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PorkChopSandwiches
03-19-2014, 04:21 PM
SAN DIEGO – With a search warrant in hand, federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confiscated computers, customer lists and the questionable polymer 80 percent lower receivers from four Ares Armor store locations throughout San Diego County over the weekend.

“There were women and children inside our retail establishment when the (ATF) agents came in with guns drawn,” said Ares Armor Executive Officer Dimitrios Karras. “They came into our firearms manufacturing facility saying, ‘Arms up!’ like they were invading Iraq.”

The raid happened three days after Ares owner was granted a temporary restraining by a judge to stop ATF agents from searching their stores.

The ATF confirmed they were investigating the stores for federal firearm violations stemming from the sale of a new plastic version of the 80 percent lowers, which gun enthusiast use to build their own AR-15 rifles.

Building a rifle with specific versions of the 80 percent receivers is legal. The polymer lower receiver appears to be manufactured differently with two parts, making them a firearm and illegal sell, according to the ATF.

“We did ask the court to clarify if these things were firearms or not,” said Karras. “We did ask for protection as this gets resolved within the court system.”

Karras said they had their polymer lower receivers locked in a closet ready to turn over to the ATF since Wednesday. He was more concerned about the federal agents taking lists of his customers’ information.

“If anybody is a criminal organization that should be investigated, I think they should look in the mirror. We gave them a black eye publicly,” Karras said. “They tried to do an underhanded deal with us. They said, ‘Hey hush, hush. Keep it secret and nobody’s going to know that we took the customer list from you. Nobody’s going to know we took this from you.’”

The investigation has some customers nervous about their right to bear arms.

“I’m on that list, and I’m waiting for the knock on the door to tell me they are here to remove my second amendment rights,” one customer told Fox 5.

Acid Trip
03-19-2014, 04:25 PM
“I’m on that list, and I’m waiting for the knock on the door to tell me they are here to remove my second amendment rights,” one customer told Fox 5.

AKA "Come and TRY to take my guns you anti-American mofos!"

Loser
03-19-2014, 04:33 PM
Just throwing this out there. The owner had a restraining order and a federal judge's injunction barring the ATF from the shop until a march 20th hearing.

They violated both.

The attorney for the ATF, that one that told them it was ok to raid the shop anyways, said in a written statement that the "80%" lowers they raided the shop for did NOT constitute illegal firearms, because they are legally NOT considered firearms.

This is going to end in one hell of a lawsuit :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
03-19-2014, 04:38 PM
Good, Im fucking tired of these people infringing on our rights. This do whatever the fuck you want attitude coming all the way from the top

FBD
03-19-2014, 04:49 PM
:x sue these motherfuckers, make ATF into a convenient store that sells alcohol tobacco and firearms and disband this lawless federal agency.

Goofy
03-19-2014, 06:15 PM
You guys are funny :lol:

Loser
03-19-2014, 06:22 PM
Goof, tbh there's nothing funny about it.

A president acting like a dictator, breaking laws he's supposed to uphold.

Federal agencies violating constitutionally protected rights.

Police that abuse powers.

Sweeping surveilance of all citizens.

etc..

The list is endless. This country is no better then russia or nazi germany.

Teh One Who Knocks
03-19-2014, 06:26 PM
The list is endless. This country is no better then russia or nazi germany.

While I agree mostly, that's a bit melodramatic. I'm pretty sure that nobody in this country is being hauled off to the Gulag or forced into gas chambers en masse.

redred
03-19-2014, 06:37 PM
yes comparing what's going on here to hitler is over the top imo

Loser
03-19-2014, 06:39 PM
While I agree mostly, that's a bit melodramatic. I'm pretty sure that nobody in this country is being hauled off to the Gulag or forced into gas chambers en masse.

Are you saying that citizens of the US haven't been held without trial? In places like gitmo? :roll:

:lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-19-2014, 06:40 PM
Are you saying that citizens of the US haven't been held without trial? In places like gitmo? :roll:

:lol:

Yes, I'm sure there's 6 million of them or so there waiting to be executed :roll:

:lol:

FBD
03-19-2014, 06:45 PM
Are you saying that citizens of the US haven't been held without trial? In places like gitmo? :roll:

:lol:

or droned, or set up as terrorists, or kiddie porn'd, or suicided with a nailgun to the back of the head...

I hate to even say this, but it hasnt even gotten to 10% of its depth of bad yet.

Loser
03-19-2014, 06:48 PM
yes comparing what's going on here to hitler is over the top imo

Shall I point out the wars in iraq and afganistan? The most pointless wars that ever happened...



Yes, I'm sure there's 6 million of them or so there waiting to be executed :roll:

:lol:

6 million or 6. Does it matter? They're illegally detaining US citizens without due process.

But lets point to other policies. Like the failing war on drugs. How many people are in prison right now, for violating laws that our current asshat refuses to uphold?

Shouldn't those people be exhonerated?


Illegal searches of peoples homes, cars.

Illegal stop and frisk policies.

Yea...nothing wrong at all :lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
03-19-2014, 06:54 PM
6 million or 6. Does it matter? They're illegally detaining US citizens without due process.

But lets point to other policies. Like the failing war on drugs. How many people are in prison right now, for violating laws that our current asshat refuses to uphold?

Shouldn't those people be exhonerated?


Illegal searches of peoples homes, cars.

Illegal stop and frisk policies.

Yea...nothing wrong at all :lol:

Yes, getting 2 years for pot possession is EXACTLY the same as having your family rounded up and thrown into an oven :roll:

I have no idea how you guys have survived so long without being hauled away by the government.

Loser
03-19-2014, 07:36 PM
Yes, getting 2 years for pot possession is EXACTLY the same as having your family rounded up and thrown into an oven :roll:

I have no idea how you guys have survived so long without being hauled away by the government.

By knowing the law and not complying.

But let's change the topic a little here.

If someone you knew, family, friend, etc.. were illegally detained without due process, would you not be upset?

Pony
03-19-2014, 07:49 PM
Apparently the feds bullied the judge into reversing the restraining order right before the seizure. Makes the warrant legal.

FBD
03-19-2014, 08:07 PM
ah yes, government official sees result he does not like, makes a few calls, government gets what it wants.

:-k now whhhheeeeeeere have I seen that before...


about 600,000 times over...