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FBD
04-01-2014, 03:27 PM
Ok, so if http://www.ae911truth.org doesnt scream false flag enough for ya...

Try this one on for size, no pun intended...

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/Collateral-Damage-911-black_eagle_fund_trust.pdf

makes about 10,000 times more sense than "the official" "report"

sorry its long but there's a lot of history and shit in here.

yeah, how many people asked why the flight that hit the pentagon did a 270 flyaround to specifically hit the west side of it, when it was the north side (a straighter far easier and quicker shot) that housed "the most obvious targets for Al Quaeda."


It must be noted that the Office of Naval Intelligence in the Pentagon, which sustained a direct hit from an
airliner that day, was without a doubt, a target that was pinpointed for destruction. There are a number of
indicators that this was the case:
• The command centers of the US Armed forces and the Office of the Secretary of Defense are located on the
River and Mall, northern facing segments of the Pentagon.20 This is public information. Either of those
facades should have been the prime target for a well-planned attack. It needs to be remembered that the
individuals responsible for September 11 had almost three years to plan their assault. The targets and
methods were not haphazard.
• The western facing section of the Pentagon that was attacked had been under constructions for almost two
years, and would not have been considered as a target, unless it was targeted for a specific reason.
• The Naval Command Center had been moved into that newly opened section of the Pentagon a month
earlier21;
• The attacking aircraft went through great effort to hit the west side of the Pentagon, under either of
contentious scenarios, looping around the Pentagon by 270 degrees after approaching from the north east, or
looping 360 degrees with it’s approach from the West. Under either scenario, the additional looping created
an opportunity with extra flight time for defense systems to take out the attacking plane, and the hijackers
took a significant risk of being shot down by executing this maneuver. 22(See Figures 1 and 2)
• If one looks carefully at the Koeppel flight path approach seen in Figure 1, the attacking flight path went
almost directly over the Whitehouse, bypassing what should be considered a primary target, for a supposedly
empty section of the Pentagon. With the alternative approach presented by the National Transportation
Safety Board, the extra distance in the loop would have allowed it to hit either the White House or the
Capitol had it continued straightforward.
• Derek Vreeland who claimed to be an agent for Office of Naval Intelligence had predicted the attack several
weeks in advance23;


Did Flight 77 “pass” on three primary targets (the White House, the Capitol, and the command centers in the north
face of the Pentagon) in order to make a precision hit on what should have been known to be an empty segment of
the Pentagon? Did the pilot, described as having “extraordinary skill,” after years of planning, hit a worthless target?


World Trade Center

There were three major securities brokers in the World Trade Center: Cantor Fitzgerald, Eurobrokers and Garbon
Inter Capital. On the morning of September 11, Flight 11 hit the North Tower at 8:46 right below the floors on
which Cantor Fitzgerald was situated. Cantor Fitzgerald was the US largest securities dealer7 in the US and
arguably the primary target.8 Shortly after that, a massive explosion went off just under the FBI offices in the North
Tower on the 23rd floor, and Garbon Inter Capital on the 25th floor, and in the basement of Tower 1 as well. The
explosion caused the 22nd through 25th floors above to collapse into an inferno.9 Fires were reported on the 22nd floor
at 8:47.10 Shortly, thereafter, at 9:03, Flight 175 hit the South Tower right below the floors on which Euro Brokers
was situated. (See Chart on page 42.) In all three cases, the explosive, fiery destruction consumed the offices in the
several floors above. At 9:37 Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, targeting one of the few offices that had been moved in the
newly remodeled section of the Pentagon: the Office of Naval Intelligence.11 Agents of the Office of Naval
Intelligence had been investigating the financial transactions which in this report are linked to securities being
managed by those security dealers in the World Trade Center that were targeted. 12 Fortunately, most other agencies
had not yet been moved back into the targeted section of the Pentagon. 41% of the fatalities in the Twin Towers
came from two companies that managed U.S. government securities: Cantor Fitzgerald and Eurobrokers.13 31% of
the 125 fatalities in the Pentagon were from the Naval Command Center that housed the Office of Naval
Intelligence. 39 of 40 Office of Naval Intelligence employees died. In the vaults beneath the World Trade Center
Towers, any certificates for bonds were destroyed.14

Building 7 was evacuated somewhere between 9:00 and 9:30, depending on various claims. Fires and explosions
spontaneously began at multiple locations inside the building prior to the collapse of either Tower. This observation
is critical in that the official explanation for the fire is that they started when objects from the collapsing towers
caused the fires to ignite. Witnesses leaving the building claim to have seen fires already starting, and dead
bodies.15 The Building ultimately was destroyed in what many unofficial observers now believe was a controlled
demolition. Building Seven housed the following agencies critical to investigation of financial crimes related to this
history:

Export-Import Bank of the US Floor 6
US Secret Service Floors 9 & 10
Securities and Exchange Commission Floors 11,12 &13
Internal Revenue Service Floors 24 & 25
CIA Floor 25
Department of Defense Floor 25

“All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to
US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran -- the number three guy in that office. "We lost our network, we
lost all our computers, we lost all the equipment that we use as Secret Service Agents. Everything from machine
guns to our shotguns to our electronic equipment that we use." A lot of cases had to be closed as a result of
losing that building.”16(See note for additional references.)

In the midst of all this, Building 6 was destroyed by explosions from within, before being buried in the rubble of the
Towers.17 FEMA, the agency charged with investigating the disaster, did not collect any data on this building.
Building 6 was home to the U.S. Customs agency and the El Dorado Task force, an interagency money-laundering
group from 55 agencies created in 1992. The El Dorado Task force was responsible for coordinating all major
money-laundering investigations in the U.S. In the immediate aftermath of September 11, these groups would be
redirected to investigate terrorist financing.18 On the same day, the Securities and Exchange Commission declared a
national emergency and for the first time in U.S. history invoked its emergency powers under Securities Exchange
Act Section 12(k) and eased regulatory restrictions for clearing and settling security trades for the next 15 days.
These changes would allow an estimated $240 billion in covert government securities to be cleared upon maturity
without the standard regulatory controls around identification of ownership.19 (The manner in which this was
accomplished is explained later in the report.)

this whole thing even goes back and examines covert war-chest thievery going back to WWII, confiscation of Nazi gold and Japanese gold etc that was in the phillipines...and from what this report is saying, served as the beginning of this whole "secret war chest of funds that nobody knows about."



any of these banks look familiar?

By the end of the 1980s, the banks that had their agents in the OSS intelligence operations at the end of World War
II were the banks that would be the dominant global players by 2001.
• Morgan Guaranty Trust
• Chase Manhattan
• Citibank
• Jardine Matheson
• UBS
• Deutschebank
• HSBC

Reagan was a useful patsy to them and they didnt count on Hinckley failing


Unlike other presidential administrations, the Reagan administration was uniquely characterized by having the Vice
President - who at that time was George H.W. Bush – in control of Foreign Policy. That control was established in
an agreement between Bush and Reagan prior to their election.79 The agreement was later formalized with
Executive Order 12333.80 As William Casey’s biographer pointed out, Reagan “knew little about foreign policy and
cared less...” and as a result sharpies around the President took over and they ran him.”81

In November 1980, Ronald Reagan was elected to the White House on a slim margin of votes, defeating incumbent
Jimmy Carter. The few percentage points in votes which were responsible for giving Reagan and Bush the victory
were attributed to President Carter’s inability to rescue and free hostages being held in Iran.82 The failed rescue
attempt of the hostages was reported to be the responsibility of Oliver North, Richard Secord and Albert Hakim,
who planned and controlled the rescue operation. 83 In the meantime, it is reported that the release of the hostages
by Iran was deliberately delayed by negotiations led by George Bush, and David Kimche of the Israeli Mossad- the
Israeli equivalent of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, and Saudi businessman Adnan Khashoggi. For $40
million dollars, the Iranians would delay the release of the hostages until after the election.84 The men involved in
this operation, referred to in the chapters of history as “the October Surprise” were
• George HW Bush
• Adnan Khashoggi
• Oliver North
• David Kimche
• Bob Gates
• Richard Secord
• William Casey

Sixty-nine days after the Inauguration, John Hinkley attempted to assassinate President Reagan. Eight days prior to
that attempt, there were a series of unprecedented policy changes that put George Bush in charge of Foreign Policy
and National Security. On March 22, 1981, Bush took control of the "Emergency Crisis Management Staff," in a
Cabinet meeting. That role conferred new roles and powers on Bush, including "unprecedented powers for a vicepresident."
85 Vice President George Bush was named the leader of the United States ``crisis management '' staff, as a
part of the National Security Council system.86 Then, on March 30, 1981, eight days after these powers were
conferred on Bush, President Reagan was shot. On that day, there were actually two unsigned versions of National
Security Directive 1 (NSDD1), one which made Al Haig and another which made George Bush the caretaker of the
“red phone’ in case of National Emergency. The content of either version has never been released to the public.
Sixty nine days after the inauguration, the man whose operatives had bribed terrorists in violation of American
policy and law, the man whose close colleagues and advisors planned a failed rescue attempt which cost the lives of
US soldiers – all with the purpose of controlling the American Presidency, was now in control of US foreign
policy.

withholding significant data before an election...well jeez, color me shocked...

...so who's the guy that shot reagan...


The father of the assassin that put Bush in power was John (a.k.a. Jack) Hinckley, Sr., who was the owner of
Vanderbilt Oil. Hinckley had been giving maximum donations every year to George H.W. Bush since he started
running for Congress. “When the Hinckley oil company, Vanderbilt Oil started to fail in the 1960s, Bush, Sr.'s,
Zapata Oil financially bailed out Hinckley's company. Hinckley had been running an operation with six dead wells,
but he began making several million dollars a year after the Bush bailout.” John Hinckley, Sr., had also been
extensively involved in an executive position with U.S. Ministries for World Vision, a widely reported CIA front
operation. After the Jonestown Massacre, World Vision took over Jonestown. . In The Black Hole of Guyana: The
Untold Story of the Jonestown Massacre, John Judge painstakingly documents that Jonestown was a CIA operation
for converting dispossessed and lonely refugees into assassins. In an operation that was falling under Congressional
investigation, the evidence had to be eliminated – and nearly all the inhabitants were murdered to prevent
disclosure.

The assassin John Hinckley’s brother Scott Hinckley, and Neil Bush were not only friends, but had recently partied
together and were scheduled to have dinner with each other that very day. Also, on the very day John Hinckley
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attempted to kill Reagan, three Department of Energy auditors were pressuring Hinckley’s brother Scott, with a $2
million penalty. This penalty would later disappear.89 George H.W. Bush, with his new found ‘Emergency’ powers,
would deny Al Haig’s formal request for an investigation into the assassination attempt.



Fucking Tom Clancy novel indeed. The more you read about our government...
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wow, a lot of this is all about taking out the soviets. so much laundering in this article it isnt even funny. when the ruble had problems and the USSR collapsed, it appears to be the direct results of these covert operations....and anyone who didnt do what they were told and kept their mouths shut, was suicided.

PorkChopSandwiches
04-01-2014, 03:34 PM
yeah, how many people asked why the flight that hit the pentagon did a 270 flyaround to specifically hit the west side of it, when it was the north side (a straighter far easier and quicker shot) that housed "the most obvious targets for Al Quaeda."


Because that side wasnt under construction :)

FBD
05-13-2014, 05:06 PM
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/NC21Dj05.html


Among the reports about suspected insider trading which are mentioned in Crossing the Rubicon/From the Wilderness is a list that was published under the heading "Black Tuesday: The World's Largest Insider Trading Scam?" by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism on September 21, 2001:
Between September 6 and 7, the CBOE saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these "insiders" would have profited by almost $5 million.
On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance; again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent "insiders", they would represent a gain of about $4 million.
[The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]
No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.
Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co, which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley's share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million.
Merrill Lynch & Co, with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day (a 1200% increase). When trading resumed, Merrill's shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by "insiders", their profit would have been about $5.5 million.
European regulators are examining trades in Germany's Munich Re, Switzerland's Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster. (Note: AXA also owns more than 25% of American Airlines stock, making the attacks a "double whammy" for them.) [17]

Concerning the statements of the former chairman of the Deutsche Bundesbank Ernst Welteke, their tenor in various press reports put together is as follows:

German central bank president Ernst Welteke later reports that a study by his bank indicates, "There are ever clearer signs that there were activities on international financial markets that must have been carried out with the necessary expert knowledge," not only in shares of heavily affected industries such as airlines and insurance companies, but also in gold and oil. [Daily Telegraph, 9/23/2001] His researchers have found "almost irrefutable proof of insider trading". [Miami Herald, 9/24/2001] "If you look at movements in markets before and after the attack, it makes your brow furrow. But it is extremely difficult to really verify it." Nevertheless, he believes that "in one or the other case it will be possible to pinpoint the source". [Fox News, 9/22/2001] Welteke reports "a fundamentally inexplicable rise" in oil prices before the attacks [Miami Herald, 9/24/2001] and then a further rise of 13 percent the day after the attacks. Gold rises nonstop for days after the attacks. [Daily Telegraph, 9/23/2001] [18]

FBD
05-21-2014, 04:16 PM
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6384/6dld.png

Lambchop
05-21-2014, 04:40 PM
Yeah I'd say that the official report only serves as an insult to American architecture.

FBD
05-21-2014, 04:51 PM
its just like if you go read the okc report on the murrow building, no fkn way it was done without explosives and even the military's general on the shit said there was no way in hell the truck bomb did all that.

all "official" means these days is "sterilized of all useful information, therefore fit for public consumption."

PorkChopSandwiches
05-21-2014, 04:54 PM
So what law did they pass to strip us of our rights after OKC, I dont recall but Im sure it was a scare tactic for something

FBD
05-21-2014, 05:20 PM
just financial coverups iirc. but look at how much worse finance was okc vs 911. a lot more got hidden and disappeared for 911.

kinda makes you wonder if they still would have performed 911 if gore got elected. I dont think that would have changed their minds at all. (TPTB, not the patsies that made sure the remote control was uninterrupted for the ride.)

PorkChopSandwiches
05-22-2014, 12:57 AM
Interesting

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/

FBD
05-22-2014, 02:14 PM
:-k

Lambchop
05-22-2014, 02:56 PM
Tony Blair is trying hard to censor over 100 communications he had with Bush during the fiasco, as there is still an inquiry underway in the UK. Official word from the White House is that a certain and pivotal communication between Bush and Blair has just gone missing. teehee

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/white-house-lawyers-unable-to-find-critical-iraq-letter-from-tony-blair-telling-george-bush-im-with-you-whatever-9391787.html

PorkChopSandwiches
05-22-2014, 03:18 PM
:-k

To far fetched?

FBD
05-22-2014, 04:04 PM
he should have hired sandy berger

FBD
05-22-2014, 04:15 PM
To far fetched?

no, but...asserting same or similar was used in London didnt strike me as believable. Nor Japan, is this guy trying to say Fukushima had an explosion-assist? Its stuff like that which casts bad light on the rest of the more 'sensible' stuff that has to do with 911....nothing that has to do with 911 really looks "wrong" as it were, that explanation seems possible but the spire sounds...well, not right also. And its rather annoying that "editor's note, this is fully confirmed" has no links, every time he writes it. But the shady nuke stuff does generally fit in with the dark side of israel.

FBD
06-02-2014, 07:50 PM
I'm curious how you fuse newspaper together with steel, and leave the newpaper intact and readable :-k

daggaz
06-17-2014, 12:40 PM
So my organic chemistry teacher was Professor Niels Harris, co-author of the nano-thermite paper. He was the best teacher I have ever had and easily one of the most popular professors in the entire science department. He got put on 'early retirement leave due to budget considerations' about a month after his paper went public. Go figure.

FBD
06-17-2014, 01:01 PM
:molten metal:

FBD
07-03-2014, 06:31 PM
I never understood the conspiracy theory rationale for directed energy weapons, haarp, etc...

and then I saw that cat 4 hurricane erin, bigger than katrina, headed straight for NYC....and take a 90 degree turn way out (20%? 1/4 way?) in the atlantic in the 8 hours of the towers getting hit and falling.

what the fuck makes a cat 4 hurricane turn 90 degrees in just a couple hours' time?

PorkChopSandwiches
07-16-2014, 06:01 PM
In March Benswann.com reported that Reps. Thomas Massie (R-KY), Walter Jones (R-NC), and Stephen F. Lynch (D-MA), along with families who lost loved ones on Sept. 11, 2001, urged the president to declassify 28 pages from the 9/11 congressional investigation report, providing more information to the general public.



On Friday Rep. Massie commented on his Facebook page after giving a press conference:

“Before we involve ourselves in #Iraq, Congressmen and their constituents need to know more about the events leading up to 9/11. Understanding what enabled this tragedy to occur is fundamental to drafting a strategy for the Middle East.

That’s why I joined families of 9/11 victims and Congressman Walter Jones and Congressman Stephen Lynch at a press conference to promote the release of 28 classified pages from an official 9/11 report. Based on my reading of the documents, I am confident that making these 28 pages public would not damage our national security.”

During a press conference Rep Massie said, “As I read it, and we all had our own experience, I had to stop every couple of pages and just sort of try to absorb and try to rearrange my understanding of history. “It challenges you to re-think everything. I think the whole country needs to go through that.”



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItE28oeMnas

FBD
07-16-2014, 08:39 PM
sorry mr massie, but when preserving the status quo becomes a matter of "national security," you can pretty well bet on that we're all pretty well fucked.

I'm sure that 28 pages isnt going to reveal anything TOO mind blowing, it will be a :roll: yeah, we already pretty much KNEW THAT, thanks assholes...

(well, except for all those people out there that found themselves able to believe the commission report...)

FBD
07-21-2014, 05:18 PM
Go ahead and watch...and just try to assert "office fires" brought 7 down. Its a laughable conclusion. I understand the heart based desire to not want to be on the totally wrong side of a situation....but 7 completely betrays the involvement of the government in this. Elevator shaft work in the late 90s...it was all set up years in advance.

Buildings simply do NOT fall like this unless it is a controlled demolition...I have never seen anyone get even close to being able to come up with any other rational conclusion.

If your eyes are only on 1, 2 & pentagon, you miss the whole gleaming spectacular government failure...all because of a handful of dead heroes on flight 93, that single event embedded in this was the lynchpin of the whole uncovering of the operation - if 93 had hit 7 and it went down...I dont know that I would have been able to believe the government was involved. It is literally a smoking barrett .50 of a gunbarrel...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw


In controlled demolitions....where milliseconds matter on fuse timings in order that the building collapses the correct way...

and the big thing that no substantial pieces of 1 or 2 hit #7...(the red lines are where the pieces of steel fell from the structures of 1 & 2)

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/fig_1_7c.jpg

The towers collapsed straight down.
Discounting demolition, they followed the path of most resistance.

Achieving symmetric collapse -- an engineering feat -- is the objective of controlled demolition.

FBD
07-21-2014, 10:25 PM
Oh, so THAT'S what's in those 28 pages.....


http://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-911-documents-implausible-that-the-911-hijackers-acted-without-government-backing/5391830

All of the Chairs of the 9/11 Commission and the Congressional Investigation Into 9/11 Say It’s “Implausible” that the 9/11 Hijackers Acted Without Government Backing

although I dont think they specifically say WHICH government(s)...the size and scope of the operation...

"Indeed, Graham – along with 9/11 Commissioner and former Senator Bob Kerrey – said in sworn declarations that the Saudi government is linked to the 9/11 attacks. "

............
Senator Graham, are there elements in this report, which are classified that Americans should know about but can’t?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: Yes … I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States.

I am stunned that we have not done a better job of pursuing that to determine if other terrorists received similar support and, even more important, if the infrastructure of a foreign government assisting terrorists still exists for the current generation of terrorists who are here planning the next plots.

To me that is an extremely significant issue and most of that information is classified, I think overly-classified. I believe the American people should know the extent of the challenge that we face in terms of foreign government involvement. That would motivate the government to take action.

[Question]: Are you suggesting that you are convinced that there was a state sponsor behind 9/11?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing — although that was part of it — by a sovereign foreign government and that we have been derelict in our duty to track that down, make the further case, or find the evidence that would indicate that that is not true and we can look for other reasons why the terrorists were able to function so effectively in the United States.

[Question]: Do you think that will ever become public, which countries you’re talking about?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: It will become public at some point when it’s turned over to the archives, but that’s 20 or 30 years from now. And, we need to have this information now because it’s relevant to the threat that the people of the United States are facing today.
-------------------------

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/02/top-counter-terrorism-experts-question-911.html

"“The best I could say about it is they really botched the job by not really going into the real failures. … At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous.”"


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/08/bush-and-clinton-counter-terrorism-czar-alleges-massive-911-cover-up.html

PorkChopSandwiches
09-17-2014, 02:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nQrpLp-X0ws

PorkChopSandwiches
09-17-2014, 02:33 AM
Batman video bombing :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
09-17-2014, 04:33 PM
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/15785_10154644690220193_8002242186753629331_n.png? oh=84498ea9631b850782074669cc68a6a4&oe=54C6C026

FBD
09-18-2014, 08:12 PM
hehehe

Remember NIST's utter bullshit explanation that thermite could not have been used to take down 1, 2, 7, because..um....it wouldnt work? And their "proof" was basically putting 400 pounds of thermite in a bag on top of a car , lighting it, and the roof melted a bit - see? Thermite couldnt have taken down the towers, lol....

how misleading was THAT...channel that fire and you have something else entirely...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kscTVnEcPMk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g



Its still utterly laughable that the commission report was so badly stumped to explain building 7.....that....they just didnt even bother including its demolition in the commission report.

FBD
09-22-2014, 07:35 PM
on the heels of "SEC Pays Unknown Foreign Whistleblower Record $30 Million Award"....looking back....here's more on why 7 was the main target







http://www.wanttoknow.info/010917nylawyerwallstreetsecfiles


SEC & EEOC:
Attack Delays Investigations

By Margaret Cronin Fisk
National Law Journal
September 17, 2001

Additional details emerged Friday about the effect of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center on investigations being conducted by the New York offices of the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, both of which were housed in the building.

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom.

The EEOC said documents from about 45 active cases were missing and could not be easily retrieved from any backup system. One of these cases was a sexual harassment charge filed on Sept. 10 against Morgan Stanley, one of the prime corporate victims of the World Trade Center disaster.

A statement from the commission said that "we are confident that we will not lose any significant investigation or case as a result of the loss of our building in New York. No one whom we have sued or whose conduct we have been investigating should doubt our resolve to continue our pursuit of justice in every such matters."

But the short-term problems will be immense, said Gregory Joseph of New York's Law Offices of Gregory Joseph.

"Court papers can largely be reconstituted, but work product has to be reconstructed," he said. "This will cause delays in court and will require significant reduplication of effort." Some data, he added, "won't be recreatable."

"Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."

"The SEC will have some difficulty, but the bounce-back will come relatively easily," predicts Harvey Goldschmid, Dwight professor of law at Columbia University and former general counsel of the SEC. "It will throw things off for a period of time, but most of what's important can be regained. They will have to reconstruct these documents. But most of this was backed up or in Washington. They've lost some transcripts but even they're available."




EEOC Records Destroyed



The EEOC's New York office, which was housed in 7 World Trade Center, sustained no loss of life. But all the agency's records were destroyed.

Many of the files are backed up in the computer system, but a substantial number of documents are simply gone, said Spencer Lewis, the EEOC district director. Depositions and notes were not scanned into computers and are lost. With depositions and interviews, the agency will be contacting court reporters "and hoping that they've got them so we can reconstruct files," Lewis said. This covers about 45 active cases, including a recent action against Morgan Stanley.

But employment litigators believe the effect here, too, will be transitory.

"The EEOC is decimated as far as office space goes," but any problems are "only short-term," said Michael Weber of the New York office of Littler Mendelson. "They will get back to business." The agencies will be seeking documents from the private law firms and defendants, Weber notes. "My sense is that we will cooperate," he noted. "Our goal is not to take advantage of this catastrophe."

"A lot of their records they'll have online, so they'll just reprint them out," adds Harkins. "The EEOC is in a better position than the SEC, because the SEC has a lot more confidential files."

Hal-9000
09-22-2014, 07:56 PM
Here's an interesting picture of the WTC towers internal structures...

http://i.imgur.com/dHcszt4.jpg


The initial impact of a 767 combined with the body and fuel weight of the aircraft, dropped the tower. The plane didn't hit and then continue out the other side...all of the inertial weight went into the side of the building and close to 8000 lbs of jet fuel ignited.


Since we can't rebuild the towers, age them 28 years and then slam an aircraft into the side, I'm convinced this was not an engineered demolition. It was a structural collapse based on impact force, fuel and office debris burning and additional weight added to an already damaged structure :thumbsup:

FBD
09-22-2014, 08:53 PM
The second plane, easily saw parts of it fly out the other side, an engine included. This was not some flat surface the plane hit, it was kinda like flying a chicken at 170mph into chicken wire as opposed to flat surface impact. All of the inertial weight did not go directly into the side of either building - and even if it splatted like a pancake, that would have done jack shit to the central core.

If it was so hot, why were people standing in the holes, looking down. Most of the jet fuel burned up in the fireball on impact. That aside, it doesnt explain the molten pools of steel that glowed for weeks in the basement after they dropped em. Add up all those joules and it aint. even. close. Not all the friction, not even if you magically transported all that jet fuel to the basement.

Do you recall that a design spec/goal of these towers was specifically to be able to withstand what happened on 9/11?

Until you have (at least somewhat) thoroughly read the architects and engineers for 911 site... you cracka lackin on engineering details. :razz:

FBD
09-24-2014, 01:39 PM
This one's also a little tough to get around - the antenna dropping before the rest of the building.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuYXEXSDPs0

how does that happen if the core isnt taken out?

how does that happen if the point of collapse is asymmetrical in any way?

you have seen what the core looks like, and only an even takedown of the entire core would produce this phenomena of the antenna falling before the outlying parts of the roof. ;)

redred
09-24-2014, 01:45 PM
guess the only way to prove it would be to build 2 more towers and crash a plane into them , even then no 2 crash's will ever be the same

FBD
09-24-2014, 01:50 PM
:razz: the only way to try and simulate it would be to build it again.

proving it just requires an honest examination of evidence ;)

that's like saying in order to prove mr jones killed mr brown, we need to take mr pink here and shoot him in the same way to see if the damage is the same, instead of examining the sucking chest wound that mr brown has and doing ballistics analysis on the shrapnel found inside and matching it to mr jones' gun.

you cant say "well we cant kill mr pink, so therefore we cant ever ask if mr jones killed mr brown."

FBD
10-25-2014, 05:56 PM
the capability was established before the crime

"piloted from a remote and secure location"

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/techreviews/2001/10/2/remote-pilot.htm

FBD
10-25-2014, 06:00 PM
this is an orange :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

PorkChopSandwiches
05-12-2015, 01:43 AM
FBI went beyond 9/11 Cover-Up to “Aggressive Deception”

http://truthinmedia.com/sen-bob-graham-says-fbi-went-beyond-911-cover-up-to-aggressive-deception/

Goofy
01-07-2016, 06:50 PM
http://i.imgur.com/4pGhthe.jpg

Teh One Who Knocks
01-07-2016, 07:02 PM
I miss FBD :(

Goofy
01-07-2016, 07:08 PM
I miss FBD :(

Should get down the range more often then mate :thumbsup:

Fodster
02-03-2016, 06:19 AM
Where Osama bin Laden got inspiration for 9/11

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/where-osama-bin-laden-got-inspiration-for-911/news-story/0f9a732cc632c139b67a4e4d63552b97?utm_content=Socia lFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/366f585d7ac90bda816634b5091ea853

FBD
08-04-2020, 12:37 PM
Some new footage released that hasnt been seen before

https://twitter.com/l33tguy/status/1290574484475273216?s=21
https://youtu.be/vQxsvTIfMII

Half hour or so long, they get impact #2 but not on screen at that moment - but you can hear the rush of the plane approach (even though a lot of other people are saying you cant...well, none of them have ever been to an airshow, I'll bet)....the position of the filming is on the opposite side of the WTCs from the impacts, so you hear barely a half second of plane-rush before a double bang about half second apart that is impact and explosion. Should be enough to sink dumbasses that dont believe there were planes :lol:

content warning in that they get few jumpers on screen

lost in melb.
08-06-2020, 07:25 PM
Didn't see or hear second plane :obama:

FBD
08-06-2020, 07:41 PM
Have you ever been to an airshow and had a plane fly over you at 500mph,and you can hear a quick rush as it approaches? I've been to a bunch, and it sounded close enough to me, accounting for the fact that the plane approached from the opposite side of the building that the camera was. I'm not being poke-ey, I'm just saying, if you know more precisely of what the sound should be...but there's not really good ways to say that which dont sound pugilistic, esp in ascii

lost in melb.
08-07-2020, 02:29 AM
Yeah, but audio can be added, doctored in. Visual confirmation needed :nono:

KevinD
08-07-2020, 02:57 AM
I dunno why folks say planes didnt hit WTC. I was watching it live when the second plane hit. CGI wasn't that good then. Go watch an action movie from 2001. I'll wait.


I will admit to not truly believing a passenger plane hit the Pentagon...something never looked right with those vids and pictures.

FBD
08-07-2020, 12:22 PM
Pentagon most likely something club k ish

FBD
08-18-2020, 08:33 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/52cZz3fB/911drills.jpg

FBD
08-18-2020, 08:36 PM
oldie but goodie

https://i.postimg.cc/rmKkjw3x/911-asbestos.jpg

FBD
08-18-2020, 09:14 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/nhWrtNx4/bld7-evidence.jpg

lost in melb.
08-19-2020, 02:41 AM
oldie but goodie

https://i.postimg.cc/rmKkjw3x/911-asbestos.jpg

Hilarious!

FBD
08-19-2020, 02:48 PM
Hilarious!

You know that's a real advertisement, right?

And its another reason jet fuel cant melt asbestos coated steel beams, and an asbestos impregnated floor isnt going to sag, making the whole fakestory that much more laughable :lol:

There's the reasons for all the 911 cancer, shit tons of asbestos.

Muddy
08-19-2020, 02:54 PM
You know that's a real advertisement, right?

And its another reason jet fuel cant melt asbestos coated steel beams, and an asbestos impregnated floor isnt going to sag, making the whole fakestory that much more laughable :lol:

There's the reasons for all the 911 cancer, shit tons of asbestos.

My wifes mother died from a hard-core cancer she picked up while volunteering at ground zero. I don't think it was asbestos related though.

FBD
08-19-2020, 04:23 PM
My wifes mother died from a hard-core cancer she picked up while volunteering at ground zero. I don't think it was asbestos related though.

I never really looked to see if there were any other cancers associated with it outside of mesothelioma

lost in melb.
08-21-2020, 07:22 AM
My wifes mother died from a hard-core cancer she picked up while volunteering at ground zero. I don't think it was asbestos related though.

Thanks for sharing. That's just awful!

FBD
09-11-2020, 12:35 PM
Reminder that NIST's steel tests buried in the appendix only reached a maximum temp of 470F, less than 1.5th of the way to melting point, where steel still has about 93% of its tensile strength.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/consp2.png

FBD
09-11-2020, 01:21 PM
https://i.imgur.com/J3IbxqZ.jpg

FBD
09-11-2020, 01:24 PM
https://i.imgur.com/heu6KbC.png

FBD
09-11-2020, 01:26 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Vd65nCv.jpg

FBD
09-11-2020, 01:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GiUiHm3oAM

FBD
09-11-2020, 01:45 PM
https://i.imgur.com/HEXQPef.jpg

FBD
09-11-2020, 01:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YhJcl0PO3U

In 2001, Barry Jennings was the Deputy Director of Emergency Services for the New York City Housing Authority. After being called to World Trade Center Building 7 to help coordinate the emergency response on the morning of 9/11, he was trapped in the building for hours by a series of explosions that—according to the official government conspiracy theory—never happened. This is his story.

FBD
09-11-2020, 04:24 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Vd65nCv.jpg

and when you want to consider how narrow the spaces in the box columns were

its how you know the E-Team's job was to punch that wiley coyote hole for the plane

https://i.imgur.com/HxTFbuo.jpg

FBD
09-11-2020, 06:04 PM
vbookie it, Trump & crew prosecute 911 for real by the end of Trump's second term :dance:

trumptroll.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/w1897v7.jpg

FBD
09-25-2020, 01:25 PM
Also in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, this report notes, US Marine General John Kelly formed an alliance with who is considered to be the most effective US military intelligence official in modern times, US Army General Michael Flynn—with both of them painstakingly rebuilding the entire US Naval Intelligence organization in their attempt to uncover the true facts of this monstrous crime against America and its people.

In a classic “follow the money” intelligence operation, this report details, General’s Kelly and Flynn began to uncover the massive corruption that had led the US Navy to becoming part of the 9/11 plot in the first place—but who were fiercely being fought by both the Bush and Obama regimes every step of the way—so much so that they then had to turn away from the US military and get aid from “loyal to their cause” FBI forces—all of whom were based in California, not Washington D.C..

Being aided by these FBI forces in California, this report continues, General’s Kelly and Flynn (who were supported by loyal US military intelligence officials too) were able to secure a guilty plea from a lower-level 9/11 coup plotter, and US Naval Intelligence officer, named John Beliveau, on 17 December 2013—but with Beliveau being kept hidden from the Obama regime for nearly 3 years, until 14 October 2016, when he was brought into a US Federal Court and sentenced for his crimes.

From the “seed” of US Naval Intelligence officer John Beliveau, this report continues, General’s Kelly and Flynn were able to begin “growing the tree” to destroy this vile nest of 9/11 attack accomplices (now called the “Fat Leonard Scandal”)—and that greatly accelerated under the leadership of President Trump with his ordering, this past June, the first charges to be filed against these monsters under US military law—and who just hours ago, too, began targeting over 440 US Navy officials, including 60 of Americas 221 Navy Admirals.

it will be glorious, trust and believe

FBD
11-15-2023, 02:52 PM
gotta respect Jimmy Dore, willing to go where no leftist dares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd81iN_km1g


https://i.imgur.com/CNgOE7j.jpg