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AntZ
05-20-2011, 06:09 PM
NHS budget squeeze to blame for longer waiting times, say doctors

Latest performance data reveal number of English patients waiting more than 18 weeks has risen by 26% in last year


James Ball and Denis Campbell

guardian.co.uk, Thursday 19 May 2011 21.10 BST




Doctors are blaming financial pressures on the NHS for an increase in the number of patients who are not being treated within the 18 weeks that the government recommends.

New NHS performance data reveal that the number of people in England who are being forced to wait more than 18 weeks has risen by 26% in the last year, while the number who had to wait longer than six months has shot up by 43%.

In March this year, 34,639 people, or 11% of the total, waited more than that time to receive inpatient treatment, compared with 27,534, or 8.3%, in March 2010 – an increase of 26% – Department of Health statistics show.

Similarly, in March this year some 11,243 patients who underwent treatment had waited for more than six months, compared with 7,841 in the same month in 2010 – a 43% rise.

Despite rising demand for healthcare caused by the increasingly elderly population and growing numbers of people with long-term conditions, the NHS treated 16,201 fewer people as inpatients in March 2011 compared to March 2010, the latest Referral To Treatment data disclose.

The British Medical Association said the longer waits and fewer treatments were inevitable: "Given the massive financial pressures on the NHS, it was always likely that hospital activity would decrease and waiting times would increase," said a spokesperson.

"The capacity of hospitals has been limited by staffing freezes, and commissioners of care are under pressure to ration surgical procedures considered to be of low value. As well as the personal impact on individual patients, there is a potential long-term consequence for NHS hospitals, which are at risk of being financially destabilised as they lose income."

Labour claimed the figures proved that the NHS was declining as a result of the coalition's health policies. "Another month, another breach of the treatment waiting times target. This is further evidence of the NHS going backwards again under the Tories," said John Healey, the shadow health secretary. "Instead of ploughing on with a wasteful top-down reorganisation of the NHS, David Cameron and Andrew Lansley should now apologise to those patients having to wait longer for treatment."

Katherine Murphy, the director of the Patients Association, said it had heard from people whose hip or knee replacement had been postponed once or twice without them being offered a new date, leaving them in pain and with their independence compromised.

The DH said: "Waiting times go up and they go down, but this data shows that waiting times remain broadly stable. On average, admitted patients waited 7.9 weeks for treatment in March 2011, compared to eight weeks in March 2010. For outpatients it is just 3.7 weeks, compared to 3.8 weeks in 2010."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/may/19/nhs-hospital-waiting-times-longer

PorkChopSandwiches
05-20-2011, 06:11 PM
go socialized medicine :dance:

Softdreamer
05-20-2011, 07:18 PM
it was working fine before these bastards in power now decided to 'cut public spending'...

Waiting times were going down, quality of care was rising.. but "its too expensive" now. C@nts

Deepsepia
05-20-2011, 07:29 PM
Strange that the article doesn't specify "waiting time for what treatments"

Towards the end, they mention hip and knee replacements -- but you should wait for both of these procedures, not on cost grounds, but on medical ones. Both procedures are traumatic, with significant risk of failure-- hip replacement in particular carries the risk of infection and death.

So if you can "get by" without these procedures, you want to.

One commonly finds that docs want patients who might be indicated for a hip replacement to wait 3 to 6 months to see if they're actually necessary.

Treatments divide into things that are emergencies, and things which are not. . . the things which are not generally should wait.

That said, British healthcare does suffer a financial crisis-- the UK spends about %8 of GDP on healthcare, the US spends about %18 .. we spend too much, they probably spend too little.

Softdreamer
05-20-2011, 07:41 PM
That said, British healthcare does suffer a financial crisis-- the UK spends about %8 of GDP on healthcare, the US spends about %18 .. we spend too much, they probably spend too little.

Your healthcare is overpriced, ours is underfunded.

Fuck it
Im upping and moving to Oz :D

Deepsepia
05-20-2011, 07:42 PM
Your healthcare is overpriced, ours is underfunded.

Fuck it
Im upping and moving to Oz :D

Oz, Canada, NZ . . . all look pretty good.

The basic problem for UK is that the country is not so wealthy. Oz can do more, they're much richer, but they're fierce about immigrants who might bring medical costs.

Softdreamer
05-20-2011, 07:48 PM
and they arnt trying to be world police..

We cant afford it. Yet we are still bombing one new country every 5 years

Deepsepia
05-20-2011, 07:58 PM
and they arnt trying to be world police..

We cant afford it. Yet we are still bombing one new country every 5 years

UK's problems are really that its highly levered to financial markets. Essentially the City of London is part of "global Wall Street", and stuff like the RBS meltdown was just devastating.

How pathetic is it to have to cut medical care for seniors in order to pay Fred Godwin's pension? Just shameful. but that's the rut that the UK is stuck in.

By contrast, neither Canada nor Oz bailed out anyone in the financial crisis (but they are both blowing up financial bubbles in real estate today-- Sydney, Vancouver . . . going to be messy when that bubble bursts).

Softdreamer
05-20-2011, 08:10 PM
I marched on the anti-bailout march.
Peoples money in their accounts were insured, the shareholders.. well, they gambled. and should have lost.

The UK needs to start manufacturing again. a country that survives on gravy train and Macdonalds is not a sound one

Hugh_Janus
05-20-2011, 08:40 PM
it was working fine before these bastards in power now decided to 'cut public spending'...

Waiting times were going down, quality of care was rising.. but "its too expensive" now. C@nts

lolololol

Lambchop
05-20-2011, 10:04 PM
We have a conservative government and a liberal health care system so there will be conflicts and things will worsen. The system is designed to feed off public money but the politicians in power want to significantly reduce the amount spent and redistribute it elsewhere.