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Teh One Who Knocks
07-25-2014, 01:34 PM
The Associated Press


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LONG BEACH, Calif. – An 80-year-old man who came home to find two burglars said he shot and killed one of them despite her pleas that she was pregnant, but it's the woman's alleged accomplice who has been arrested on suspicion of murder, police said.

Police said they would present their case to prosecutors Friday but were still deciding whether to recommend charges against Tom Greer, who told a television station he shot the woman in the back as she fled from his house.

"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant — I'm going to have a baby,' and I shot her anyway," Greer told KNBC-TV outside his house.

Long Beach police Chief Jim McDonnell said at a news conference Thursday that the woman, 28-year-old Andrea Miller, did not appear to be pregnant, but a planned autopsy would determine whether she was.

However, the surviving suspect, Gus Adams, 26, has been arrested on suspicion of residential burglary and murder, McDonnell said. The murder charge is possible because he is accused of being involved in a felony that led to a death, the chief said. He was being held on bail just over $1 million, and police did not know if he had hired an attorney.

Both Miller and Adams, who had histories of similar crimes, were unarmed, McDonnell said.

Greer had been burglarized three times before and believed the same suspects were responsible.

He returned home shortly after 9 p.m. Tuesday to find the pair in his home. Both suspects attacked him, hitting him with their fists and ultimately "body slamming" him to the floor, breaking his collar bone, McDonnell said.

Miller continued to hit him, McDonnell said, while Adams moved to a safe and begin trying to pry it open.

The homeowner was able to get to another room where he grabbed a gun and returned to open fire on the suspects. They fled through the garage and into an alley, and Greer gave chase, firing at them again outside, McDonnell said.

Miller was hit, collapsed in the alley and died at the scene, McDonnell said.

"The lady didn't run as fast as the man, so I shot her in the back twice," Greer told the TV station. "She's dead ... but he got away."

McDonnell would not say whether Miller was shot in the back as Greer said. He also declined to say how many shots were fired and whether either of the suspects was hit inside the house before fleeing.

No phone listing was available for Greer and he could not be reached for comment by The Associated Press.

It will be up to the district attorney to decide whether to charge Greer with a crime, the chief said. Under California law, homeowners can defend themselves if they are in "imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death," he said.

Prosecutors will have to determine whether chasing after the suspects and firing on them outside the home goes beyond self-defense, McDonnell said.

perrhaps
07-25-2014, 02:49 PM
Sentence him to community service in Chicago, where he can teach marksmanship to the Homeys.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-25-2014, 03:00 PM
Did the guy cross the line on this one? From the accounts in the story, probably. But I've said it before and I'll say it again....100% of the people that don't break into other people's houses don't get shot by said homeowners.

Teh One Who Knocks
07-28-2014, 11:31 AM
FOX News and The Associated Press


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An autopsy Friday found that a burglary suspect who was killed by an 80-year-old California homeowner was not pregnant, despite claiming to be before the fatal shots were fired.

Long Beach resident Tom Greer said that the burglar had said she was pregnant and asked him not to fire, but he shot her twice in the back anyway.

The autopsy later showed that Andrea Miller, 28, was not pregnant, coroner's spokesman Ed Winter said.

Prosecutors were waiting Friday for the results of the police investigation. Greer said he shot Miller twice as she fled his home and ran down an alley.

Miller's alleged accomplice, Gus Adams, is facing murder, burglary, robbery and weapons charges. He was being held on bail of more than $1 million.

The murder charge is possible because Adams is accused of participating in a felcony that led to a death, Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said.

Police said Friday that Adams' mother, Ruby Adams, also was involved and was arrested Thursday night on suspicion of robbery. Authorities gave no details on her alleged role or the evidence against her.

McDonnell said the homeowner came home around 9 p.m. Tuesday and surprised Adams and Miller, who were trying to break into a safe. They assaulted him, breaking his collarbone, before he was able to get a handgun, the chief said.

Police said he fired shots inside and outside his house.

Under California law, homeowners have a right to protect themselves with deadly force inside their homes and in the immediate vicinity — such as a patio — if they feel they are in imminent danger of great bodily injury or death, said Lawrence Rosenthal, a former federal prosecutor who teaches law at Chapman University.

But this case enters a gray area because Greer, by his own account, chased the burglars and fired at them outside his home as they were fleeing, Rosenthal said.

"The problem here is that all this happens very fast and his legal right to use force probably ended just a few seconds before he did use deadly force," Rosenthal said. "So the question is should you charge somebody on the basis of what really was a series of split-second decisions when he's just been robbed and physically assaulted?"

McDonnell declined to say how many shots were fired or to confirm that Miller was shot in the back.

No phone listing was available for Greer and he could not be reached for comment by The Associated Press.

deebakes
07-29-2014, 12:45 AM
he should shoot her then for lying :shrug:

PorkChopSandwiches
07-29-2014, 12:55 AM
Fuck her

Hal-9000
07-29-2014, 04:10 AM
she looks like a man....it was a good shoot