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Teh One Who Knocks
04-03-2014, 11:56 AM
Huffington Post UK | By Sara C Nelson


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Atheists are being defined as terrorists under a raft of new Saudi Arabian laws, a report from Human Rights Watch states.

The new laws are accompanied by a series of related royal decrees which appear to criminalise virtually all dissident thought or expression as terrorism.

“Saudi authorities have never tolerated criticism of their policies, but these recent laws and regulations turn almost any critical expression or independent association into crimes of terrorism,” said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East and North Africa director at HRW.

Regulations from the Interior Ministry cite “terrorism” provisions to include: “Calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based.”

Those who swear allegiance to any party, organisation, current of thought, group or individual inside or outside the kingdom are also included in the provisions. The Muslim Brotherhood and various Al Qaeda factions are also among those on the list.

The new laws have largely been brought in to combat the growing number of citizens travelling to Syria to take part in the civil war, the Independent writes.

The legislation will address those who return with newfound training and ideas about overthrowing the monarchy.

Participation via forms of audio, written, visual media, social media, websites are all included in the definition.

Blogging for Al-Bab, Brian Whitaker writes that while the new laws might seem bizarre, "in Saudi terms it does have a certain logic. Since the entire system of government is based on Wahhabi interpretations of Islam, non-believers are assumed to be enemies of the Saudi state."

He also cites a 2012 WIN/Gallup International poll which found that almost a quarter of people interviewed in Saudi Arabia described themselves as "not religious" and of those, five per cent declared themselves to be atheists.

Whitaker adds: "Extrapolating that figure on a national scale suggests there around 1.4million atheist terrorists living in Saudi Arabia."

HRW describes the laws as having “serious flaws, including vague and overly broad provisions that allow authorities to criminalise free expression, and the creation of excessive police powers without judicial oversight.”

While the law cites violence as an essential element only in reference to attacks carried out against Saudis outside the kingdom or aboard Saudi transportation carriers, crucially it states that inside its borders, “terrorism” can be non-violent.

It can consist of “any act” intended to, among other things, to “insult the reputation of the state”, “harm public order”, or shake the security of society” – none of which the law clearly defines.

Stork added: “These regulations dash any hope that King Abdullah intends to open a space for peaceful dissent or independent groups.”

The HRW report concludes: “Provisions of Saudi Arabia’s new terrorism regulations that deny any ability to exercise basic rights of peaceful assembly, association and expression greatly exceed any notion of justifiable restrictions.”

PorkChopSandwiches
04-03-2014, 04:35 PM
:dance:

Hal-9000
04-03-2014, 05:14 PM
"Since the entire system of government is based on Wahhabi interpretations of Islam, non-believers are assumed to be enemies of the Saudi state."

separation of church and state will never happen over there....

you ain't Muslim, you're dirt no matter what you believe in

FBD
04-03-2014, 05:28 PM
and dont forget kiddies, this is the government we most vehemently support over there...

Loser
04-03-2014, 06:14 PM
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PorkChopSandwiches
04-03-2014, 06:14 PM
And they hit us with 9-11

Hal-9000
04-03-2014, 06:26 PM
Muslim buddies here read this shit and actually get angry...you should hear their comments

I've been invited to a Sikh celebration and a Muslim Mosque for temple by these same dudes. I'm going to go to both because that's how I perceive religion...you ain't worshiping my guy but all are welcome here..






just gotta remember to take my 5 inch heels off before entering the Muslim church :lol:

Muddy
04-03-2014, 07:05 PM
Muslim buddies here read this shit and actually get angry...you should hear their comments

I've been invited to a Sikh celebration and a Muslim Mosque for temple by these same dudes. I'm going to go to both because that's how I perceive religion...you ain't worshiping my guy but all are welcome here..






just gotta remember to take my 5 inch heels off before entering the Muslim church :lol:

Sikhs arent Muslim.

Hal-9000
04-03-2014, 07:08 PM
Sikhs arent Muslim.


:lol:

yes I know...two separate events

Muddy
04-03-2014, 07:11 PM
Thats cool.. I dont mind Sikhs at all, they are actually nice people..

Hal-9000
04-03-2014, 07:18 PM
yeah the story talks about a government using a religious doctrine to impose laws...

my post illustrates that while some people share the same religion, they practice different values

you know that I'm the whitest of white guys..and all of my coworkers know that I'm Christian to the core..

so it was cool to be invited to these events and welcomed, even knowing I'm one of the evil infidels :thumbsup:

Sikh visit - I must leave all smoking related items outside of the temple, then I come in, wash my hands and face in a basin, they will supply me with a cloth (turban) and I think I gotta remove my shoes at the Sikh place too :-k

Muddy
04-03-2014, 08:05 PM
my post illustrates that while some people share the same religion, they practice different values



Yeah but Sikhs arent Muslim.. What do you mean 'share the same religion?' Sikhism is its own religion based in India.

Hal-9000
04-03-2014, 08:53 PM
Yeah but Sikhs arent Muslim.. What do you mean 'share the same religion?' Sikhism is its own religion based in India.

the people in the story are Muslim in terms of religion...two of my coworkers are Muslim, one Sikh, two Hindis and one Christian (all brown)

I think you're misunderstanding...I never said Sikhs are Muslim or vice versa...and dude, I live in this world I do know the difference in the two religions :lol:

I mentioned the Sikhs because I think it's cool that I was invited to their celebration...along with a different invite to a Muslim temple service...

some people associate Sikhs with daggers/violence/bigotry towards other religions...I'm just saying they don't do that either...

Spyker
04-03-2014, 09:56 PM
you know, you read about how hard it is on westerners here but it isnt THAT bad.

I've only been in slight trouble twice for the way i dress. oh and one time my friend got arrested because his passport was in the car.


what am i saying...i need a beer

Hal-9000
04-03-2014, 10:10 PM
you know, you read about how hard it is on westerners here but it isnt THAT bad.

I've only been in slight trouble twice for the way i dress. oh and one time my friend got arrested because his passport was in the car.


what am i saying...i need a beer




where are you right now Cpt Nutsack?

DemonGeminiX
04-03-2014, 10:17 PM
:dance:

We should change your user title to "Terrorist in Saudi Arabia"

Spyker
04-03-2014, 10:23 PM
Hal, I currently find myself in Al Jubail, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia.

Hal-9000
04-03-2014, 10:25 PM
You must have an exciting job making big money to get shipped there Spyk :thumbsup: I'm impressed

PorkChopSandwiches
04-03-2014, 11:57 PM
We should change your user title to "Terrorist in Saudi Arabia"

:twisted:

DemonGeminiX
04-04-2014, 12:39 AM
:lol:

Spyker
04-04-2014, 08:53 AM
You must have an exciting job making big money to get shipped there Spyk :thumbsup: I'm impressed

big money? yes

Exciting? No

I am currently engaged here for my experience in environmental remediation. Having no real concern for the environment i dont get to do much. i'm rotating home soon tho and i have a few interviews lined up. i also applied for a job at space X, that would be a cool job