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Teh One Who Knocks
11-11-2013, 12:15 PM
By GILLIAN FLACCUS Associated Press


It looked like a typical Sunday morning at any mega-church. Several hundred people, including families with small children, packed in for more than an hour of rousing music, an inspirational talk and some quiet reflection. The only thing missing was God.

Nearly three dozen gatherings dubbed "atheist mega-churches" by supporters and detractors have sprung up around the U.S. and Australia — with more to come — after finding success in Great Britain earlier this year. The movement fueled by social media and spearheaded by two prominent British comedians is no joke.

On Sunday, the inaugural Sunday Assembly in Los Angeles attracted several hundred people bound by their belief in non-belief. Similar gatherings in San Diego, Nashville, New York and other U.S. cities have drawn hundreds of atheists seeking the camaraderie of a congregation without religion or ritual.

The founders, British duo Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, are currently on a tongue-in-cheek "40 Dates, 40 Nights" tour around the U.S. and Australia to drum up donations and help launch new Sunday Assemblies. They hope to raise more than $800,000 that will help atheists launch their pop-up congregations around the world. So far, they have raised about $50,000.

They don't bash believers but want to find a new way to meet likeminded people, engage in the community and make their presence more visible in a landscape dominated by faith.

Jones got the first inkling for the idea while leaving a Christmas carol concert six years ago.

"There was so much about it that I loved, but it's a shame because at the heart of it, it's something I don't believe in," Jones said. "If you think about church, there's very little that's bad. It's singing awesome songs, hearing interesting talks, thinking about improving yourself and helping other people — and doing that in a community with wonderful relationships. What part of that is not to like?"

The movement dovetails with new studies that show an increasing number of Americans are drifting from any religious affiliation.

The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life released a study last year that found 20 percent of Americans say they have no religious affiliation, an increase from 15 percent in the last five years. Pew researchers stressed, however, that the category also encompassed majorities of people who said they believed in God but had no ties with organized religion and people who consider themselves "spiritual" but not "religious."

Sunday Assembly — whose motto is Live Better, Help Often, Wonder More — taps into that universe of people who left their faith but now miss the community church provided, said Phil Zuckerman, a professor of secular studies at Pitzer College in Claremont.

It also plays into a feeling among some atheists that they should make themselves more visible. For example, last December, an atheist in Santa Monica created an uproar — and triggered a lawsuit — when he set up a godless display amid Christian nativity scenes that were part of a beloved, decades-old tradition.

"In the U.S., there's a little bit of a feeling that if you're not religious, you're not patriotic. I think a lot of secular people say, 'Hey, wait a minute. We are charitable, we are good people, we're good parents and we are just as good citizens as you and we're going to start a church to prove it," said Zuckerman. "It's still a minority, but there's enough of them now."

That impulse, however, has raised the ire of those who have spent years pushing back against the idea that atheism itself is a religion.

"The idea that you're building an entire organization based on what you don't believe, to me, sounds like an offense against sensibility," said Michael Luciano, a self-described atheist who was raised Roman Catholic but left when he became disillusioned.

"There's something not OK with appropriating all of this religious language, imagery and ritual for atheism," said Luciano, who blogged about the movement at the site policymic.com.

That sentiment didn't seem to detract from the excitement Sunday at the inaugural meeting in Los Angeles.

Hundreds of atheists and atheist-curious packed into a Hollywood auditorium for a boisterous service filled with live music, moments of reflection, an "inspirational talk" about forgotten — but important — inventors and scientists and some stand-up comedy.

During the service, attendees stomped their feet, clapped their hands and cheered as Jones and Evans led the group through rousing renditions of "Lean on Me," ''Here Comes the Sun" and other hits that took the place of gospel songs. Congregants dissolved into laughter at a get-to-know-you game that involved clapping and slapping the hands of the person next to them and applauded as members of the audience spoke about community service projects they had started in LA.

At the end, volunteers passed cardboard boxes for donations as attendees mingled over coffee and pastries and children played on the floor.

For atheist Elijah Senn, the morning was perfect.

"I think the image that we have put forward in a lot of ways has been a scary, mean, we want to tear down the walls, we want to do destructive things kind of image is what a lot of people have of us," he said. "I'm really excited to be able to come together and show that it's not about destruction. It's about making things and making things better."

DemonGeminiX
11-11-2013, 12:32 PM
So I guess atheism is a religion after all.

PorkChopSandwiches
11-11-2013, 03:58 PM
cool way to meet like minded people in your area. :tup:

Muddy
11-11-2013, 04:22 PM
cool way to meet like minded people in your area. :tup:

:lol: I dont want to hear shit out of you until you pull Flynn out of that school he is currently attending.. You hypocrite..

PorkChopSandwiches
11-11-2013, 05:34 PM
:rofl: If they had a decent private school that was religion free we would be there, but I havent found one. I just have to debrief him everyday after school.

Muddy
11-11-2013, 05:36 PM
:rofl: If they had a decent private school that was religion free we would be there, but I havent found one. I just have to debrief him everyday after school.

Thats not even right though... You turned to something that you are actively trying to tear down... It's wrong on so many levels...

Goofy
11-11-2013, 05:54 PM
I'm a dyslexic religious nut...... i believe in dog :tup:

PorkChopSandwiches
11-11-2013, 06:10 PM
Thats not even right though... You turned to something that you are actively trying to tear down... It's wrong on so many levels...

My sons education is the most important thing to me, its a choice I had to make.

Loser
11-11-2013, 06:29 PM
Sorry, but organized religions are nothing more than a cult used to suck money out of stupid people.

Have belief, faith, or join a cause, just don't join some fucking cult. :roll:

Muddy
11-11-2013, 06:55 PM
My sons education is the most important thing to me, its a choice I had to make.

So you like the education the Christians give him? How come there are no good atheism based schools?

PorkChopSandwiches
11-11-2013, 07:00 PM
IDK, maybe there will be soon, now that like minded individuals have a place to gather and discuss.

Muddy
11-11-2013, 07:19 PM
Well... you could have a point..

PorkChopSandwiches
11-11-2013, 07:24 PM
The public schools out here have 30 to 35 kids in a class, my son cant focus in that environment. The private school is like 15 kids

Muddy
11-11-2013, 07:44 PM
There are plenty of private schools out there that arent Christian..

PorkChopSandwiches
11-11-2013, 07:58 PM
Not in my area

Teh One Who Knocks
11-11-2013, 08:12 PM
Not in my area

Move out of the ghetto :hand:

PorkChopSandwiches
11-11-2013, 08:28 PM
I cant afford it

Muddy
11-11-2013, 08:29 PM
I cant afford it

Then dont bite the hand that feeds you, ingrate.. :lol:

Hal-9000
11-11-2013, 09:45 PM
Flynn?


shut up :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
11-11-2013, 10:58 PM
:hand: it's Mathew Mark Luke

Hal-9000
11-11-2013, 11:01 PM
3 out of 12, not bad Jimmy Swaggart :lol:

Hal-9000
11-11-2013, 11:03 PM
Little know biblical trivia:

13th disciple hal fell from grace and was struck from the list over the attractive burrow incident..








8-[

DemonGeminiX
11-12-2013, 01:13 AM
3 out of 12, not bad Jimmy Swaggart :lol:

3 out of 4. Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

None of the 12 Apostles were named Mark or Luke. The Apostles (according to the Gospels except for Luke): Simon who was called Peter (The rock that Jesus built his church upon), Andrew (Simon-Peter's brother), James the son of Zebedee, John the brother of James, Philip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew the tax collector, James the son of Alphaeus, Thaddeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas Iscariot. In the Gospel according to Luke, Thaddeus is replaced by Judas the son of James (Jude the Apostle).

Matthew and John are traditionally held as the authors of the Gospels bearing the same names, although people tend to argue over who the author of the Gospel of John really is, if he's the same John of the Apostles or some other "John" whose identity has been lost to antiquity. Scholars also argue whether any of the Gospels were actually written in the same time that Jesus existed. Scholars generally hold that the Gospels were written around 100 to 200 years after Jesus' death, implying that none of the Gospels were actually written by any of the Apostles.

Hal-9000
11-12-2013, 02:56 AM
:hand:

please, Mr Corrector...disciple or apostle names can change with each iteration of the Bible


now let the joke pass, Porky needs some bible skulin and you're hampering the effort :x