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Teh One Who Knocks
01-02-2014, 12:18 PM
United Press Int'l


NEW YORK, Jan. 1 (UPI) -- U.S. border guards have a right to inspect and copy files from travelers' laptops and other devices without reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, a judge ruled.

Such searches are rare, with "about a 10 in a million chance" of happening, so "there is not a substantial risk" someone's laptop, cellphone or other device will be searched and seized at the nation's borders, including at airports and on trains, U.S. District Judge Edward R. Korman wrote.

But for people whose devices do get searched, the government doesn't need reasonable suspicion to examine or confiscate them, he wrote, citing case law that holds "searches at our borders without probable cause and without a warrant are nonetheless 'reasonable.'"

In making his ruling, Korman, of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn, dismissed a lawsuit by graduate student Pascal Abidor, an Islamic studies scholar and a dual French-U.S. citizen, who had his laptop inspected and taken by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers in May 2010 while he was on an Amtrak train from Montreal to New York.

The officers also handcuffed him, placed him in a cell and questioned him for several hours, the New York Times said.

The law enforcement agency, part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, returned the laptop 11 days later.

Abidor could prove no legal injury from the laptop's confiscation, the Washington Post said.

The National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers and the National Press Photographers Association joined Abidor in the case, arguing their members travel with confidential information that should be protected from government scrutiny.

Represented by the American Civil Liberties Union, they all alleged the policy violated their rights to privacy and free speech.

"While it is true that laptops may make overseas work more convenient, the precautions plaintiffs may choose to take to 'mitigate' the alleged harm associated with the remote possibility of a border search are simply among the many inconveniences associated with international travel," wrote Korman, who is also a visiting judge on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in California.

That court ruled in March extensive "forensic" searches required reasonable suspicion of criminal activity, but simple checks of photos and other files did not. Korman was not one of the judges in that case.

The ACLU said it was considering an appeal.

Catherine Crump, the ACLU attorney who argued the case in July 2011, said in a statement the searches Korman's ruling addressed were "part of a broader pattern of aggressive government surveillance that collects information on too many innocent people, under lax standards and without adequate oversight."

Homeland Security spokesman Peter Boogaard said, "These checks are essential to enforcing the law, and protecting national security and public safety, always with the shared goals of protecting the American people while respecting civil rights and civil liberties."

FBD
01-02-2014, 12:45 PM
fk the government

Acid Trip
01-02-2014, 03:52 PM
:wtf:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-02-2014, 04:28 PM
fk the government


:wtf:

Don't question authority citizen and move along :hand:

Griffin
01-02-2014, 06:21 PM
Don't question authority citizen and move along :hand:

after handing over your electronic devices of course!

Loser
01-02-2014, 07:16 PM
Encrypt using non-RSA methods, and don't worry about it? :-k

redred
01-02-2014, 07:27 PM
just find loads of porn that have gay border guards in it and store it , let them view ,smile and blow a little kiss towards them :lol:

Acid Trip
01-02-2014, 07:49 PM
Encrypt using non-RSA methods, and don't worry about it? :-k

And those would be...?

KevinD
01-02-2014, 09:27 PM
Not really new. Saw this years ago in a travel document when I was coming back from India. Do I agree with it? Nope, not at all, and mine are encrypted, and the password will not be voluntarily given.

Loser
01-03-2014, 05:09 AM
And those would be...?

PGP or any other open source methods not put together using RSA Key encryption methods.

Most encryption software used, gives you several options on what kind of key encryption you want to use, research those and make an informed decision.

Godfather
01-03-2014, 05:13 AM
I was watching a Boarder Cop show just a few weeks ago and they stop this guy and start looking through his phone like it's a fuckin public library. They pull up some pictures of guns and go 'you're now allowed to own guns because you're on probation' and they guys like... 'well, I like guns, it's a hobby, they're just pictures.' These cops thought it was some brilliant piece of evidence they found to crack a murder case. Ridiculous.

It was a very gestapo kind of moment...

Loser
01-03-2014, 05:39 AM
I was watching a Boarder Cop show just a few weeks ago and they stop this guy and start looking through his phone like it's a fuckin public library. They pull up some pictures of guns and go 'you're now allowed to own guns because you're on probation' and they guys like... 'well, I like guns, it's a hobby, they're just pictures.' These cops thought it was some brilliant piece of evidence they found to crack a murder case. Ridiculous.

It was a very gestapo kind of moment...

Does nobody pin or encrypt their phones? :-k

Acid Trip
01-03-2014, 03:21 PM
PGP or any other open source methods not put together using RSA Key encryption methods.

Most encryption software used, gives you several options on what kind of key encryption you want to use, research those and make an informed decision.

So how many people do you know would understand this statement?

AES-Twofish-Serpent cascading encryption with the XTS method and the Whirlpool hash algorithm.

That's the best I could come up with using TrueCrypt.

DemonGeminiX
01-03-2014, 03:45 PM
It's their own fault that people don't get to know their hardware and software the way that they should, AT. The knowledge is out there, but people are too freakin' lazy to look for it and learn.

redred
01-03-2014, 04:27 PM
if i travel to the US i may have to deep clean mine after all the posts in hal's hole :lol:

FBD
01-03-2014, 04:59 PM
I just read a fkn article yesterday about how customs destroyed 11 very rare flutes that belonged to a canadian musician. they took one look at em, said jesus these are bamboo and fucking destroyed them. said they presented some potential ecological disaster. like they were pieces of fuggin fresh bamboo straight from the woods of china.

I am so disgusted with this place, this country, this planet. precursor to hell, its becoming.

Muddy
01-03-2014, 05:04 PM
PGP or any other open source methods not put together using RSA Key encryption methods.

Most encryption software used, gives you several options on what kind of key encryption you want to use, research those and make an informed decision.

Exactly.. They cant crack the RSA.. Thats the big quantum computer they (NSA) are trying to make now..

Jezter
01-03-2014, 05:47 PM
Citizen -> :doggybanana: <- Government