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Goofy
09-10-2014, 02:34 PM
The three main UK political parties - Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dems - have pledged to fast-track a deal on new tax and welfare powers for the Scottish Parliament. It came after a poll at the weekend suggested support for independence was at more than 50%.

David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband have endorsed a speeded-up timetable for enhanced powers but what would those powers be?

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On the day after a No vote (19 September) the pro-union parties have vowed to get cracking with drawing up the package of new powers.

Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who has been a driving force behind the new plan, said a "command paper" would be published by the present UK government setting out all the proposals by the end of October.

A white paper would be drawn up by the end of November after a period of consultation setting out the proposed powers.

A draft new law would be published by Burns Night next year (25 January) ready for the House of Commons to vote on.

However, with the Westminster General Election coming along in May 2015, the legislation would not be passed until the new parliament began.

Better Together leader Alistair Darling was asked what would happen if UKIP held the balance of power at Westminster after the general election?

He replied that in "their wildest dreams" UKIP would only get a few seats. Mr Darling said the parties who would have the vast majority of the seats had "guaranteed" that the new powers would be enacted.

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So what would the new powers be?

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In short, we don't know exactly. The Scottish Parliament is currently funded through a block grant and the amount it gets is defined by the Barnett Formula.

All three parties set out proposals earlier this year that would see changes to the way Scotland raises revenues.

They are all offering considerably more income tax-raising powers than the Scottish Parliament has at present.

And there is also the potential devolution of control over housing benefit, the work programme and other taxes, including air passenger duty or capital gains tax.

Labour's package arguably offers the least change.

It wants Holyrood to control 15p in the pound on income tax as well as all housing benefits and attendance allowance.

This would allow MSPs to scrap the UK government's controversial under occupancy charge, branded the "bedroom tax" by Labour and other critics.

The Tories and Lib Dems want to give Scotland total control over all Scottish income tax rates, as well as other taxes including air passenger duty.

Oil would continue to be managed at a UK level, as would welfare and pensions, defence and foreign affairs.

Corporation tax, paid by businesses, would not be devolved by any of the parties.

The plans would go further than 2012's Scotland Act, which is already scheduled to be implemented in 2016, giving Holyrood the power to vary income tax by 10p.

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Is this Devo Max?

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In the years running up to the referendum campaign the Devo Max option - the devolving of all powers to Holyrood other than defence and foreign affairs - was often shown to be favoured by more people than both outright independence and no change to the status quo.

However, following the negotiations that took place between the UK government and the Scottish government to lay down the referendum rules, the Devo Max option was not included on the ballot.

Instead, on 18 September the people of Scotland will be asked a Yes/No question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?"

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond said of the last-minute fast-track offer of more powers: "George Osborne and David Cameron, their one red line issue in setting up this referendum was not to allow Devo Max on the ballot paper, so to actually produce something which is far short of that, which is weak and insipid and has already been discounted by the Scottish people, is a sign of the total disintegration of the No campaign."

Goofy
09-10-2014, 02:36 PM
They really are sooooooo frightened to lose us :lol: Strange how they only reveal all this AFTER the YES campaign goes ahead in the polls :lol: "Please vote NO, we'll give you all you want...... honest we will" :lmao:

Teh One Who Knocks
09-10-2014, 02:36 PM
What are you guys gonna do for a currency if the Yes vote wins? Sounds like England won't let you keep using the Pound

Goofy
09-10-2014, 02:41 PM
What are you guys gonna do for a currency if the Yes vote wins? Sounds like England won't let you keep using the Pound

Why would they stop us? It'll hurt them just as much as it would us......... Darling admitted it himself earlier this year. All smoke and mirrors :thumbsup:

Goofy
09-10-2014, 02:41 PM
I think we should have our own currency though and call it the Quid :tup:

Teh One Who Knocks
09-10-2014, 02:45 PM
Why would they stop us? It'll hurt them just as much as it would us......... Darling admitted it himself earlier this year. All smoke and mirrors :thumbsup:

He's swearing now that Scotland won't get to use the Pound.

Goofy
09-10-2014, 02:55 PM
He's swearing now that Scotland won't get to use the Pound.

That's because they're losing the vote now :tup: Politicians are all lying bastards anyway but the truth is it will be better for the remaining members of the UK if we do keep the pound in some guise. Pulling out all the stops to keep us now......... shameful :lol: Don't know why they're so bothered, from what i've read the vast majority of English/Welsh folk will be happy to get rid of the moaning bastards from up north :lol:



Alex Salmond

Westminster cannot stop Scotland using the pound if it were to split from the rest of the UK, says Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond.

Scotland's Government insists it will keep the pound in a formal currency union with the remainder of the UK - despite it being ruled out by all UK parties.

The SNP is coming under sustained pressure to reveal what its "Plan B" on currency would be.

The Scottish Government's Fiscal Commission proposed a range of alternatives to using the pound - including a new independent currency, joining the euro and the informal use the pound using a process called "sterlingisation".

But Mr Salmond has told Sky News: "The other Westminster parties can't stop Scotland using the pound, using sterling.

"What they could do is deny us access to the Bank of England, to the financial assets of the country.

"The reason they won't do that of course is that if they took all the assets they would end up with all the liabilities - that's all the ginormous debt that the likes of George Osborne and Alistair Darling built up and they aren't going to do that because that would be the equivalent of giving every Scot a present of a thousand pounds a year."

Roughly translated, they stop us using the pound then we start anew with ZERO DEBT :cheers:

Goofy
09-10-2014, 02:59 PM
Personally i think it will end up better for us if they do stop us using the pound, a debt free country with vast oil reserves (amongst many other things like renewable energy in which we're at the forefront) - we'd have a massive head start on any other country that's ever gained independence previously :tup:

Teh One Who Knocks
09-10-2014, 03:08 PM
England will go to war with you over the oil :nono:

Goofy
09-10-2014, 03:49 PM
England will go to war with you over the oil :nono:

Then you guys will bomb them :tup:

redred
09-10-2014, 03:56 PM
why would you want the pound when it's controlled by the bank of england ???

and the oil companies have already said they will move offices to england as it will be easier to deal from there

the worry with this is that neither side knows all the answers and yet the vote go's on

Goofy
09-10-2014, 04:09 PM
the worry with this is that neither side knows all the answers and yet the vote go's on

The truest statement i've read about the vote :tup: