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Teh One Who Knocks
03-26-2014, 11:14 AM
By Elise Solé, Shine Staff


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A Facebook update from a father frustrated with the Common Core math program at his son's school is making the Internet rounds after the father Jeff Severt expressed (via what looks like a kid's homework assignment) how convoluted the teaching approach is.

The worksheet posted to Facebook shows the elaborate Common Core (CC) formula for solving a math problem (as opposed to the simple strategy of subtracting the smaller number from the larger one). It instructs the student to explain why a fictional kid named "Jack" should be using common core strategies to solve the problem: “Jack used the number line below to solve 427 - 316. Find his error. Then write a letter to Jack telling him what he did right, and what he should do to fix his mistake.”

Severt's response reads, “Dear Jack, Don’t feel bad. I have a Bachelor of Science Degree in Electronics Engineering, which included extensive study in differential equations and other higher math applications. Even I cannot explain the Common Core mathematics approach, nor get the answer correct. In the real world, simplification is valued over complication. Therefore, 427 - 316 = 111. The answer is solved in under 5 seconds — 111. The process used is ridiculous and would result in termination if used. Sincerely, Frustrated Parent.”

The Facebook post (which by Tuesday had generated 4,400 likes, 4,300 shares, and 700 comments debating the issue) coincides with news that on Monday, Indiana became the first state to formally withdraw from the Common Core standards.

If you haven’t heard of the Common Core program, it’s an education initiative funded and developed by two Washington, D.C.-based trade organizations, the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO) and the National Governors Association (NGA). According to a story published Tuesday by the Washington Post, the program is not an official federal mandate, but it has become a hot-button issue among certain political groups that either support or oppose the idea.

The program aims to ensure that all children are equally prepared as they advance to the next level by dictating what exactly students in kindergarten through 12th grade should know in arts, language, and math by the time they complete each grade. The Common Core's website states that the program focuses on "developing the critical-thinking, problem-solving, and analytical skills students will need to be successful." Here is one example illustrated by U.S. News & World Report: Students mostly read material on par with their grade levels, not their reading ability. To help kids who are lacking comprehension, teachers use a technique called "close reading," focusing on one vocabulary word for the entire class. And thought-based questions, such as: “Why did the North fight the Civil War?,” would be swapped for fact-based ones, such as: “Who are the fathers [that Lincoln mentions]?” Other examples: Prioritizing nonfiction over literary fiction classics, and class discussions focused on evidence from the reading as opposed to creative thought.

Critics call the program a “one-size-fits-all” approach to learning that ignores cultural and individual differences. They also argue that not all students are ready to advance at the same time, that the CC’s teaching methods overly complicate basic subjects, and that the program limits teachers from freely shaping their curricula. Another complaint: The program doesn’t properly prepare students for the future — according to retired University of Arkansas Professor Sandra Stotsky, CC founder Professor Jason Zimba admitted in March 2010 at a Massachusetts Board of Elementary and Secondary Education meeting that being “prepared for college” meant being ready for a nonselective two-year community college, not a selective four-year institution.

In December, an outspoken mother testified at the Arkansas Board of Education that the Common Core program overcomplicated simple math problems. As an example, she gave the board a basic fourth-grade division problem which CC requires students to solve by using 108 steps. And in November, a Tennessee teen criticized Common Core during a school board meeting, saying, "Somewhere our Founding Fathers are turning in their graves — pleading, screaming, and trying to say to us that we teach to free minds." Videos of both speeches went viral.

According to the Associated Press, Indiana has pulled out of the Common Core program in exchange for new guidelines, on which the State Board of Education will vote next month. However, some say the new proposal is too similar to the Common Core. And while CC has been adopted by 45 states (now excluding Indiana), more than 200 bills were introduced in 2014 that would slow or stop its implementation or stop it. Oklahoma is one state considering banning the program.

In the meantime, parents like Severt will continue to struggle helping their kids with homework.

deebakes
03-26-2014, 12:50 PM
they are trying to teach my kids to do math in odd ways as well that don't really make sense to me and i thought i was somewhat intelligent. i have always taught my kids the old fashioned way that i learned, which always give the right answer and isn't that long :idk:

Muddy
03-26-2014, 01:02 PM
I think we use common core here in Va. I have a 14 year old struggling with Algebra.. I wonder if there is a correlation? She is very smart..

Muddy
03-26-2014, 01:05 PM
ACTUALLY I am wrong..

Alabama Adopted State school board voted to rescind the agreement that commits the state to adoption. However state standards are still aligned with Common Core standards.[62]
Alaska Non-member
Arizona Formally adopted
Arkansas Formally adopted
California Formally adopted
Colorado Formally adopted
Connecticut Formally adopted
Delaware Formally adopted
District of Columbia Formally adopted
Florida Formally adopted
Georgia Formally adopted
Hawaii Formally adopted
Idaho Formally adopted
Illinois Formally adopted
Indiana Formally withdrawn Implementation paused by law for one year in May 2013 and under public review,[63] formally withdrew in March 2014, but retained many of the standards.[64]
Iowa Formally adopted
Kansas Formally adopted Defunding legislation passed Senate, narrowly failed in House in July 2013.[65]
Kentucky Formally adopted
Louisiana Formally adopted Delayed Common Core accountability for two years in November 2013.[66]
Maine Formally adopted
Maryland Formally endorsed
Massachusetts Formally adopted Delayed Common Core testing for two years in November 2013.[67]
Michigan Formally adopted Implementation was paused for a time but was approved to continue.[68]
Minnesota Adopted English standards only, math standards rejected.
Mississippi Formally adopted
Missouri Formally adopted
Montana Formally adopted
Nebraska Not adopted [69]
Nevada Formally adopted
New Hampshire Formally adopted
New Jersey Formally adopted
New Mexico Formally adopted
New York Formally adopted Full implementation of assessment delayed until 2022.[70]
North Carolina Formally adopted
North Dakota Formally adopted
Ohio Formally adopted Legislation filed to bar adoption in House in November 2013.[71]
Oklahoma Formally adopted
Oregon Formally adopted
Pennsylvania Formally adopted Paused implementation in May 2013.[72]
Rhode Island Formally adopted
South Carolina Formally adopted
South Dakota Formally adopted
Tennessee Formally adopted
Texas Non-member
Utah Formally adopted
Vermont Formally adopted
Virginia Non-member [73]
Washington Formally adopted
West Virginia Formally adopted
Wisconsin Formally adopted
Wyoming Formally adopted

FBD
03-26-2014, 01:28 PM
I'm going to have my buddy's son counting by fuggin squares and cubes and have him doing calculus before he's 10. fuck this dumb shit, homeschool ftw.

PorkChopSandwiches
03-26-2014, 04:07 PM
Says CA adopted this, but I havent seen anything really out of the ordinary yet

Hikari Kisugi
03-26-2014, 04:59 PM
With that number line crap
are the kids actually being taught to divide by taking 100 away 3 times, the 10 away once, then 1 away six times, so the overall effect is taking away 316 using a number line?

Is that the purpose of the multi step approach, break it down in lots of steps, and generate a higher chance of human error along the way, rather than teach simple subtraction?

FBD
03-26-2014, 05:11 PM
yup, bad enough there's this inordinate focus on rote computation, hammering addition and long division into their heads by spending 6, 7 years doing this shit over and over and over again on paper...no wonder kids hate math.

/looks at design of curriculum

:-k
right, so this is by design...

Muddy
03-26-2014, 05:41 PM
Says CA adopted this, but I havent seen anything really out of the ordinary yet

Your kids are in private school, dippy.

PorkChopSandwiches
03-26-2014, 05:52 PM
Only one of them ;)

Muddy
03-26-2014, 06:23 PM
Only one of them ;)

:shock: blasphemer!!

Teh One Who Knocks
03-26-2014, 06:24 PM
Only one of them ;)

So you like one kid better than the other? :-k

PorkChopSandwiches
03-26-2014, 06:59 PM
So you like one kid better than the other? :-k

:tup:

Im not going to waste hard earned money to educate a girl so she can grow up to cook and do laundry

Noilly Pratt
03-26-2014, 07:16 PM
My kid is in a regular public school / Montessori hybrid and they use both approaches and see which approach works for each kid. It takes more initial work and evaluation, so says the teacher, but it means less work for all in the long run.

My daughter went from last in the class in math to being just slightly above average. We sent her last year to a thing called Kumon...DO NOT DO THIS! (unless your kid likes Groundhog day type repetitiveness.)

DemonGeminiX
03-26-2014, 07:21 PM
What the hell is that problem in the picture supposed to teach? How to use some sort of imaginary abacus?

Hugh_Janus
03-26-2014, 07:59 PM
what the fuck is going on there?

FBD
03-26-2014, 08:00 PM
its supposed to teach kids to hate math even more than the old worn out way does, this way kids will never have any concept of how much debt they're laden with

Hugh_Janus
03-26-2014, 08:04 PM
I liked maths in school.... don't think I would have if that's how I had to learn it, so I think their plan worked :lol:

deebakes
03-26-2014, 11:01 PM
:tup:

Im not going to waste hard earned money to educate a girl so she can grow up to cook and do laundry

:rofl:

you mother fucker, i have to clean my keyboard :lol:

Hal-9000
03-26-2014, 11:20 PM
:tup:

Im not going to waste hard earned money to educate a girl so she can grow up to cook and do laundry


quote of the week right there :lol: :thumbsup:

Hal-9000
03-26-2014, 11:24 PM
"...Then write a letter to Jack telling him what he did right"

wtf, are they training them to be teachers in the new world of pussification?

and regarding English or Language Arts..

"...and class discussions focused on evidence from the reading as opposed to creative thought"

Evidence derived from prose is necessary but opinion is part of creative thought and they're trying to squash that too?


[-( not agreeing..