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Teh One Who Knocks
01-20-2014, 01:05 PM
By Mark Prigg - The Daily Mail


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The Sun's activity is at its lowest for 100 years, scientists have warned.

They say the conditions are eerily similar to those before the Maunder Minimum, a time in 1645 when a mini ice age hit, Freezing London's River Thames.

Researcher believe the solar lull could cause major changes, and say there is a 20% chance it could lead to 'major changes' in temperatures.

'Whatever measure you use, solar peaks are coming down,' Richard Harrison of the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in Oxfordshire told the BBC.

'I've been a solar physicist for 30 years, and I've never seen anything like this.'

He says the phenomenon could lead to colder winters similar to those during the Maunder Minimum.

'There were cold winters, almost a mini ice age.

'You had a period when the River Thames froze.'

Lucie Green of UCL believes that things could be different this time due to human activity.

'We have 400 years of observations, and it is in a very similar to phase as it was in the runup to the Maunder Minimum.

'The world we live in today is very different, human activity may counteract this - it is difficult to say what the consequences are.'

Mike Lockwood University of Reading says that the lower temperatures could affect the global jetstream, causing weather systems to collapse.

'We estimate within 40 years there a 10-20% probability we will be back in Maunder Minimum territory,' he said.

Last year Nasa warned 'something unexpected' is happening on the Sun'

This year was supposed to be the year of 'solar maximum,' the peak of the 11-year sunspot cycle.

But as this image reveals, solar activity is relatively low.

'Sunspot numbers are well below their values from 2011, and strong solar flares have been infrequent,' the space agency says.

The image above shows the Earth-facing surface of the Sun on February 28, 2013, as observed by the Helioseismic and Magnetic Imager (HMI) on NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory.

It observed just a few small sunspots on an otherwise clean face, which is usually riddled with many spots during peak solar activity.

Experts have been baffled by the apparent lack of activity - with many wondering if NASA simply got it wrong.

However, Solar physicist Dean Pesnell of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center believes he has a different explanation.

'This is solar maximum,' he says.

'But it looks different from what we expected because it is double-peaked.'

'The last two solar maxima, around 1989 and 2001, had not one but two peaks.'

Solar activity went up, dipped, then rose again, performing a mini-cycle that lasted about two years, he said.

The same thing could be happening now, as sunspot counts jumped in 2011 and dipped in 2012, he believes.

Pesnell expects them to rebound in 2013: 'I am comfortable in saying that another peak will happen in 2013 and possibly last into 2014.'

He spotted a similarity between Solar Cycle 24 and Solar Cycle 14, which had a double-peak during the first decade of the 20th century.

If the two cycles are twins, 'it would mean one peak in late 2013 and another in 2015'.

Pony
01-20-2014, 01:07 PM
Quick, everyone pump more CO2 into the atmosphere to keep us warm!

PorkChopSandwiches
01-20-2014, 04:00 PM
:hills:

FBD
01-20-2014, 04:09 PM
heh, been saying this ever since the sunspot funk, I was waiting curiously to see what cycle 24 was going to do - now isnt this funny, Hansen the climate scientist predicted 24 to be a rager - it would totally have had to have been for his predictions to be even remotely correct.

from what I've read, the motions of the planets modulate the tides on the sun, mainly jupiter, saturn, neptune....but very subtly. so whether they line up and constructively amplify, destructively amplify, or have no coherence to the portion of the pattern and the sun's internal dynamics well overshadow. that the sun itself wobbles around the epicenter (gravitational center of solar system) isnt as important as the flux dynamics. but if the mechanism is retarded enough, then the current drops below a certain threshold value and sunspots dont happen...along with all the resultant interactions from CMEs and stuff. when the sun is geared up, the earth does in turn, its all electromagnetic friction.

that's gonna suck if it gets cold. like really cold, not this balmy 25, 30 degrees shit. deep always said I was crazy for being long on pajamas and blankets :lol:

Goofy
01-20-2014, 06:28 PM
Where's "Global Warming" when you need it :sad2:

Muddy
01-20-2014, 06:29 PM
Quick, everyone pump more CO2 into the atmosphere to keep us warm!

:slapchop:

Hal-9000
01-20-2014, 07:54 PM
It's because we're eating too many cows so there's not enough methane in the atmosphere from their farts :sad2:

FBD
01-20-2014, 08:12 PM
est of all is Dr. Lucie Green from University College in London, who describes the unsettled state of the science [at 3:35]:

It is a very very complex area because the sun’s activity controls how much visible light the sun gives out, but also how much ultraviolet light and x-rays that the sun emits and they create a web of changes up in the earth’s atmosphere producing effects that actually we don’t fully understand.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/19/bbc-runs-6-excellent-minutes-on-quiet-sun-and-past-correlation-with-little-ice-age/#more-85831


As Stephen Wilde has been pointing out for years, the wider meanders in the polar jet that seem to be associated with low solar activity can be expected to cause a net increase in cloudiness which would increase the earth’s albedo, having a global cooling effect. The jet stream follows the boundry where cold polar air slides beneath and pushes up warmer temperate air, creating storm tracks. Not only do wider meanders create longer storm tracks but the resulting cloud cover occurs at lower latitudes, where the incidence of incoming solar radiation is steeper, making the albedo reflection stronger.

but of course the bbc is still waking from its indoctrination, so no, greenhouse gases will not counteract this or...haha...save us.

one of the guys that I pay attention to research & writing said something about being able to see what happens with the sun in the march timeframe might give some more data to the planetary alignment stuff in terms of the flux polarity rollover for the (I believe) northern hemisphere of the sun...south already topped...so basically we'll be watching to see how long it takes for the sun to establish its next cycle. we dont know exactly how the sun does it when the field flips are disharmonious...they rarely happen all at once, but when they get very much out of phase, that's energy it could have been using to further the next cycle, instead, barely generating it.