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Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2014, 11:01 AM
By Chelsea J. Carter, Ben Brumfield and Jacque Wilson, CNN


(CNN) -- The fear began just after news broke Thursday that a long-range business jet with an isolation pod left the United States for Liberia, where it will evacuate two Americans infected with Ebola.

Twitter exploded with questions about the deadly virus, which according to the World Health Organization is believed to have killed hundreds in four West African nations. And with reaction to news that two infected Americans would soon be on their way back to the United States.

"Why are they doing this?" Robin Hunter asked in a post on Twitter.

While U.S. officials have remained mum on the issue, a source told CNN that a medical charter flight left from Cartersville, Georgia, on Thursday evening.

A CNN crew saw the plane depart shortly after 5 p.m. ET. The plane matched the description provided by the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

It was not immediately known when the two Americans -- identified by the source as Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol -- would arrive in the United States, or where the plane would land.

At least one of the two will be taken to a hospital at Emory University, near the headquarters of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, hospital officials told CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

The patient will be cared for in an isolation unit at the hospital that is separate from patient areas, Gupta said.

With the return of Brantly and Writebol to the United States, it will be the first time that patients diagnosed with Ebola will be known to be in the country.

Brantly and Writebol are described as being in stable-but-grave conditions, with both reportedly taking a turn for the worse overnight, according to statements released Thursday by the faith-based charity Samaritan's Purse.

No known cure

There is no known cure or vaccine for Ebola, which the World Health Organization says is believed to have infected 1,323 people in Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria between March and July 27.

Of those suspected cases, it is believed to have been fatal in at least 729 cases, according to the health organization.

In the United States, the National Institutes of Health announced it will begin testing an experimental Ebola vaccine in people as early as September.

The federal agency has been working on the vaccine over the last few years and says they've seen positive results when they tested it on primates.

The NIH announcement came the same day as the CDC issued a Level 3 alert for Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, warning against any nonessential travel to the region.

As of now, the outbreak has been confined to West Africa. But it could spread via travel, especially since people who have Ebola may not know it; symptoms usually manifest two to 21 days.

The symptoms include fever, headaches, weakness and vomiting, and at an advanced stage there is internal and external bleeding.

The Eboloa outbreak is believed to be the worst in history, and even in a best-case scenario, it could take three to six months to stem the epidemic in West Africa, Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the CDC, told reporters on Thursday.

Writebol gets 'experimental serum'

Both Brantly, a 33-year-old who last lived in Texas, and Writebol were caring for Ebola patients in Liberia.

An experimental serum was administered to Writebol this week. Only one dose of the serum was available, and Brantly asked that it be given to his colleague, said Franklin Graham, president of Samaritan's Purse.

Samaritan's Purse said it did not have any additional detail about the serum.

At the same time, Brantly received a unit of blood from a 14-year-old boy who survived Ebola, the statement said. Brantly had treated the teen, it said.

It was not immediately clear what doctors hoped the blood transfusion would do for Brantly.

While blood transfusions have been tried before, Frieden told reporters no one really knows why some people survive and some don't.

There have been questions about the the health of Brantly's wife and his children, who left for Texas prior to his diagnosis.

In a statement released Thursday, Amber Brantly said she and her children "are physically fine."

"We had left Liberia prior to Kent's exposure to the virus," she said. "I am always anxiously awaiting any news from Liberia regarding Kent's condition."

Meanwhile, Writebol's husband, David, who like his wife is with Samaritan's Purse, is near her, said their son Jeremy, who spoke with CNN's Chris Cuomo from the United States.

But she is isolated from him, and he has to wear head-to-toe protective clothing similar to a hazmat suit so that he does not contract a disease that starts out with similar symptoms as a strong flu but can end in internal bleeding and death.

"Mom continues in stable condition but it's very serious, and she's still fighting," her son said. "She's weak, but she's working through it."
American doctor battling Ebola

Liberian Information Minister Lewis Brown said his country could ill afford to lose health care workers like Writebol and Brantly.

"We join the families in prayers that they can come through this and become ... shining examples that, if care is taken, one can come out of this."

Another physician in West Africa was not so fortunate; Dr. Sheik Humarr Khan fell ill early last week while overseeing Ebola treatment at a Sierra Leone hospital and died days later.

Rate of infection

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The rate of infection has slowed in Guinea, but it has increased in neighboring Sierra Leone and Liberia.

As infection accelerates, some aid groups are pulling out to protect their own.

Samaritan's Purse and the missionary group Serving in Mission have recalled all nonessential personnel from Liberia.

The Peace Corps announced Wednesday it is doing the same, removing its 340 volunteers from the three severely affected nations.

While there are no confirmed cases, a Peace Corps spokeswoman said two volunteers came into contact with someone who ended up dying from the virus.

Those Americans haven't shown signs of Ebola but are being isolated just in case. The spokeswoman said they can't return home until they get medical clearance.

Meanwhile, Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Sierra Leone's President Ernest Koroma both canceled trips to the United States, and Koroma declared a state of emergency. Koroma announced an action plan to tear down many barriers that international medical workers say they face while fighting disease.

Sirleaf said on CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper" that the country is in desperate need of people with expertise in treating and dealing with Ebola.

Some residents in affected villages have accused medical workers of bringing the disease into the country and have barricaded their towns or otherwise blocked access to Ebola victims.

Koroma said he will deploy police and military to accompany the aid workers.

They will search house to house for the infirm and enforce orders designed to curb the virus' spread.

American dies in Nigeria

One American, 40-year-old Patrick Sawyer, died in a Nigerian hospital earlier this month -- having come from Liberia. He was in a plane to Lagos, when he became violently ill. He was planning to go back home to Minnesota to celebrate his daughters' birthdays, but the disease took his life before he could.

The Nigerian government said Thursday it has located 10 more people who had contact with Sawyer, the first American who died in the Ebola outbreak. Meanwhile, none of the 67 people under surveillance and the two people in quarantine have shown symptoms of the disease, Nigerian Minister of Information Labaran Maku said.

A naturalized American citizen who worked in Liberia, Sawyer flew to Nigeria intending to attend a conference.

After exhibiting symptoms upon arrival July 20, he was hospitalized and died on July 25.

Nigeria's Minister of Health Onyebuchi Chukwu says the government is still searching for more people that had contact with Sawyer on his journey on a plane that stopped in Accra, Ghana and Lome, Togo, before traveling on to Lagos.

FBD
08-01-2014, 12:41 PM
well, we cant have an ebola epidemic here in the US unless we get some folks that have it...

:population control:

Muddy
08-01-2014, 02:25 PM
Maybe they can find a simple cure If they can study it.. This shits real.

lost in melb.
08-01-2014, 02:28 PM
It's a third world country disease

Muddy
08-01-2014, 02:28 PM
It's a third world country disease

Until someone brings it through times square.

lost in melb.
08-01-2014, 02:32 PM
Nothing would happen. It's spread though contact with animal /human fluids.

Muddy
08-01-2014, 02:33 PM
Nothing would happen. It's spread though contact with animal /human fluids.

Do you work for the CDC or something?

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2014, 02:35 PM
Nothing would happen. It's spread though contact with animal /human fluids.

Recent research

In late 2012, Canadian scientists discovered that the deadliest form of the virus could be transmitted by air between species. They managed to prove that the virus was transmitted from pigs to monkeys without any direct contact between them, leading to fears that airborne transmission could be contributing to the wider spread of the disease in parts of Africa. Evidence was also found that pigs might be one of the reservoir hosts for the virus; the fruit bat has long been considered as the reservoir. A 2013 study isolated antibodies from fruit bats in Bangladesh, against Ebola Zaire and Reston viruses, thus identifying potential virus hosts and signs of the filoviruses in Asia.

lost in melb.
08-01-2014, 02:40 PM
Interesting Lance. Whilst speculative, that is a worry!


Do you work for the CDC or something?

No, no...more of a brain/mind man. I was curious why it's only ever in africa and did a bit of research

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2014, 02:47 PM
Interesting Lance. Whilst speculative, that is a worry!

And even if it isn't airborne between humans (yet), that wouldn't matter if someone accidentally or unknowingly became infected with the virus in a city the size of Atlanta (population of 5.522 million) and home to the busies airport in the entire world (94 million passengers traveled thru Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport in 2013). This could be a potential disaster waiting to happen and this thing could spread exponentially before it was discovered and contained. Incubation time for Ebola can be as quick as 2 days but it can also be as long as 21 days. Someone sick with the virus could spread it quite far and wide in 21 days.

FBD
08-01-2014, 03:43 PM
If the worst Ebola outbreak in recorded history reaches the United States, federal law permits "the apprehension and examination of any individual reasonably believed to be infected with a communicable disease". These individuals can be "detained for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary". In other words, the federal government already has the authority to round people up against their will, take them to detention facilities and hold them there for as long as they feel it is "reasonably necessary".

In addition, as you will read about below, the federal government has the authority "to separate and restrict the movement of well persons who may have been exposed to a communicable disease to see if they become ill". If you want to look at these laws in the broadest sense, they pretty much give the federal government the power to do almost anything that they want with us in the event of a major pandemic. Of course such a scenario probably would not be called "martial law", but it would probably feel a lot like it.

If Ebola comes to America and starts spreading, one of the first things that would happen would be for the CDC to issue "a federal isolation or quarantine order". The following is what the CDC website says about what could happen under such an order...


Isolation and quarantine are public health practices used to stop or limit the spread of disease.



Isolation is used to separate ill persons who have a communicable disease from those who are healthy. Isolation restricts the movement of ill persons to help stop the spread of certain diseases. For example, hospitals use isolation for patients with infectious tuberculosis.



Quarantine is used to separate and restrict the movement of well persons who may have been exposed to a communicable disease to see if they become ill. These people may have been exposed to a disease and do not know it, or they may have the disease but do not show symptoms. Quarantine can also help limit the spread of communicable disease.



Isolation and quarantine are used to protect the public by preventing exposure to infected persons or to persons who may be infected.



In addition to serving as medical functions, isolation and quarantine also are “police power” functions, derived from the right of the state to take action affecting individuals for the benefit of society.

"Isolation" would not be a voluntary thing. The federal government would start hunting down anyone that they "reasonably believed to be infected with a communicable disease" and taking them to the facilities where other patients were being held. It wouldn't matter if you were entirely convinced that you were 100% healthy. If the government wanted to take you in, you would have no rights in that situation. In fact, federal law would allow the government to detain you "for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary".

And once you got locked up with all of the other Ebola patients, there would be a pretty good chance that you would end up getting the disease and dying anyway. The current Ebola outbreak has a 55 percent percent mortality rate, and experts tell us that the mortality rate for Ebola can be as high as 90 percent.




Well, medical authorities tell us that it can be spread through the blood, urine, saliva, stools and semen of a person or animal that already has Ebola.

If you are exposed to the disease, the incubation period can be from anywhere from two days up to 21 days. But the average is usually about eight to ten days.

In other words, you can be spreading it around for over a week before you even know that you have it.

There is no vaccine for Ebola and there is no cure.

Not everyone dies from the virus, but most people do.

Needless to say, this is about the last disease that you want to catch. And the doctors that are treating Ebola patients in Africa are going to extreme lengths to keep from getting it...




To minimise the risk of infection they have to wear thick rubber boots that come up to their knees, an impermeable body suit, gloves, a face mask, a hood and goggles to ensure no air at all can touch their skin.



Dr Spencer, 27, and her colleagues lose up to five litres of sweat during a shift treating victims and have to spend two hours rehydrating afterwards.



They are only allowed to work for between four and six weeks in the field because the conditions are so gruelling.



At their camp they go through multiple decontaminations which includes spraying chlorine on their shoes


But despite all of those extraordinary measures, multiple doctors have already gotten sick.
For example, one of the doctors leading the fight against Ebola, Dr. Sheik Humarr Khan, died on Tuesday...
And two American doctors that went over to Africa to help fight the disease are now battling for their own lives...

This is not like other Ebola outbreaks.

Something seems different this time.

But instead of trying to keep things isolated to a few areas, global health authorities are going to start sending Ebola patients to other parts of the globe. For example, one German hospital has already agreed to start receiving Ebola patients...


A German hospital has agreed to treat Ebola patients amid widespread fears of a possible outbreak of the deadly disease in Europe. Over 670 people have already been killed by the disease in West Africa with doctors struggling to control the epidemic.



A German hospital in Hamburg agreed to accept patients following a request from the World Health Organization (WHO), Deutsche Welle reports. Doctors assure that the utmost precautions will be taken to make sure the disease does not spread during treatment. The patients will be kept in an isolation ward behind several airlocks, and doctors and nurses will wear body suits with their own oxygen supplies that will be burned every three hours.

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If they let this out... :willie:

FBD
08-01-2014, 05:01 PM
http://www.myfoxny.com/story/26170612/drill-in-new-york-city


I dont even want to say it and draw the vector

Goofy
08-01-2014, 05:07 PM
You're all gonna die? :shock:

:rip:

FBD
08-01-2014, 05:25 PM
some to germany, some here...what the fuck for? this disease you fuggin sweat it out and hope you live...so yeah, let's bring them over to a new entirely unaffected population, that makes GREAT sense.

if you want to cull the herd, maybe..

DemonGeminiX
08-01-2014, 06:15 PM
Because they'll die if they stay in Africa. They don't have sophisticated medical procedures and facilities in Africa like we do here. The only reason Ebola is so deadly is because they don't have that sophistication that we have here. Like lost said, it's a 3rd world disease. If they have the proper care that's available here, they'll survive. And although it's possible, it'll be improbable that the disease will spread while under the strict medical guidelines that we have here. That and it can be studied better at our facilities...




... so we can weaponize it and dump it on the Middle East. :d

Muddy
08-01-2014, 06:47 PM
:lol:

Teh One Who Knocks
08-01-2014, 08:23 PM
Because they'll die if they stay in Africa. They don't have sophisticated medical procedures and facilities in Africa like we do here. The only reason Ebola is so deadly is because they don't have that sophistication that we have here. Like lost said, it's a 3rd world disease. If they have the proper care that's available here, they'll survive. And although it's possible, it'll be improbable that the disease will spread while under the strict medical guidelines that we have here. That and it can be studied better at our facilities...




... so we can weaponize it and dump it on the Middle East. :d

What do the medical facilities have to do with it? There's no vaccine/cure, all you can do is hope you don't die while it runs its course :-k

Hal-9000
08-02-2014, 05:29 AM
It melts your organs and makes your eyes bleed....of course we made it and just need to weaponize it now. They could introduce it into the air with little more than crop dusters and within a month an entire small country would be nothing more than human waste and ebola-slop. That way, we get to keep all of the buildings and resources :thumbsup:

Loser
08-02-2014, 06:04 AM
Only about 50% of those infected go into the advanced stages. If you can keep it in check enough to not let it get to that, you survive. That's where the advanced medical care comes in.

Once it hits the advanced stages of infection, it has an 80% mortality rate. Even with proper care.

FBD
08-02-2014, 04:00 PM
what makes it get to its advanced stages, how does one prevent that if one contracts it?

Loser
08-03-2014, 12:49 AM
what makes it get to its advanced stages, how does one prevent that if one contracts it?

Lack of advanced medical care.

Once it hits hemorrhagic phase, you're pretty much fucked.