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Teh One Who Knocks
02-20-2014, 11:56 AM
by Chris Halsne and Chris Koeberl - FOX 31 Denver


DENVER — Colorado welfare recipients are using ATMs located inside marijuana retail shops to withdraw cash.

The money was given to them by taxpayers to help their families survive, but an exclusive Fox31 Denver investigation found some cash benefits most likely going toward marijuana purchases.

FOX31 Denver asked the Colorado Department of Human Services for its “Quest card” database of Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) cash transactions for the month of January, 2014.

That is the first month in which Colorado marijuana dispensaries were regulated and open for recreational sales.

The FOX31 Denver investigative team matched the addresses of EBT cash withdrawal locations with the addresses of Colorado’s marijuana dispensaries.

In one month, records show 19 different marijuana retail stores had at least one welfare recipient walk into their business, insert a Quest debit card into an ATM machine inside the store, then withdraw at least $20 cash.

It is unknown how many dispensaries have ATMs inside their stores because the state of Colorado does not regulate the machines or keep track of their locations.

We also found welfare clients used state-issued debit cards inside marijuana retail stores to collect cash at least 56 times for a total of $3,895. Names like Medicine Man, Starbuds, The Green Solution, MMJ Uptown and The Sanctuary stood out.

A dispensary client named “Robbie” stopped to speak with FOX31 Denver outside MMJ to voice his concerns.

“It’s not discretionary money. It’s survival money. It’s for food and basic necessities and not for entertainment.”

We asked the overseers of cash assistance for low income families, the Colorado Department of Human Services, to review our findings.

Benefits director Lovetta Love told FOX31 Denver investigative reporter Chris Halsne, “What I can say is that we are very concerned about our programs — the integrity of our programs.”

Love also said until the legislature makes the rules more clear, what we found is legal under state law.

“Our research has shown that the majority of our recipients use their benefits to pay rent, to pay for household supplies, soap diapers, care for their children — those kinds of things. But we have no ability to determine what they can use their money for.”

FOX31 Denver spoke with several marijuana dispensary operators who were not too surprised by our findings, including “Brett,” who runs Starbuds on Brighton Boulevard.

“”Well if an EBT card is meant to be used at any ATM, I guess it’s to be used for whatever they think is necessary. We are a medical facility as well so if they were using it for medical applications, that’s a gray area right there.”

Another manager, who spoke on the condition we not use his name, told Halsne that Quest or EBT debit cards, used by welfare recipients, look very similar to all other debit cards.

He says he “would have no way of knowing if welfare cash was being used for the purchase.” He added, however, that as a taxpayer, the misuse of public money bothers him. In his mind, welfare money is supposed to be used for necessities, not recreational items.

It remains possible that some Quest card users pulled cash from an ATM inside a marijuana retail store, than pocketed the cash without buying pot. However, customers who spoke with us admit it’s a stretch to think the money was being used for anything else.

We visited many of the dispensaries to find that not only was marijuana the only product on sale at the location, but access to the ATMs were often in secure or guarded locations not easily accessible by the public.

Leo Branstetter, who lives across the street from one of the recreational marijuana dispensaries on our list, could not believe his ears when we told him about how tax money was being used.

“No. No. No. That’s the last thing that should happen. Ever. No. There’s no justifying any of that. No way. That should never happen. If there’s no oversight, it’s going to happen exponentially.”

It is against Colorado and federal law for welfare recipients to withdraw cash from a casino ATM and spend it gambling.

However, Colorado state lawmakers have not yet made it illegal for such a transaction to occur inside marijuana dispensaries.

Democratic lawmakers in Colorado killed a bill several weeks ago that would have prevented such withdrawals in both marijuana dispensaries and strip clubs.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-20-2014, 04:58 PM
No surprise, they pull money out in casinos too. I dont know why they can use those cards in restaurants either. That shit should be meant for essentials only, they shouldn't even be able to get cash.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-20-2014, 05:11 PM
No surprise, they pull money out in casinos too. I dont know why they can use those cards in restaurants either. That shit should be meant for essentials only, they shouldn't even be able to get cash.

I say the only way to stop this is two-fold. Get rid of the fucking debit cards and go back to regular food stamps (and in the case of using it for rent or whatever, then have the state cut the check straight to the landlord) and make people on government assistance take drug tests to be able to receive benefits. I don't care if you wanna smoke weed, but there's no fucking way you are gonna use my tax money to do it when you are on government assistance.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-20-2014, 05:19 PM
Exactly, although the card is more economical, they just shouldn't be able to use it at an ATM. Why would we give them access to cash. The card should only be used for staple foods. Fruits, vegetables, breads, dairy and meats. No fucking ding-dongs and ice cream or pre packaged hungry man dinners. Im sure you have plenty of time to prepare a meal since you dont do a gawd damn thing the rest of the day.

The Denny's on my way to work has a HUGE sign saying we accept EBT...WTF why are we paying for restaurant visits now.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-20-2014, 05:26 PM
No fucking way, they are starting to take EBT cards at restaurants now???? I haven't seen that around here yet :x

PorkChopSandwiches
02-20-2014, 05:32 PM
I just saw the sign this week, you can see it from the freeway on my way into work. :facepalm:

perrhaps
02-20-2014, 07:51 PM
Well, here's what I predict the Colorado legislature will do.
It'll pass, amidst loud bleats of righteous indignation, a POS "feel-good" law which will make it illegal to use the cards inside pot shops.

Of course, the gas station across the street will see an increase in its ATM's usage.

Unfortunately, Lance and Porky, if you went back to actual food stamps, nothing stops recipients from selling them and using the cash as seen fit. And they do get stolen with depressing frequency.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-20-2014, 07:55 PM
I dont have a problem with the card, I think its a less expensive solution. I just dont like how free they are to use it. I doubt people will sell their card

Teh One Who Knocks
02-20-2014, 07:58 PM
There has to be a way to code the cards to allow them to only be used at places that are grocery stores and the like, and not make them work in ATM's.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-20-2014, 08:00 PM
Yea, the ability to get cash is the biggest problem.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-20-2014, 08:02 PM
My bank knows where my ATM card is used, it shows up instantly as a POS transaction if I use it at the grocery store. There should be a way to code it so that the transaction gets rejected if it's used at an ATM for a cash withdrawal.

Loser
02-20-2014, 08:02 PM
You people are pissed because you make too much money to sponge off the government.

Pride be damned. Find a like minded women, make babies, DONT get married, and have the gov pay for fucking everything.

Gets while the getting is good, because everyone else fucking is.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-20-2014, 08:04 PM
You people are pissed because you make too much money to sponge off the government.

Pride be damned. Find a like minded women, make babies, DONT get married, and have the gov pay for fucking everything.

Gets while the getting is good, because everyone else fucking is.

Sorry, I have this little thing called 'self respect'

PorkChopSandwiches
02-20-2014, 08:08 PM
Sorry, I have this little thing called 'self respect'

I dont even think self respect comes into it, when you come from generations of bottom feeders, you don't even realize you're a piece of shit.

perrhaps
02-20-2014, 08:09 PM
Two blocks from where I work is a "Buy-Sell" store. Basically, it's a pawn shop without the redemption feature, and it's effectively unregulated by any branch of government. They're all over PA now.

Food stamp recipients use their card at a grocery store, to buy canned goods and other durable items, then go to the Buy-Sell store and exchange the goods for cash in the amount of one-half the value established by the grocery store receipt. The store then puts price tags in the amount of 75-80% of the original price on the cans and sells them off the shelf (There's no sales tax on groceries in PA).


Bottom line is that where there's a will to scam the system, there's a way.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-20-2014, 08:10 PM
True, true

Teh One Who Knocks
02-20-2014, 08:25 PM
I dont even think self respect comes into it, when you come from generations of bottom feeders, you don't even realize you're a piece of shit.

Sad, but true


Two blocks from where I work is a "Buy-Sell" store. Basically, it's a pawn shop without the redemption feature, and it's effectively unregulated by any branch of government. They're all over PA now.

Food stamp recipients use their card at a grocery store, to buy canned goods and other durable items, then go to the Buy-Sell store and exchange the goods for cash in the amount of one-half the value established by the grocery store receipt. The store then puts price tags in the amount of 75-80% of the original price on the cans and sells them off the shelf (There's no sales tax on groceries in PA).


Bottom line is that where there's a will to scam the system, there's a way.

Sure, there's always going to be some way to game the system, but the idea is to make it as hard as possible for them to do so. I mean, if it were any easier right now, there would just be people from the state handing them welfare cash outside the pot shops and casinos.

Hal-9000
02-20-2014, 09:05 PM
I wonder if these same welfare cards are being used in liquor stores?

Griffin
02-21-2014, 12:11 AM
I wonder if these same welfare cards are being used in liquor stores?

Sure it can, they are simply prepaid debit cards.

Godfather
02-21-2014, 04:35 AM
I say the only way to stop this is two-fold. Get rid of the fucking debit cards and go back to regular food stamps (and in the case of using it for rent or whatever, then have the state cut the check straight to the landlord) and make people on government assistance take drug tests to be able to receive benefits. I don't care if you wanna smoke weed, but there's no fucking way you are gonna use my tax money to do it when you are on government assistance.

Holy Shit! That's the way I assumed it would work I had no idea you could get actual cash for food stamps, what the actual fuck. That's meant to put modest food on the table of modest families to feed their children. Sickening that it can be turned into cash by people who are already at-risk.

Loser
02-21-2014, 05:00 AM
Sorry, I have this little thing called 'self respect'

I used to think the same way, but I got tired of dishing out tax checks, and watching these welfare motherfuckers living better then I do.

You enjoy your pride and self respect knowing you're paying for these low life motherfuckers to live comfortably off your hard work.

I sure as shit can't do it anymore.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-21-2014, 03:01 PM
^^part of the problem ;)

Teh One Who Knocks
02-21-2014, 03:08 PM
Holy Shit! That's the way I assumed it would work I had no idea you could get actual cash for food stamps, what the actual fuck. That's meant to put modest food on the table of modest families to feed their children. Sickening that it can be turned into cash by people who are already at-risk.

They phased out actual physical food stamps quite awhile ago. Now all the states use EDT cards (debit cards) because like Porky mentioned earlier, it's more economical that way. Each month (or bi-monthly, not sure how the money comes in) the recipient gets the money deposited into their account from the state, supposedly for items like food, clothing, rent and the like, you know, the basic stuff you need to survive. But, since they work just like an ATM card, there is nothing stopping these people from abusing the system by just withdrawing cash from their account and spending it on gambling, tobacco, alcohol, strip clubs, and now pot.

Although there is a law on the Colorado books that makes it illegal to use your EBT card at ATM's in the casinos here.

perrhaps
02-21-2014, 03:12 PM
They phased out actual physical food stamps quite awhile ago. Now all the states use EDT cards (debit cards) because like Porky mentioned earlier, it's more economical that way. Each month (or bi-monthly, not sure how the money comes in) the recipient gets the money deposited into their account from the state, supposedly for items like food, clothing, rent and the like, you know, the basic stuff you need to survive. But, since they work just like an ATM card, there is nothing stopping these people from abusing the system by just withdrawing cash from their account and spending it on gambling, tobacco, alcohol, strip clubs, and now pot.

Although there is a law on the Colorado books that makes it illegal to use your EBT card at ATM's in the casinos here.

But, as mentioned before, there's no law on the Colorado books that makes it illegal to use the card at an ATM on the way to the casino.

Teh One Who Knocks
02-21-2014, 03:25 PM
But, as mentioned before, there's no law on the Colorado books that makes it illegal to use the card at an ATM on the way to the casino.

They shouldn't be able to be used in any ATM anywhere, period. Every place that you need to buy stuff at, be it food or clothing, or even gas for your car, has a POS system in place. You do not need cash for anything. Hell, even the last 2 apartment complexes I lived in had a POS system that you could use to pay your rent.

There is no excuse (or need) for letting people on government assistance have access to their benefits in cash.

Loser
02-21-2014, 03:48 PM
^^part of the problem ;)

Aint ever going to change porky.

The class war that's going on right now is ridiculous.

PorkChopSandwiches
02-21-2014, 04:03 PM
I know, and getting worse daily. Its a sad state

redred
02-21-2014, 06:35 PM
even if you could only use them to buy food ,people would still sell the food to others for cash then hit the pot shops

Hal-9000
02-21-2014, 08:51 PM
even if you could only use them to buy food ,people would still sell the food to others for cash then hit the pot shops

:voiceofexperience:

redred
02-21-2014, 09:09 PM
Drug users will always find money for drugs

Loser
02-21-2014, 10:37 PM
even if you could only use them to buy food ,people would still sell the food to others for cash then hit the pot shops

They already do this. Just an FYI ;)

but but but....it's illegal to do though :roll: