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FBD
03-13-2014, 02:10 PM
School safety expert, former state cop, military, etc...asking FOIA stuff and gets threatened...

He is a former Florida State Trooper, and United States Customs Inspector. He has worked in public education as a Teacher, Assistant Principal, Principal, and Dean, of an alternative school. He also served as the Director for School Safety and Security for the Seminole County Public Schools, a school district of approximately 65,000 students. Wolfgang was invited by the U.S. Department of Justice to train over 3,500 school police officers, school superintendents, and school principals. He is a nationally recognized school safety and security expert/consultant who has provided safety training and school safety assessments for more than 4,000 school districts nationwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEfW9FvLyAg#t=2002

http://www.federaljack.com/school-safety-expert-threatened-for-questioning-sandy-hook/

http://www.federaljack.com/cops-harass-school-safety-expert-twice-during-radio-interview-questioning-the-sandy-hook-massacre/


Basically this guy is saying there are so many protocol oddities and mishaps it is preposterous. After Columbine, protocols were changed to get someone in there ASAP, no waiting for backup...so why were all the local stopped at the entrance a quarter mile away...why did the local captain have an off duty day, was less than a mile away and did not respond. The nurse, somehow missing in a closet for 4 hours, then being escorted out and they wouldnt let her see anything. Not a single parent was let to see their dead kid; not a single lawsuit was filed because of that. No environmental company was ever called in to clean up the supposed bloody mess. Listening to the police stuff, supposedly they were having some kids wait in the very room where kindergarten was shot up. The car outside with the shotgun in it was tampered with by the police before evidence was collected...this is just one thing after another after another.

...not to mention the complete fabrication of the AR-15...

Columbine still stands, albeit renovated. Sandy hook, they couldnt demolish the structure quickly enough.

I dont know what the rest of you guys believe, but I'm still pissed about this bullshit story.

False fkn flags.

redred
03-13-2014, 02:18 PM
if i lived in a country where i believed the government/people in charge killed off kids like that i think i'd move my family out :shrug:

FBD
03-13-2014, 02:27 PM
since the details are locked up tighter than a frog's asshole and nobody "not on the inside" of the operation has ever seen a body, its kinda tough to say that the kids were even killed. if there was no environmental cleanup done, building destroyed...there isnt even any evidence to go back and look for. burn it all, bury it, they classified the FBI's report on it, Danbury County report did not even mention the fact that an FBI report existed on it.

move out...yeah, sounds great, where to go exactly? and leave others I care about behind to deal with the mess. I'll be back anyway. might as well stay and slug it out, I care about the idea of america, it would be wonderful to see that idea restored in my lifetime. not gonna hold my breath or bet on that happening though.

Lambchop
03-13-2014, 02:45 PM
I'm with you. Also 9/11 was done by the CIA in collaboration with the Mossad.

FBD
03-13-2014, 02:54 PM
yeah it took me a while to accept that it was a setup...but eventually when you get around to looking at the AE911 pages, you either doggedly stick with what you believe, or you change your mind in the face of overwhelming data. its just sad that things like this are staged to move society away from being the land of the free, because free people that know they are free and exercise it are just way too tough to control.



"so they said he had aspberger's, right? well, one major characteristic of aspbergers and autism is not so good motor coordination...poor muscle tone...you see it in kids in high school, now we're supposed to believe this kid had an AR, two handguns, a shotgun, all that ammo, AND shot 26 people multiple times in under ten minutes? and NOBODY was wounded? look at columbine, how many wounded there were vs how many dead? these are simple questions that any homicide detective should be asking about any situation like this..."

paramedics and EMTs were not allowed in the school,

technically only a doc can declare someone has died...but the call was already made and no doctor was allowed to see them...

and that joking asshat coroner coming in after the fact and laughing about it doesnt count

PorkChopSandwiches
03-13-2014, 04:32 PM
if i lived in a country where i believed the government/people in charge killed off kids like that i think i'd move my family out :shrug:

If you believe your government does not lie to you and cover up their illegal activity everyday, you're mistaken.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-13-2014, 04:57 PM
If you believe your government does not lie to you and cover up their illegal activity everyday, you're mistaken.

Of course the government lies, but if you spend your day going around thinking everything is a lie and we are living in The Matrix, then you may be a sandwich or two short of a picnic ;)

PorkChopSandwiches
03-13-2014, 04:59 PM
Just know you are always being lied too, that is all

FBD
03-13-2014, 05:20 PM
Of course the government lies, but if you spend your day going around thinking everything is a lie and we are living in The Matrix, then you may be a sandwich or two short of a picnic ;)

true, but if you question nothing...heh...you think that's a sandwich you're eating? :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
03-13-2014, 06:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14yJAo3LLI

redred
03-13-2014, 06:43 PM
If you believe your government does not lie to you and cover up their illegal activity everyday, you're mistaken.

oh i agree they cover up stuff ,but i do not agree they would bring down a building like the trade centre or kill a load of school kids thats a whole different ball game , it just seems that every major and bad thing that happens over in the US is to do with the government

Teh One Who Knocks
03-13-2014, 06:45 PM
oh i agree they cover up stuff ,but i do not agree they would bring down a building like the trade centre or kill a load of school kids thats a whole different ball game , it just seems that every major and bad thing that happens over in the US is to do with the government

http://i.imgur.com/tXqvn6X.jpg

redred
03-13-2014, 06:46 PM
:lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
03-13-2014, 06:54 PM
oh i agree they cover up stuff ,but i do not agree they would bring down a building like the trade centre or kill a load of school kids thats a whole different ball game , it just seems that every major and bad thing that happens over in the US is to do with the government

FBD is saying it possible there were no deaths at Sandy Hook

FBD
03-13-2014, 06:57 PM
oh i agree they cover up stuff ,but i do not agree they would bring down a building like the trade centre or kill a load of school kids thats a whole different ball game , it just seems that every major and bad thing that happens over in the US is to do with the government

when just about every bad thing that happens is either caused by or enabled by the government...

I know bringing down buildings sounds crazy, but just because "it sounds crazy and too far fetched" is simply not a rigorous standard by which to judge these situations. Flight 93 was destined for WTC7, it didnt happen, and they fuggin pulled it down anyway...it was planned well ahead of time and pulled off with wool over people's eyes. Anyone who believes the official report is willfully ignorant.

and kill school kids...well...that's part of what this guy was trying to address...there doesnt even appear to have been a cleanup of all the supposedly dead people. columbine was a mess and an environmental bio cleanup place was employed to clean up all the blood guts and brain...there is no record of that happening here.

or bomb the marathon....staged as all hell with actors...still dont believe people thought that amputee was sitting there conscious with the guy running along next to him holding fuggin vein and shit...not a red flag that the bags that blew up were the same ones the cia guys were carrying and wasnt the bags that the tsarnevs had on...

but concoct a story for the evening news and people automatically believe it, even when there's a ton of contradictory evidence to the official story right in front of one's face...? cmoooon.

they rig the stock market, the rig the gold and PM market, the financial world is on the precipice of the biggest chasm it has ever seen in the world's history...

and these "events" that serve to lock down the public more and more....are just coincidence?

conspiracy theories...more and more of them keep becoming conspiracy facts. to question the official story is not to wear a tinfoil hat. to not believe the official bullet ridden with holes story, is not to wear a tin foil hat.

redred
03-13-2014, 06:59 PM
that would be a great question to ask parents who lost children that day "did anyone really die ? "

DemonGeminiX
03-13-2014, 07:03 PM
that would be a great question to ask parents who lost children that day "did anyone really die ? "

I'm sure that question would result in a few tears and a black eye... maybe a couple of lost teeth and/or a broken nose.

FBD
03-13-2014, 07:04 PM
that would be a great question to ask parents who lost children that day "did anyone really die ? "
exactly - did you see your dead child? no? they wouldnt let you see him/her, wouldnt let you near them? and you didnt sue for it? you didnt lift a finger? you didnt want to break down the fuggin doors to the morgue wanting to make sure that it was your little flesh and blood, inanimate?

no, you're going to laugh and joke before putting on the 6 o clock water works show for the media?? and then call for gun control? :lol: how quaint.

and btw, here's this bill we've got handy here that says AR-15s are assault rifles and we should have everyone who owns one register them, and then we'll make you register to buy ammo...

:roll:

sorry bro, dont believe a word of it. :)

PorkChopSandwiches
03-13-2014, 07:04 PM
There was video of a dad whos daughter had died, then she was miraculously alive on video the next day

DemonGeminiX
03-13-2014, 07:05 PM
That's not what red, the proud parent of a beautiful little girl, meant.

redred
03-13-2014, 07:06 PM
switzerland seems a nice place :tup:

FBD
03-13-2014, 07:07 PM
I understand that dgx :tup: but putting it in that context...were it my son that supposedly happened to, you'd bet your ass I would do anything and everything I had to in order to make sure, I would want to see the body, I would not be able to handle just letting that go and say oh well fuckit they said he died so they must be telling the truth. I would topple the fucking brick walls.

DemonGeminiX
03-13-2014, 07:09 PM
There was video of a dad whos daughter had died, then she was miraculously alive on video the next day

Bullshit. It was her little sister.

This shit has all been debunked already twenty times over, and not only are you guys delusional for perpetuating these ridiculous myths, you're also disgusting.

FBD
03-13-2014, 07:18 PM
See that's what I dont like seeing, is people just closing their eyes tightly shut and saying questioning the official story is promulgating dangerous myths.

If you dont see all of the holes in these stories, it is only because you do not WANT to see them. They are plain as day, and asking the question should not get you visits and threats from "police." Pointing things out is not disgusting. What's disgusting is our government giving us stories so riddled with holes that we KNOW its not true.

I just dont understand the "yeah, the story's got holes, but...I dunno about your conspiracies"...its like you know something isnt right but dont want to look under the bed to see if there really is a monster under there. :lol:

redred
03-13-2014, 07:26 PM
just maybe you didn't see any childrens bodies out of respect ,after all you guys are meant to be a superpower rather than a country like India who seem to enjoy posting video's on sites like liveleak of children dead :shrug:

or is that idea a bit too :tinfoil:

PorkChopSandwiches
03-13-2014, 07:34 PM
Bullshit. It was her little sister.

This shit has all been debunked already twenty times over, and not only are you guys delusional for perpetuating these ridiculous myths, you're also disgusting.

:hand: This is the conspiracy thread

FBD
03-13-2014, 07:36 PM
just maybe you didn't see any childrens bodies out of respect ,after all you guys are meant to be a superpower rather than a country like India who seem to enjoy posting video's on sites like liveleak of children dead :shrug:

or is that idea a bit too :tinfoil:

me personally, I wouldnt want to - unless it was my child. then goddammit, you show me the fuggin body. you let me hold and mourn my child.

they didnt let parents see their dead children, they sealed things off quickly and nobody without very special access saw a damned thing, they dismantled the building as soon as freakin possible...protocol errors left and right with just about every single facet of the event..

its the surrounding facts that point at doubt being cast on there even being children murdered there. not the fact that it wasnt released to the public. certain people should have had a right for viewing - you have got to be shitting me, that an entire classroom of parents had their kids murdered and not a single one of them filed a lawsuit when they all were prevented from identifying the bodies of their children?

Muddy
03-13-2014, 08:08 PM
What the FUCK!

http://i.imgur.com/AcyuHfb.jpg

FBD
03-13-2014, 08:31 PM
you said it mon!

Hal-9000
03-13-2014, 10:46 PM
I think some important things have to be established, reading FBD's point of view

1. no dead bodies were viewed by parents?
2. no forensic clean up was done (blood & gore) at the scene?
3. no wounded children?

I can let certain things go like the Asperger's and Autism argument that the guy couldn't have shot 26 people in 10 minutes...they were children and let's be very honest....when someone busts into a room and starts firing a weapon it's not like everyone in the room immediately recognizes what's happening. Disbelief, shock are quite common in these instances.

What bothers me is the parents not being allowed to view their dead children. If it's true, that violates laws regarding death certificates, next of kin identification.

FBD
03-14-2014, 02:16 PM
demolition was the only way to prevent further testing from being done at the school. because if there was that much blood splattered around, it would show up under the lights, it would show up all over the place...and if there was nothing and a real forensic test was done, then it becomes unequivocally clear that there were no murders.

the reason this guy is so focused on the first 10 minutes is because supposedly the spree ended when cops got there...

http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Sources-Sandy-Hook-911-tapes-reveal-cops-told-to-4996871.php%3Fcmpid%3Dtwitter
Sources: Sandy Hook 911 tapes reveal cops told to 'wait'

and of course the ex post facto excuse is "oh, that was just for EMTs"...because um, by that time, yeah, they hadnt located the shooter...but wait, we hear accounts of some of the "first people in there" that had "already seen lanza's body with self inflicted gun shot to the head." (and that was right after the guy was talking about moving bodies of grieviously injured children....wait a minute pal, you were moving bodies at a crime scene??? wtf???)

which is it??

and what other people are missing is that cel phone 911s go to the pos state police dispatch system and the fkn mouthpiece Lt Vance was the one that acquiesced to the reporter's questions on it being an "assault rifle" - the "higher authority" got here first, prevented townies from being first responders that they normally would be...

now is it not relevant what times all of these calls came in and where?

because if local 911 got the calls before the state police, yet the state police are on record as already being on site when the locals got there - then that is a fishy discrepancy.

this story is fkn LOADED with them. the more you look the more you find. I'm not saying "every first responder knew" or something insane like that, because I have friends who are friends with some of the staties who responded, and some of those lower on the totem pole guys sure as fug did not know anything about a setup.

I spoke briefly about all of this with a friend of my uncle's who's been involved with stateys and the judicial system for a long time (as in lifetime and he's close to retirement,) and he was REALLY tight lipped about saying anything. I know he didnt know anything for sure, but he didnt believe the official writeup either.

I sure as fk dont.

KevinD
03-15-2014, 02:31 PM
Abovetopsecret.com

Sandy hook is indeed full of holes.

FBD
03-19-2014, 04:39 PM
I wonder if one should consider the preposterous amounts of homes and properties in Newtown that closed on 12/25/2009 suspicious. Showing sale prices of 0 dollars, on the assessors page for the Town of Newtown. All previous owners that are normally listed, blank, for most of them. Saw this one record where these people paid off $300k+ on their house...on that christmas day, after having borrowed $380k like 2 and a half years prior. Almost every single home on Riverside road shows a payoff day of their loan on xmas '09. The town, the State of CT, and a ton of people.

How does a billion+ of real estate all get paid off and closed on a non working holiday, sale/payoff prices all redacted.

Like I said, the more you look, the more smelly sneaky suspicious shit you find.

(I mean, unless you believe that jet fuel can burn at thermite temperatures...)

FBD
05-27-2014, 04:36 PM
came across this list typed out that you might not have gotten out of watching the vid:

national school safety consultant Wolfgang Halbig's 16 questions:

1. Who on 14 December 2012 was the Incident Commander as required by the Federal Emergency Management Administration in directing the Mass Casualty Shooting Incident at the Sandy Hook Elementary School?

2. Who and Why did they not request the Life Star Helicopters knowing that children and school staff are seriously injured and clinging to life?

3. Who and Why did they not allow the Paramedics and the EMTs inside the Sandy Hook School to treat any seriously injured children and school staff clinging to life?

4. Who declared all eighteen children and six school staff members legally dead within the first eight minutes? [NOTE: Two were claimed to have been transported to a local hospital before they died. The purported shooter, Adam Lanza, and his mother, Nancy Lanza, are not included in this count.]

5. Who was the Certified Environmental Bio-Hazard Decontamination company contracted by the Newtown Public Schools to remove gallons of blood, skull fragments, brain tissues, bodily fluids, blood soaked carpets and decontaminate areas inside the Sandy Hook School?

6. Why does an off duty Lieutenant from the Newtown Police Department refuse to leave his off duty work assignment at a construction site on 14 December 2012 after hearing that shots have been fired at the Sandy Hook Elementary School?

7. Who at the Newtown Public Schools notified all of the parents in writing (as required by CT law) that had children attending the Sandy Hook Elementary School as well as every school staff member every school year of all the potential life threatening chemical hazards? [NOTE: The school had high levels of lead paint throughout the entire school, Asbestos in the ceiling tiles and floor tiles, asbestos in the insulation and, most of all, the school had a very high levels of PCB. Check out what PCB is and it should scare any parent.]

8. Who provided the urgent medical care for the two children who were not transported to the Danbury Trauma Center until an hour after the school was deemed safe for that 15-mile drive?

9. Who treated those two children who had been shot multiple times–as many as 3 to 11 times–since they did not allow the paramedics and EMTs inside the Sandy Hook Elementary School?

10. Why did the parents of the two children who died at the Danbury Trauma Center not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life?

11. What happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from Sandy Hook Elementary School on 14 December 2012?

12. Who was the police officer calling into the Newtown Police dispatcher stating in his words that he has multiple weapons, he has a rifle and a shotgun and who has the rifle and the shotgun as the chain of evidence should show that was found in Classroom 8?

13. Why would a police officer by the name of Lt Vangehle at 9:45:21 am on 14 December 2012 from the Newtown Police Department after finding a kindergarten female child in the hallway make her go into Classroom 8 and leave her? That was a gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff. Who would do that?

14. Why would two CT State Troopers enter Classroom 10 at 9:55:31 am on 14 December 2012–which was a gruesome crime scene with dead bodies of children and school staff–and tell a kindergarten boy who they find in the bathroom whose name is redacted and tell them so it must be more than one to stay and they will be both back when it is safe?

15. Who ordered the porta-potties that showed up at the scene of the crime about three hours after the event?

16. Who ordered the twenty-six Christmas trees that were stored behind the Firehouse on 14 December 2012 and then brought out to be decorated to commemorate the twenty-six reported victims?

FBD
06-20-2014, 02:43 PM
well that was interesting...this subject came up last night at a mixing session...buddy of mine works in that town, for a certain company that does certain things with certain subjects that go bang...so my buddy gets pulled over by an off duty state cop doing about 140...woman...my buddy is a superlatively good talker, I dont know how many 100+s he's talked his way out of over the years...so she winds up asking him some details about where he was going, then where he works...and she actually asked him what he thought about that day - his reply was he doesnt comment about things of that nature...and she said well ya know what, I was on duty, in that town on that day...and I have serious doubts about what they say happened there...

singer in the band was practically pounding his fist on the desk saying he was unemployed and watching tv that day, he watched everything live and the kids they were shuffling around, there were even discrepancies like they even loaded the same kids into a bus twice yet it was presented like it was more kids being loaded up. and he knows people from town, so does a buddy of his, and with all the other people they know in town, not a single one of any of them knows any of the victims or families or has ever had contact with them, even supposedly living on the same streets and going to the same schools. he said no fucking way did anything happen there, so much of the story changed after the fact, no lawsuits, all that bought up property in the town with 0 dollar purchase prices and people owing 350k on houses just all of a sudden having their loans paid off in the few years before this happened...not to mention once the initial analysis was done on the place they did not allow any further forensic analysis and within a month had the entire site razed like lois lerner's hdd...

you should see the lyrics he writes :lol:

redred
06-20-2014, 03:31 PM
Still all he said she said bullshit at the end of the day

FBD
06-20-2014, 04:15 PM
yup, as is the reports and fabrication of the ar-15...point is, people arent believing bullshit presented them just because it has the official seal of approval on it. I can see people in other parts of the country or world that only get to see what is on the news, but when you are in proximity to people that know, work, live in the area, and nobody's ever heard of these fkn people...when the stuff on live tv gets twisted heavily and buried...when all the evidence and location is completely destroyed as soon as humanly possible...

:shrug: its like man, we aint fkn stupid. had enough with the ceaseless packs of lies coming from the overlords.