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Teh One Who Knocks
07-29-2014, 11:37 AM
By Joseph Menn


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Personal data including text messages, contact lists and photos can be extracted from iPhones through previously unpublicized techniques by Apple Inc employees, the company acknowledged this week.

The same techniques to circumvent backup encryption could be used by law enforcement or others with access to the "trusted" computers to which the devices have been connected, according to the security expert who prompted Apple's admission.

In a conference presentation this week, researcher Jonathan Zdziarski showed how the services take a surprising amount of data for what Apple now says are diagnostic services meant to help engineers.

Users are not notified that the services are running and cannot disable them, Zdziarski said. There is no way for iPhone users to know what computers have previously been granted trusted status via the backup process or block future connections.

“There’s no way to `unpair' except to wipe your phone,” he said in a video demonstration he posted Friday showing what he could extract from an unlocked phone through a trusted computer.

As word spread about Zdziarski’s initial presentation at the Hackers on Planet Earth conference, some cited it as evidence of Apple collaboration with the National Security Agency.

Apple denied creating any “back doors” for intelligence agencies.

“We have designed iOS so that its diagnostic functions do not compromise user privacy and security, but still provides needed information to enterprise IT departments, developers and Apple for troubleshooting technical issues,” Apple said. “A user must have unlocked their device and agreed to trust another computer before that computer is able to access this limited diagnostic data.”

But Apple also posted its first descriptions of the tools on its own website, and Zdziarski and others who spoke with the company said they expected it to make at least some changes to the programs in the future.

Zdziarski said he did not believe that the services were aimed at spies. But he said that they extracted much more information than was needed, with too little disclosure.

Security industry analyst Rich Mogull said Zdziarski’s work was overhyped but technically accurate.

“They are collecting more than they should be, and the only way to get it is to compromise security,” said Mogull, chief executive officer of Securosis.

Mogull also agreed with Zdziarski that since the tools exist, law enforcement will use them in cases where the desktop computers of targeted individuals can be confiscated, hacked or reached via their employers.

“They’ll take advantage of every legal tool that they have and maybe more,” Mogull said of government investigators.

Asked if Apple had used the tools to fulfill law enforcement requests, Apple did not immediately respond.

For all the attention to the previously unknown tools and other occasional bugs, Apple’s phones are widely considered more secure than those using Google Inc's rival Android operating system, in part because Google does not have the power to send software fixes directly to those devices.

FBD
07-29-2014, 01:37 PM
denied "creating" any :rofl:

ohhh, that's such a good one!

I think they are trying to find the asymptote of the word LIE.

"creating" and "handing the keys over to an existing back door" are technically not the same thing - but functionally, you bet your ass they are exactly that. the same fuggin thing.

:hand: nice try apple, sitting there with the NSA's dick in your mouth and you appear to be wide eyed incredulous like you didnt know there was a dick in your mouth.

PorkChopSandwiches
07-29-2014, 03:10 PM
oh boy

Hal-9000
07-29-2014, 07:44 PM
ok educate me

if a person has an iPhone they need an Itunes or iwhatever account online, correct? To sync, download and manipulate data on the phone...

So isn't the iphone account itself vulnerable?

Griffin
07-30-2014, 01:27 AM
On a totally different tech note...

My wife dropped her Ipod Touch 4th gen last year breaking the screen.
I researched, studied the how to videos and eventually ordered a replacement screen on amazon. If you haven't seen this operation it is worth a google.

While reassembling I tested the screen during several steps being aware that I might encounter the dreaded white screen (which I did) but had the fore knowledge on how to reset system. After the final step there was no power to anything.

For 4 months this POS sat on my desk. No telling how many times I tried to reboot, recharge, hook to different USB ports with different cables...nothing.

Today my wife plugs it in for the hell of it and the bastard turns on.

I think apple controls these gizmos from their office.