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Teh One Who Knocks
05-04-2011, 06:13 PM
By Daniel Bice - The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel


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When news began trickling out that al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden had been killed, many Americans rushed to their TV sets for details, broke into chants at baseball parks or hit the streets to cheer the end of a 10-year manhunt.

But Milwaukee County Reserve Judge Russell Stamper had a different reaction.

He considers the death of bin Laden a case of coldblooded murder.

"I was saddened," said Stamper, who fills in for county judges when needed. "You murdered a man."

In a Facebook rant Monday, the 66-year-old jurist went even further, promoting the fringe position that it's not clear that bin Laden was the mastermind behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. On top of that, he ripped a number of federal agencies.

"For me, if the choice is condemnation of the CIA, DEA, FBI and IRS or Osama bin Laden, it's an easy call," Stamper wrote.

"I remain unconvinced that bin Laden committed the 911 attack, whereas we know the lettered government organizations are thieves, assassins, dope peddlers, government destabilizers, did I say assassins?, arms purveyors and various and sundry other planetary criminals."

The comment got one thumbs up.

The judge stated later in the same discussion thread, "Death is a natural process, murder is not."

In an interview, Stamper didn't back away from his remarks.

He said there is "no firm evidence" that bin Laden was involved in the plot, which killed nearly 3,000 Americans when hijacked airplanes flew into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and, when passengers fought back, crashed in Pennsylvania. He did stop short of endorsing the conspiracy theory that the U.S. government orchestrated the attack.

But Stamper said if it was so obvious that the al-Qaida leader was behind what happened, federal officials should have brought criminal charges against him. He said he believes the Saudi-born jihadist had "a right to a jury trial."

"You can't go around helter-skelter killing people," said Stamper, who sat on the bench as a Milwaukee County Circuit judge for 13 years before being bounced from office in a tough race for re-election in 1996. "That's contrary to any sense of fairness."

Over the past decade, Stamper has served as a reserve county judge, earning as much as $63,000 a year filling in for elected judges when they are ill, on vacation or their dockets are overloaded. So far this year, Stamper has put in only 5 1/2 days as a reserve judge, getting paid $445.15 per day. That brings his total pay to about $2,448.

He also serves as chairman of the Community Brainstorming Conference, a monthly public affairs forum for the city's African-Americans.

Stamper came under some criticism in 2000 for likening now-Gov. Scott Walker to former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke and calling Walker and his friends white supremacists.

Told Monday that his views represented a minority perspective on bin Laden, Stamper brushed the point aside. At first he said the crowds cheering bin Laden's death might be the minority, but then he said many people may not be aware of the facts regarding bin Laden and 9-11.

"Maybe it's because of ignorance," he said.

He then went on his own Facebook page to elaborate on his interview with No Quarter.

He posed a question there that he raised repeatedly during the interview.

"Given the US emphasis on exporting democracy and justice to foreign gov'ts, is the killing of bin Laden without any due process protections fair or just?" Stamper wrote.

Had the U.S. taken the case to court, the veteran judge said he wouldn't have minded presiding over the trial. He explained that he believes the best judges are the ones who are nearly invisible during the case, like a good boxing referee.

By having American forces kill bin Laden, Stamper said, the executive branch of government was assuming a role reserved for the judicial branch. Over the weekend, President Barack Obama ordered a raid on the fortified compound in Pakistan where bin Laden was holed up. Navy SEALs killed bin Laden, one of his sons, a daughter-in-law and two al-Qaida facilitators.

Asked who exactly was responsible for the 9-11 attacks, Stamper was vague.

"We can only say with certainty that the people who knew were those involved," he said.

Milwaukee County Chief Judge Jeffrey Kremers, who appointed Stamper a reserve judge, distanced himself from the reserve judge's position.

"Personally, I strongly disagree with, and am bothered by, the comments attributed to Reserve Judge Stamper. I was unaware of his comments until I saw them today," Kremers said. "I have never heard a complaint from anyone that he uses, or has used, the bench to express his political views."

Thank goodness.

Muddy
05-04-2011, 06:32 PM
Truth be told, I would have preferred to have seen him taken alive as well. Not because of ethics (sorry).. But because there are still a lot of unanswered questions out there.. Man how great would it have been to put this guy on trial?

Hugh_Janus
05-04-2011, 06:41 PM
Truth be told, I would have preferred to have seen him taken alive as well. Not because of ethics (sorry).. But because there are still a lot of unanswered questions out there.. Man how great would it have been to put this guy on trial?

even though it turns out the guy was basically murdered, I'd say him being dead is the better outcome for the US. Can you imagine the shitstorm that'd be caused with people being taken hostage and ultimately killed when the US tell the captors to fuck off after they demand his release

Muddy
05-04-2011, 06:42 PM
The whole thing kinda has a Lee Harvey Oswald taste...

RBP
05-04-2011, 06:47 PM
There is definitely an inherent contradiction in the administration's positions. No enhanced interrogations and a desire for civilian trials with US rights doesn't square at all with vastly increased drone attacks and the assassination of bin Laden. It's ok to kill including those around the target, but not ok to water-board?

I agree with the drones and the assassination personally, but don't get the contradictory positions.

Hal-9000
05-04-2011, 07:04 PM
so....if an event happens where thousands of people die, including the henchman who perpetrated the act (let's say a huge bomb in Madison Square Garden)

and I send a number of video tapes with my image, complete with audio, claiming that I am responsible for the deed....

and even if I didn't ever set foot in New York ..isn't there a law of complicity through knowledge of the act and not stopping it?

PorkChopSandwiches
05-04-2011, 07:07 PM
"You can't go around helter-skelter killing people," said Stamper

What a tool

PorkChopSandwiches
05-04-2011, 07:08 PM
Truth be told, I would have preferred to have seen him taken alive as well. Not because of ethics (sorry).. But because there are still a lot of unanswered questions out there.. Man how great would it have been to put this guy on trial?

I think a trial would have been a complete waste of time and money, this was the best case scenario IMO. Then what, we lock him up in prison for 10 years and pay for that while we try to get him the death penalty.

RBP
05-04-2011, 07:08 PM
so....if an event happens where thousands of people die, including the henchman who perpetrated the act (let's say a huge bomb in Madison Square Garden)

and I send a number of video tapes with my image, complete with audio, claiming that I am responsible for the deed....

and even if I didn't ever set foot in New York ..isn't there a law of complicity through knowledge of the act and not stopping it?



I'm not sure I am getting your point, but sure you can be responsible for something without doing it. Just like hiring a hit man.

Hal-9000
05-04-2011, 07:16 PM
I'm not sure I am getting your point, but sure you can be responsible for something without doing it. Just like hiring a hit man.


oh..

I hire you and a few guys from here to kill 20 people.I don't take part.

Then I send the cops videos of myself that have not been augmented or faked, and I claim responsibility for the murders.
I even go so far as to gloat and threaten that more people will die.

attempted analogy of what Osama did during the years following 911...wasn't there a video sent as early as late 2001
where he claimed responsibility for the deaths?

PorkChopSandwiches
05-04-2011, 07:17 PM
He did take full responsibility

Muddy
05-04-2011, 07:18 PM
He did take full responsibility


Did he?

Hal-9000
05-04-2011, 07:23 PM
He did take full responsibility

Thank you.

There is a law that states - If you have knowledge that a crime will be perpetrated and stay silent, your silence can be construed as complicity and you may be charged.Osama took it a few steps further....he claimed he was responsible..ergo, a confession of guilt.

PorkChopSandwiches
05-04-2011, 07:28 PM
Did he?

Absolutly

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html

Muddy
05-04-2011, 07:30 PM
tap tap

PorkChopSandwiches
05-04-2011, 07:32 PM
is this thing on?

Muddy
05-04-2011, 07:34 PM
No thats the way I have heard described the precision in which the 'seals' were pulling off shots...

RBP
05-04-2011, 07:35 PM
I thought you were describing your lunch hour.

Muddy
05-04-2011, 07:39 PM
Hmmmmmm What to chooose... What to chooose...:-k




:giggity: or :rimshot:




decisions decisions... :lol:

RBP
05-04-2011, 07:50 PM
;)