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Teh One Who Knocks
01-27-2014, 11:54 AM
By Eric Pfeiffer - The Slideshow (Yahoo! News)


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If you bank at HSBC in England, don’t plan on making any large cash withdrawals. At least not without a good explanation. Or, maybe even a permission slip.

That’s because a previously unannounced change in banking policy is blocking some customers from making large withdrawals without “evidence” explaining why they need the money from their accounts .

The policy affects customers attempting withdrawals for amounts as little as £5,000 ($8,253).

HSBC says it’s all done in the name of customer protection.

"The reason being we have an obligation to protect our customers, and to minimize the opportunity for financial crime,” HSBC said in a statement. “However, following feedback, we are immediately updating guidance to our customer facing staff to reiterate that it is not mandatory for customers to provide documentary evidence for large cash withdrawals, and on its own, failure to show evidence is not a reason to refuse a withdrawal. We are writing to apologize to any customer who has been given incorrect information and inconvenienced."

The change in approach comes after the BBC aired reports from multiple HSBC customers who said they were denied in their recent attempts to make cash withdrawals.

Banking customer Stephen Cotton says he attempted to withdraw approximately $11,000 to repay a loan from his mother but was blocked from doing so.

"When we presented them with the withdrawal slip, they declined to give us the money because we could not provide them with a satisfactory explanation for what the money was for,” he told the BBC. “They wanted a letter from the person involved."

Cotton says the bank wouldn’t even tell him how much he was allowed to withdraw under the new policy, which was not announced to customers when taking affect last November.

"So I wrote out a few slips. I said, 'Can I have £5,000?' They said no. I said, 'Can I have £4,000?' They said no. And then I wrote one out for £3,000 and they said, 'OK, we'll give you that.' "

In the U.S. there have been rumors of similar restrictions that major banks such as Citibank have denied. After the massive security breach at Target retail stores in December, JP Morgan did place a temporary limit on how much cash customers could withdraw from Chase ATM’s at Target stores and how much they could spend on their debit cards at one time. But that limit has since been removed.

A Conservative member of the British Parliament said the change in policy “infantilizes the customer.” However, the head of retail at the British Bankers Association defended the policy.

"I can understand it's frustrating for customers,” Eric Leenders told the BBC. “But if you are making the occasional large cash withdrawal, the bank wants to make sure it's the right way to make the payment."

Hal-9000
01-27-2014, 11:08 PM
wow

that's your money in the account, they have no right to block your withdrawals for any reason...large or small

Pony
01-27-2014, 11:24 PM
First time my bank told me I couldn't withdraw some of MY money I would close the account on the spot.

Griffin
01-28-2014, 12:14 AM
this is why all of my money is buried in mason jars in the back yard

Loser
01-28-2014, 12:15 AM
When I bought my new van, my previous bank said I couldn't withdraw that much cash without providing them with a reason why.

I had to wait two days, but I closed all my accounts with them, totaling just under 250,000$ and told them to go fuck themselved as I walked out the door.

Hugh_Janus
01-28-2014, 12:29 AM
When I bought my new van, my previous bank said I couldn't withdraw that much cash without providing them with a reason why.

I had to wait two days, but I closed all my accounts with them, totaling just under 250,000$ and told them to go fuck themselved as I walked out the door.

exactly what I'd have done.... I'm all for them being reluctant to hand over cash all willy nilly, but if I have everything I need to take out money, then I want my money. They don't need to know what I'm spending my money on.... either they give me what I want, or they lose all my monies

deebakes
01-28-2014, 02:24 AM
When I bought my new van, my previous bank said I couldn't withdraw that much cash without providing them with a reason why.

I had to wait two days, but I closed all my accounts with them, totaling just under 250,000$ and told them to go fuck themselved as I walked out the door.

:shock:


:wank:

Hal-9000
01-28-2014, 05:21 AM
When I bought my new van, my previous bank said I couldn't withdraw that much cash without providing them with a reason why.

I had to wait two days, but I closed all my accounts with them, totaling just under 250,000$ and told them to go fuck themselved as I walked out the door.

:lol:

and I thought I was bad...minor variation - I had an argument with my bank years ago about a drive through debit transaction. The slip said it dispensed 300 dollars, nothing came out. I argued with the bank manager for a week (Ilsa, the she-devil of commerce :x ) and finally, begrudgingly they gave me my money. No apology, no nothing. I was a week without my own cash in hand because of their automated teller's malfunction.

So when the teller was counting out my cash I asked for the same manager. She arrived and I informed her that I would be cashing 4500 from a mutual fund and I will like it now, on the counter. She started to say no and warn me of fees, tax implications....I interrupted her and said - Depending on what you say next, I may want it all in loonies...as is my right for this sort of transaction.

She silently got very pissed and in a patronizing tone said - Yes, no problem sir. I have one question..if that's okay...Why do you need that much disposable cash if I may inquire?

I pointed to the competing bank across the parking lot (Royal Bank) and said - Because I'm going to move it to an institution that doesn't treat their customers like criminals and inconvenience them for a week, when a banking error occurs. I swear, the teller beside the manager opened her mouth 3 inches wide and smiled :lol: :lol:

If the manager didn't ask the last question about what I needed my money for, I would have left the fund intact.

FBD
01-28-2014, 09:33 PM
no you may NOT inquire, idiot!

why does anyone with any sort of authority whatsoever feel the need to abuse it by trying to weasel people out of what is rightfully theirs, be it money or free speech or personal items - solely by trying to poke at where people may be ignorant of what their rights are?

redred
01-28-2014, 09:45 PM
I put in a cheque for 25 k into my bank when I was buying my last house , they asked where the money came from I looked at the girl behind the counter and said the person that signed it :lol: and if that was a problem I'd find other bank

Acid Trip
01-28-2014, 11:07 PM
When I bought my new van, my previous bank said I couldn't withdraw that much cash without providing them with a reason why.

I had to wait two days, but I closed all my accounts with them, totaling just under 250,000$ and told them to go fuck themselved as I walked out the door.

They (the bank) had to fill out a CTR (Currency Transaction Report [transactions over 10k]) and/or SAR (Suspicious Activity Report [you don't withdraw that much very often]) before they could give you the money. That requires them asking you "why".

These are federal regulations and had nothing to do with your bank being assholes.

Acid Trip
01-28-2014, 11:08 PM
exactly what I'd have done.... I'm all for them being reluctant to hand over cash all willy nilly, but if I have everything I need to take out money, then I want my money. They don't need to know what I'm spending my money on.... either they give me what I want, or they lose all my monies

They were following federal law. They would rather "lose all your monies" than not comply and pay a massive fine.

Loser
01-28-2014, 11:13 PM
They (the bank) had to fill out a CTR (Currency Transaction Report [transactions over 10k]) and/or SAR (Suspicious Activity Report [you don't withdraw that much very often]) before they could give you the money. That requires them asking you "why".

These are federal regulations and had nothing to do with your bank being assholes.

The bank, nor the federal government needs to know what I spend MY money on.

Noilly Pratt
01-28-2014, 11:36 PM
I once had, when I was 24, my first and only bank ask that too when I got a few thousand dollars settlement cheque for my dad's estate. The previous week I'd had all my funds frozen because my first and last name are the same as my fathers.

After showing her my ID, the teller presses a few buttons on her computer, frowns and then says "Where did you get the cheque from and why?" I answer "A human being. I'm depositing money - does it matter?" was my reply. "Just a moment". She leaves and comes back with a man with a tie (the manager?) and he asks the same question and adds "can you be more specific than 'human being'?"

My answer "OK - A sentient human being, then?"

He frowns then says for her to cash it. And then that very bank screwed me around with a car loan months later...so I withdrew all of my funds. I'd been banking there since I was a teenager.

FBD
02-01-2014, 04:14 PM
They (the bank) had to fill out a CTR (Currency Transaction Report [transactions over 10k]) and/or SAR (Suspicious Activity Report [you don't withdraw that much very often]) before they could give you the money. That requires them asking you "why".

These are federal regulations and had nothing to do with your bank being assholes.

Chorus:
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck the government

Acid Trip
02-03-2014, 03:03 PM
The bank, nor the federal government needs to know what I spend MY money on.

That makes it easy then, don't use banks or credit unions at all since they all fall under these federal laws.