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AntZ
04-27-2011, 10:40 PM
House votes to restrict unions
Measure would curb bargaining on health care

By Michael Levenson
Globe Staff / April 27, 2011




House lawmakers voted overwhelmingly last night to strip police officers, teachers, and other municipal employees of most of their rights to bargain over health care, saying the change would save millions of dollars for financially strapped cities and towns.

The 111-to-42 vote followed tougher measures to broadly eliminate collective bargaining rights for public employees in Ohio, Wisconsin, and other states. But unlike those efforts, the push in Massachusetts was led by Democrats who have traditionally stood with labor to oppose any reduction in workers’ rights.

Unions fought hard to stop the bill, launching a radio ad that assailed the plan and warning legislators that if they voted for the measure, they could lose their union backing in the next election. After the vote, labor leaders accused House Speaker Robert A. DeLeo and other Democrats of turning their backs on public employees.

“It’s pretty stunning,’’ said Robert J. Haynes, president of the Massachusetts AFL-CIO. “These are the same Democrats that all these labor unions elected. The same Democrats who we contributed to in their campaigns. The same Democrats who tell us over and over again that they’re with us, that they believe in collective bargaining, that they believe in unions. . . . It’s a done deal for our relationship with the people inside that chamber.’’

“We are going to fight this thing to the bitter end,’’ he added. “Massachusetts is not the place that takes collective bargaining away from public employees.’’

The battle now turns to the Senate, where President Therese Murray has indicated that she is reluctant to strip workers of their right to bargain over their health care plans.

DeLeo said the House measure would save $100 million for cities and towns in the upcoming budget year, helping them avoid layoffs and reductions in services. He called his plan one of the most significant reforms the state can adopt to help control escalating health care costs.

“By spending less on the health care costs of municipal employees, our cities and towns will be able to retain jobs and allot more funding to necessary services like education and public safety,’’ he said in a statement.

Last night, as union leaders lobbied against the plan, DeLeo offered two concessions intended to shore up support from wavering legislators.

The first concession gives public employees 30 days to discuss changes to their health plans with local officials, instead of allowing the officials to act without any input from union members. But local officials would still, at the end of that period, be able to impose their changes unilaterally.

The second concession gives union members 20 percent of the savings from any health care changes for one year, if the unions object to changes imposed by local officials. The original bill gave the unions 10 percent of the savings for one year.

The modifications bring the House bill closer to a plan introduced by Governor Deval Patrick in January. The governor, like Murray, has said he wants workers to have some say in altering their health plans, but does not want unions to have the power to block changes.

But union leaders said that even with the last-minute concessions, the bill was an assault on workers’ rights, unthinkable in a state that has long been a bastion of union support. Some Democrats accused DeLeo of following the lead of Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin and other Republicans who have targeted public employee benefits. “In the bigger world out there, this fits into a very bad movement to disempower labor unions,’’ said Representative Denise Provost, a Somerville Democrat who opposed the bill.

Under the legislation, mayors and other local officials would be given unfettered authority to set copayments and deductibles for their employees, after the 30-day discussion period with unions. Only the share of premiums paid by employees would remain on the health care bargaining table.

Geoff Beckwith, executive director of the Massachusetts Municipal Association, said that, even if the bill becomes law, municipal workers would still have more bargaining power over their health care plans than state employees. “It’s a fair, balanced, strong, effective and meaningful reform,’’ he said.

Unions lobbied to derail the speaker’s plan in favor of a labor-backed proposal that would preserve collective bargaining, and would let an arbitrator decide changes to employee health plans if local officials and unions deadlock after 45 days. Labor leaders initially persuaded 50 lawmakers, including six members of DeLeo’s leadership team, to back their plan last week. But DeLeo peeled off some of the labor support in the final vote.

Representative Martin J. Walsh, a Dorchester Democrat who is secretary-treasurer of the Boston Building Trades Council, led the fight against the speaker’s plan. In a speech that was more wistful than angry, he recalled growing up in a union household that had health care benefits generous enough to help him overcome cancer in 1974. He said collective bargaining rights helped build the middle class.

“Municipal workers aren’t the bad guys here,’’ he said. “They’re not the ones who caused the financial crisis. Banks and investment companies got a slap on the wrist for their wrongdoing, but public employees are losing their benefits.’’

The timing of the vote was significant. Union leaders plan today to unleash a major lobbying blitz with police officers, firefighters, and other workers flooding the State House. Taking the vote last night at 11:30 allowed lawmakers to avoid a potentially tense confrontation with those workers, and vote when the marble halls of the House were all but empty.


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/04/27/house_votes_to_limit_bargaining_on_health_care/

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Where are the riots? Where's Jesse Jackson? Where are the protestors trashing the capitol buildings? Where are the calls of "Human right's" violations? :-k

Oh! The Democrats did it, and not the Republicans, because they need to curb spending and stop the bleeding in Mass.!! So I guess it's O.K. then! :cheerlead:

Muddy
04-27-2011, 10:49 PM
Where are the riots? Where's Jesse Jackson? Where are the protestors trashing the capitol buildings? Where are the calls of "Human right's" violations? :-k

Oh! The Democrats did it, and not the Republicans, because they need to curb spending and stop the bleeding in Mass.!! So I guess it's O.K. then! :cheerlead:

:empathy:

Griffin
04-27-2011, 11:26 PM
Labor unions were needed a hundred years ago.
Today all they do is steal from their members, bankrupt companies, prevent good people from earning an honest wage, all while making the union leaders millionaires.

AntZ
04-27-2011, 11:52 PM
Labor unions were needed a hundred years ago.
Today all they do is steal from their members, bankrupt companies, prevent good people from earning an honest wage, all while making the union leaders millionaires.

True that!

I came from a Union family, my dad was in the Machinist Union, and my mom was in the Butchers Union. Today, after all the bullshit I've experienced from unions in my adult life, I despise them!

Loser
04-28-2011, 04:15 AM
Most unions are useless. Police/city/county unions on the other hand are very much needed, and I can't for the life of me understand why they would go after them.


For instance, when some dumb fucking politician decides to drop essential officer training for some bullshit sensitivity training, it's usually the police union that stops that bullshit.

And I would laugh my fucking ass off if some dumb fuck were to piss off the garbage handlers union. :lol:

lost in melb.
04-28-2011, 06:23 AM
Labor unions were needed a hundred years ago.
Today all they do is steal from their members, bankrupt companies, prevent good people from earning an honest wage, all while making the union leaders millionaires.

You union leaders are millionaires!?



And I would laugh my fucking ass off if some dumb fuck were to piss off the garbage handlers union. :lol:


:-s
:mrgreen:

Acid Trip
04-28-2011, 12:49 PM
Most unions are useless. Police/city/county unions on the other hand are very much needed, and I can't for the life of me understand why they would go after them.


For instance, when some dumb fucking politician decides to drop essential officer training for some bullshit sensitivity training, it's usually the police union that stops that bullshit.

And I would laugh my fucking ass off if some dumb fuck were to piss off the garbage handlers union. :lol:

Please explain why police, city, and county unions are necessary.

The reason people are against public unions is because they have NO COMPETITION and INSANE BENEFITS. If the fire fighters and police decide to strike who fills their job while they do so? Nobody because you can't train firemen/police that fast. It's holding the citizen/taxpayer hostage because they can't go without services like that.

Unions have used/will always use this tactic. Then the REQUIRED union dues are pretty much 100% allocated to one particular party. So if I want to be a fireman I'm forced to join their union, forced to pay dues which go to Democrats and somehow people think that's okay? What if every private sector job required you join a group that donated exclusively to the Republicans? The media would go ballistic.

Teh One Who Knocks
04-28-2011, 01:29 PM
You union leaders are millionaires!?

Some of the leaders of the bigger unions are, yes


If the fire fighters and police decide to strike who fills their job while they do so?

That's a scare tactic as I am 99% sure (I might be wrong, but I don't think so) that police and firefighters cannot go on strike (officially) as it is written into their contracts.

Acid Trip
04-28-2011, 01:53 PM
Some of the leaders of the bigger unions are, yes



That's a scare tactic as I am 99% sure (I might be wrong, but I don't think so) that police and firefighters cannot go on strike (officially) as it is written into their contracts.

A scare tactic they willingly employ on a consistent basis. Just because it's a false threat doesn't make it less effective to the general public (aka idiots).

FBD
04-28-2011, 03:58 PM
Where are the riots? Where's Jesse Jackson? Where are the protestors trashing the capitol buildings? Where are the calls of "Human right's" violations? :-k

Oh! The Democrats did it, and not the Republicans, because they need to curb spending and stop the bleeding in Mass.!! So I guess it's O.K. then! :cheerlead:

:lol: :thumbsup:

AntZ
04-28-2011, 04:24 PM
That's a scare tactic as I am 99% sure (I might be wrong, but I don't think so) that police and firefighters cannot go on strike (officially) as it is written into their contracts.

You're right, it's forbidden in the contracts! They need a doctors note for prolonged sick days. The often done tactic is a work slow down, or like the police call the "Blue Flu". usually a third of the force will suddenly take ill. Funny, they always manage to get doctor notes and no one is ever fired.

In Wisconsin, all the public employees were in violation of their contracts, so naturally they got some help!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LfkIW3sdcQ

Teh One Who Knocks
04-28-2011, 04:31 PM
And while not right, 1/3 of the police force calling in 'sick' isn't the same as trying to say that the entire police force will go on strike just because they have a union.

I'm with Loser 100%, labor unions need to go, but police and firefighters deserve to keep their unions.

Loser
04-28-2011, 05:00 PM
Police and firefighters deserve every fucking penny they get, and in my opinion don't get enough.

As for why they need unions, it's doesn't even have to do with their pay or benefits. It's more to stop stupid fucking politicians from making horrible decisions that effect officer training.

In my experience, police/fireman pay scales depending on the area they live in. For instance, Chicago police make on average double that of the officers in the surrounding cities. Why? because they have to deal with more shitheads. It's like this almost everywhere you go. Where I live now, in the middle of nowhere, cops make absolutely shit for pay. Roughly 25k a year, crap benefits, and ZERO retirement plan, but then again they don't have to deal with shit.

If some dumb fucking politician were to try to strip what little they get, then hell yes they have every right to walkout, union or not.