddy
05-07-2013, 08:33 PM
We have had George Washington Carver shoved up our asses for 40 years..

Noilly Pratt
05-07-2013, 08:33 PM
This is true...I remember the teacher would correct some of the 'Murican spelling of stuff because our textbooks were USA sourced.

Muddy
05-07-2013, 08:35 PM
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Muddy
05-07-2013, 08:35 PM
:lol:

http://i.imgur.com/7Dd4tuM.jpg

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 08:37 PM
This is true...I remember the teacher would correct some of the 'Murican spelling of stuff because our textbooks were USA sourced.

Being that the countries are right next to each other, they should consolidate the curriculum to a more vanilla version of both country's historys, encompassing things like world wars.

I don't really need 5 years of seeing Eskimos...pardon me, Inuit people.... eating fcking whale blubber and making seals nervous :x

redred
05-07-2013, 08:38 PM
Does Canada really have a military?

they don't need one


This is based on an actual radio conversation between a U.S. Navy
aircraft carrier (U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln) and Canadian authorities
off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. (The radio
conversation was released by the Chief of Naval Operations on
10/10/95 authorized by the Freedom of Information Act.)
Canadians: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to
avoid collision.

Americans: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the
North to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15
degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again,
divert YOUR course.

Canadians: No, I say again, you divert YOUR course.

Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND
LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE
ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS
SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES
NORTH--I SAY AGAIN, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH--OR
COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 08:38 PM
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damn that shit goes deep :lol:

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 08:39 PM
they don't need one


:rofl:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-07-2013, 09:10 PM
they don't need one

Nice try

http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthouse.asp

redred
05-07-2013, 09:25 PM
I know it's an internet joke and not true but still find it funny plus its the sort of thing that you lot could try :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
05-07-2013, 09:29 PM
I know it's an internet joke and not true but still find it funny plus its the sort of thing that you lot could try :lol:

We wouldn't demand it move, we'd blast it out of the water with a cruise missile :hand:

Hal-9000
05-07-2013, 09:29 PM
there's a good one with a British pilot flying a passenger plane over Germany and gets into a tussle with the flight tower :lol:

Muddy
05-07-2013, 11:41 PM
Nice try

http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthouse.asp

:dance:

Muddy
05-08-2013, 01:07 AM
Listen.. I love the Canadians and their contributions to the world. Also you couldn't have a better neighbor.

minz
05-08-2013, 01:09 AM
Canadians have a really dreamy accent. :wub:

deebakes
05-08-2013, 01:13 AM
take off you hoser :hand:

minz
05-08-2013, 01:14 AM
take off you hoser :hand:

Hoser?:?

Muddy
05-08-2013, 01:20 AM
take off you hoser :hand:

Thats it! There it is!!

deebakes
05-08-2013, 01:26 AM
:dance::cheerlead:

KevinD
05-08-2013, 02:01 AM
Okay, I've offered to lend Hal my hunting dog to help him out with the rabbit problem he has, guess I'll send him a real sub too...


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Hal-9000
05-08-2013, 06:52 AM
thanks Kev...don't you have a family gathering to attend?


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KevinD
05-08-2013, 12:25 PM
Pshaw, that's an average Friday evening, :lol:

Acid Trip
05-08-2013, 01:14 PM
thanks Kev...don't you have a family gathering to attend?


http://i.imgur.com/vrB5Dj6.jpg

That's in Lawrence, Kansas (home of the Jayhawk pictured on the rock) not Texas.

Hal-9000
05-08-2013, 03:58 PM
Pshaw, that's an average Friday evening, :lol:


:lol:

Muddy
05-08-2013, 04:13 PM
Listen.. I love the Canadians and their contributions to the world. Also you couldn't have a better neighbor.


Thanks buddy, that really means a lot..

It's all good, friend. I love you.

Noilly Pratt
05-08-2013, 04:20 PM
Canadians have a really dreamy accent. :wub:

Right back at you, Minz!

I remember being a 20 something and going to a nightclub in Birkenhead. My cousin (from Liverpool) goes up and gets his beer and my cider, and when he returns there are 3 women talking to me. This one particular girl - drunker than anything - says "oooh, just say anything. I love your accent!" She was leaning right in, licking her lips, the old breast thrust...every sign she could throw at me!

I should have been smooth and said something like "I love a cooked breakfast in the morning...would you like me to cook one for you?" But no -- shy me didn't go there,k but I did have a good time dancing with them!
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But back to the subject. Our gov't makes us look like a joke, military wise because of under-funding and blundering purchases like this (and don't ask about the helicopter purchase a few years ago!), but I believe we're one of the best trained forces out there.

We're like that friend who doesn't own a car. We'll be there for you in a skirmish, but um, can we ride along with you? We'll pay you gas money and everything! :)