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Teh One Who Knocks
09-18-2014, 12:26 PM
By Stephen Ceasar - The Los Angeles Times


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Los Angeles Unified school police officials said Tuesday that the department will relinquish some of the military weaponry it acquired through a federal program that furnishes local law enforcement with surplus equipment. The move comes as education and civil rights groups have called on the U.S. Department of Defense to halt the practice for schools.

The Los Angeles School Police Department, which serves the nation's second-largest school system, will return three grenade launchers but intends to keep 61 rifles and a Mine Resistant Ambush Protected armored vehicle it received through the program.

L.A. Unified is one of at least 22 school systems in eight states that participate in the program, which provides law enforcement agencies with the extra military-grade gear at no charge.

The program gained notoriety and received sharp criticism after recent unrest in Ferguson, Mo., in which local police deployed armored vehicles, wore body armor and carried assault rifles while attempting to quell protests after the shooting death of a black 18-year-old by a white police officer.

More than $5 billion in surplus military equipment has been distributed to law enforcement agencies nationwide, including school police, since 1997.

School police departments have increased their presence and force in recent years, particularly after the 2012 massacre in Newtown, Conn., in which a gunman killed 26 people — 20 of them children — at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

The shooting spurred debate nationwide over whether armed school guards could prevent mass shootings. In California, at least half a dozen school districts allow campus officers to carry high-powered rifles.

School officials argue the guns and other equipment are needed to prevent potential tragedies.

In a letter to the Department of Defense's logistics agency, a coalition of education and civil rights groups said the presence of weapons on campuses will only intensify existing tensions at schools and exacerbate punitive atmospheres that criminalize and stigmatize students of color.

Deborah Fowler, deputy director of Texas Appleseed, a social justice nonprofit, said in a statement that other more common weapons used by officers and security guards, such as Tasers and pepper spray, have been misused in schools. Much of this excessive force is targeted at students of color and those with disabilities, she said.

"Military-grade weapons have no place on our public school campuses," Fowler said. "We're simply calling for a return to common sense when it comes to the way our schools are kept safe," she said.

L.A. Unified says that the M-16 automatic rifles, which were modified to semiautomatic since they were acquired in 2001, are "essential life-saving items" and will continue to be available to trained officers. The armored vehicle will be used only under extraordinary circumstances, officials said.

The Baldwin Park Unified School District Police Department received three of the rifles.

The Oakland School Police Department received a "tactical utility truck," according to the state. The department remodeled the vehicle, which is used as an attraction at school events and parades, Sgt. Barhin Bhatt said.

"It's a rolling public relations vehicle," Bhatt said. "We end up having to bring out a gas can and jumper cables every time we want to drive it — it's only used twice a year."

The department has no plans to acquire any high-powered weapons, Bhatt said.

In Stockton, the school police department was given less-controversial equipment — including a podium, an exercise bike and a pair of televisions.

But the desire to have the tools to adequately protect the public is shared by all law enforcement — especially school police, said Stockton school police Chief Bryon Gustafson. His department has about a dozen AR-15 semiautomatic rifles for its officers that were purchased outside the federal program.

"The job of police officers and the standards are the same whether you are Stockton police or Stockton school police … even if we have very different missions," Gustafson said. "My job is about facilitating education and making sure that students are safe at school."

The program can be a boon for cash-strapped departments that can arm themselves with lifesaving equipment at no cost.

"You hope you never need that kind of equipment," said, adding that the department has purchased about a dozen semi-automatic rifles. "But if you do and you don't have it — it's a shame."

Muddy
09-18-2014, 04:03 PM
They need an armored vehicle in that gang-ridden town..

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 04:15 PM
Bullshit, that last thing this country needs is militarized police.

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 04:16 PM
And its school police, not even regular police. WTF

Muddy
09-18-2014, 04:24 PM
Bullshit, that last thing this country needs is militarized police.

You're right.. Only the public needs to be militarized.. The police should only have the right to counter an idiot walking into a Chipotle with an AK-47 assault rifle with a tazer...

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 04:34 PM
You don't find this extreme, and are on board with it?

Muddy
09-18-2014, 04:37 PM
It depends on what they are going to use the vehicle for... If one day a school is taken hostage but gangs, radicals, or whoever is doing the deed. This may be a very valuable tool.. I doubt Mrs Mcreery the in school suspension teacher is getting this with her school supplies this year.

Hal-9000
09-18-2014, 04:40 PM
I'm with Muddy....some yahoo walks in with an automatic weapon I would want to be driving that thing/front seat when chasing the douchebag :thumbsup:

Hal-9000
09-18-2014, 04:40 PM
and it can be dual purpose - lunch wagon for the kiddies :cheers:

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 04:42 PM
It depends on what they are going to use the vehicle for... If one day a school is taken hostage but gangs, radicals, or whoever is doing the deed. This may be a very valuable tool.. I doubt Mrs Mcreery the in school suspension teacher is getting this with her school supplies this year.

Let you fear dictate, and they will take advantage

Muddy
09-18-2014, 04:42 PM
People forget that being a cop is a JOB for these guys... They just want to go home at the end of the days when their shift is over...

Muddy
09-18-2014, 04:43 PM
Let you fear dictate, and they will take advantage

Lets see how you feel when your kids school is in lockdown and your kid is texting you pictures of the teacher barricading the doors shut...

Hal-9000
09-18-2014, 04:45 PM
Let you fear dictate, and they will take advantage

coming from someone who thinks that every citizen should be armed at the age of 12....because of what??????



:lol: can't have it both ways mon frere

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 04:50 PM
Lets see how you feel when your kids school is in lockdown and your kid is texting you pictures of the teacher barricading the doors shut...

And this shit will help how? The whole goal is to militarize the police against the citizens, not to protect sally from a school shooting


coming from someone who thinks that every citizen should be armed at the age of 12....because of what??????

:lol: can't have it both ways mon frere
You are the most anti gun person here, but if its the cops you're ok arming them with military weapons. We aren't the enemy, we dont need military in our streets to protect us.

Hal-9000
09-18-2014, 05:48 PM
I love guns, don't be silly....nothing like a good scope and elevated position to make the stress go away...:thumbsup:


My point was valid - you're saying no to that vehicle using a comment about not letting fear dictate....and what's the reasoning/excuse I hear from folks here (you too) about the need to have a personal sidearm or two? That's right...fear. It may be fear of a different nature but anyway you slice it, it still comes up peanuts :tup:

I ain't slamming your reasoning for protection at home, why can't this thought carry over to a school environment where real shitty things have gone down?

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 05:50 PM
Just arm all students and teachers and we wont need the cops

Hal-9000
09-18-2014, 05:51 PM
I need you to help me understand the difference :sad2:


having a gun is ok at home but you don't want the schools to have protection, is that it?

I really don't know...

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 05:58 PM
Im actually fine with them being armed, but militarized is a whole different story. Thats the kind of shit they do slowly "to protect the children" then use that new force against the community.

Hal-9000
09-18-2014, 06:00 PM
ahh-so

I see the point now, thanks :thumbsup:

Muddy
09-18-2014, 06:14 PM
Just arm all students and teachers and we wont need the cops

Im sure this is just sarcasm so I wont respond.. :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 06:32 PM
:dance:

KevinD
09-18-2014, 07:19 PM
I want an invite to the garage sale.....:lol: :machinegun:

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 08:06 PM
http://i.imgur.com/xk7f74t.jpg

Hugh_Janus
09-18-2014, 08:58 PM
fucking grenade launchers.... what the shit?

PorkChopSandwiches
09-18-2014, 09:00 PM
They need to protect the children

Acid Trip
09-18-2014, 10:18 PM
fucking grenade launchers.... what the shit?

My thoughts exactly.

Hal-9000
09-18-2014, 10:39 PM
them grenades don't throw themselves [-(