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Teh One Who Knocks
12-12-2013, 01:31 PM
By Ron Cowen - Nature News


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A team of physicists has provided some of the clearest evidence yet that our Universe could be just one big projection.

In 1997, theoretical physicist Juan Maldacena proposed that an audacious model of the Universe in which gravity arises from infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings could be reinterpreted in terms of well-established physics. The mathematically intricate world of strings, which exist in nine dimensions of space plus one of time, would be merely a hologram: the real action would play out in a simpler, flatter cosmos where there is no gravity.

Maldacena's idea thrilled physicists because it offered a way to put the popular but still unproven theory of strings on solid footing — and because it solved apparent inconsistencies between quantum physics and Einstein's theory of gravity. It provided physicists with a mathematical Rosetta stone, a 'duality', that allowed them to translate back and forth between the two languages, and solve problems in one model that seemed intractable in the other and vice versa. But although the validity of Maldacena's ideas has pretty much been taken for granted ever since, a rigorous proof has been elusive.

In two papers posted on the arXiv repository, Yoshifumi Hyakutake of Ibaraki University in Japan and his colleagues now provide, if not an actual proof, at least compelling evidence that Maldacena’s conjecture is true.

In one paper, Hyakutake computes the internal energy of a black hole, the position of its event horizon (the boundary between the black hole and the rest of the Universe), its entropy and other properties based on the predictions of string theory as well as the effects of so-called virtual particles that continuously pop into and out of existence. In the other, he and his collaborators calculate the internal energy of the corresponding lower-dimensional cosmos with no gravity. The two computer calculations match.

“It seems to be a correct computation,” says Maldacena, who is now at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey and who did not contribute to the team's work.

Regime change

The findings “are an interesting way to test many ideas in quantum gravity and string theory”, Maldacena adds. The two papers, he notes, are the culmination of a series of articles contributed by the Japanese team over the past few years. “The whole sequence of papers is very nice because it tests the dual [nature of the universes] in regimes where there are no analytic tests.”

“They have numerically confirmed, perhaps for the first time, something we were fairly sure had to be true, but was still a conjecture — namely that the thermodynamics of certain black holes can be reproduced from a lower-dimensional universe,” says Leonard Susskind, a theoretical physicist at Stanford University in California who was among the first theoreticians to explore the idea of holographic universes.

Neither of the model universes explored by the Japanese team resembles our own, Maldacena notes. The cosmos with a black hole has ten dimensions, with eight of them forming an eight-dimensional sphere. The lower-dimensional, gravity-free one has but a single dimension, and its menagerie of quantum particles resembles a group of idealized springs, or harmonic oscillators, attached to one another.

Nevertheless, says Maldacena, the numerical proof that these two seemingly disparate worlds are actually identical gives hope that the gravitational properties of our Universe can one day be explained by a simpler cosmos purely in terms of quantum theory.

FBD
12-12-2013, 11:49 PM
Luke: Obi-Wan! Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father.
Obi-Wan: Your father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jobWnQ__OPA

Hal-9000
12-13-2013, 12:13 AM
:-k you clever monkey ^^


gravity has always fascinated me..the theory of a flat universe without gravity however, will take more doobies and thought-time

Muddy
12-13-2013, 12:35 AM
What in the fuck is this weed they smoke?

FBD
12-13-2013, 07:05 PM
:lol: key operative, "from a certain point of view." things can mathematically be described a ton of different ways depending on what your focus is

no gravity hal? what mook came up with that one? :lol:

Goofy
12-13-2013, 07:52 PM
What in the fuck is this weed they smoke?

White Rhino, epic skunk :tup:

Goofy
12-13-2013, 07:53 PM
Just googled "white rhino weed" - http://www.leafly.com/hybrid/white-rhino :lol: Remember it from my 'younger' days 8-[

Hal-9000
12-13-2013, 08:04 PM
"...the real action would play out in a simpler, flatter cosmos where there is no gravity."


the real action :lol: IDK FBD, the writer is pretty oblique with his references

FBD
12-13-2013, 08:36 PM
(confused a name)


"a conjecture — namely that the thermodynamics of certain black holes can be reproduced from a lower-dimensional universe,” says Leonard Susskind"

yeah, kinda like some maths make sense in 3 dimensions of space and 1 of time, yet they also have 11 dimensional descriptions :lol:

or, like Newton's stuff is applicable in its own range, and GR applicable in that range and a little beyond...

perhaps they can find some interesting correlations and curve-fitting, but its applicability will be limited to esoteric contexts, methinks

Teh One Who Knocks
12-13-2013, 10:41 PM
http://i.imgur.com/AjOsrk4.jpg

Hal-9000
12-13-2013, 11:26 PM
I understand the basic forces of physics but gravity has always caused me to go hmmmm....it bothers me :x


:lol:

Griffin
12-14-2013, 03:36 AM
It's a good thing we have gravity or else when birds died they'd just stay right up there.

FBD
12-14-2013, 03:50 PM
I understand the basic forces of physics but gravity has always caused me to go hmmmm....it bothers me :x


:lol:
but the weak force makes sense to ya? :razz:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Mandelbrot_sequence_new.gif

FBD
12-14-2013, 03:50 PM
:willie:

PorkChopSandwiches
12-14-2013, 04:11 PM
Just googled "white rhino weed" - http://www.leafly.com/hybrid/white-rhino :lol: Remember it from my 'younger' days 8-[

Sounds great

Hal-9000
12-14-2013, 08:24 PM
but the weak force makes sense to ya? :razz:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Mandelbrot_sequence_new.gif

it stands to reason that everything dies...or fades away so yeah, the decay of particles makes sense in my mind

or a better way to put it may be that particles can't move with the same acceleration forever, and weak force tries to quantify the action over time