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Deepsepia
05-24-2011, 11:26 AM
By Lisa M. Krieger


Quantifying what has long been obvious in Silicon Valley, a new analysis shows the majority of America's top high school science competitors are the children of new immigrants.

The report, released Monday by the nonpartisan National Foundation for American Policy, found that about two-thirds of the finalists at the Intel Science Talent Search -- the Nobel Prize of high school science -- were born to parents who hailed from either China or India.

Only 12 of 40 finalists at this year's competition -- a national contest based on solutions to scientific problems -- had parents who were born in America.

"The benefit America derives from the children of immigrants in science and math is an additional advantage the country reaps from being open to talent from around the world," said author Stuart Anderson, director of the organization and a former head of policy at the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

The results are evident in Silicon Valley classrooms: Children of immigrant parents, particularly those with skills-based H-1B visas, are abundant in the top tiers of academia.

"You see it here in Silicon Valley. It's like planting a vigorous sapling and giving it Miracle-Gro," said Menlo Park father Vivek Wadhwa, a visiting scholar at UC Berkeley's School of Information and a native of India.

"Here you take the cream of the crop," from their birthplace abroad, "then put them in some of the best schools in the world "... these
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students are really, really competitive and work very hard, inspired by their parents, and represent all the American ideals."

The winner of this year's competition was a home-schooled youth of American-born parents from Danville named Evan O'Dorney.

But the largest number of Intel finalists -- 16 -- had parents who hailed from China. Ten were born to Indian parents. There was also one finalist whose parents were from Iran, and another from South Korea.

To put the numbers in perspective, Chinese comprise only 1.0 percent and Indians 0.8 percent of the American population. So if contest winners were proportionate to their population, there would only be one child of an Indian or Chinese parent every 2.5 years -- not more than 10 in one year.

Of the finalists' immigrant parents, almost all came to the United States on H-1B visas, which allow highly skilled foreign nationals to work here. Most H-1B visa holders hold at least a bachelor's degree, and many have advanced degrees.

Three of Silicon Valley's 2011 finalists were born to parents from India: Amol Aggarwal of Saratoga; Rohan Mahajan of Cupertino; and Nikhil Parthasarathy of Mountain View. One local finalist, Andrew Liu of Palo Alto, has parents from China.

"It doesn't surprise me if you look at the quality of people coming here," said Wadhwa, who is also director of research in the Center for Entrepreneurship and Research Commercialization at Duke University. "They tend to be highly educated. And the vast majority have STEM-related (science, technology, engineering and math) degrees."

For instance, both of Nikhil's parents have Ph.D.s. His father works at Microsoft, studying signal processing. His mother, an organic chemist, teaches chemistry at the Harker School.

There is another characteristic linking families here on H-1B visas: the motivation to regain status at the top of the economic ladder, lost when they immigrated to the U.S., Wadhwa said.

"The families are upper echelon. They leave their country at the top of the social ladder, then come here at the bottom," he said. "As an immigrant, you are treated differently, and you have to struggle, and work harder, to catch up again.

"They watch their parents work hard and struggle and then they gain the same motivation," he said. "They seek to prove themselves to their families."

Having a foot in more than one culture may inspire new ideas and interests in young people, noted author Anderson.

Finalist Rohan Mahajan, whose Indian father works for Cisco, researched methods of improving the efficiency of photo-electro-chemical cells, which could improve solar energy. Something much more simple also motivated him.

"I got interested in energy production,'' he said, "because whenever we went to India the power always went out."

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_18124146?nclick_check=1

Teh One Who Knocks
05-24-2011, 12:39 PM
Short answer - American kids have become lazy and don't care

Deepsepia
05-24-2011, 12:55 PM
Short answer - American kids have become lazy and don't care

Yeah, there's a motivation problem -- but on the flip side, as the article suggests, the immigrants are super-high quality people.

We don't get the "underachieving Indian" or "Chinese Ferris Bueller" . . . we get the cream of the crop.

That's a good deal for the US.

AntZ
05-24-2011, 12:56 PM
Short answer - American kids have become lazy and don't care

When Oprah first wanted to help the poor black kids in Chicago, she was told that the ONLY reason they were far behind in test scores was because they just lacked the money for educational tools. So she went and asked all the kids what they needed to excel, they all demanded i-pods and new Air-Jordan's!

FBD
05-24-2011, 04:35 PM
the immigrants are super-high quality people.

We don't get the "underachieving Indian" or "Chinese Ferris Bueller" . . . we get the cream of the crop.


Sure, but nothing whatsoever is addressed about what percentage of those immigrant parents were actually highly skilled. Joe Chung Po may have made it here without much to his credit, and his kid may very well be one of these highly motivated youngens - but that's outside of the scope of what was measured, unfortunately an area the authors thought it perfectly okay to tread.

"Bad statistics" is also inclusive of "saying something relatively surely while at the same time having the faintest of relational ties."

PorkChopSandwiches
05-24-2011, 04:42 PM
Im happy with all the super-high quality illegals from mexico we get here.

DemonGeminiX
05-24-2011, 04:43 PM
Im happy with all the super-high quality illegals from mexico we get here.

So how're all the tacos you've been eating these days Porky?

Muddy
05-24-2011, 04:44 PM
Im happy with all the super-high quality illegals from mexico we get here.

*snicker*

PorkChopSandwiches
05-24-2011, 04:50 PM
So how're all the tacos you've been eating these days Porky?

super high quality

Deepsepia
05-24-2011, 05:03 PM
Sure, but nothing whatsoever is addressed about what percentage of those immigrant parents were actually highly skilled. Joe Chung Po may have made it here without much to his credit, and his kid may very well be one of these highly motivated youngens - but that's outside of the scope of what was measured, unfortunately an area the authors thought it perfectly okay to tread.

Wrong.



Of the finalists' immigrant parents, almost all came to the United States on H-1B visas, which allow highly skilled foreign nationals to work here.

If you want the background data for that statement, you can head to the National Foundation for American Policy, which prepared the report quoted in the article: http://www.nfap.com/

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AntZ
05-24-2011, 05:46 PM
super high quality

Hey Porky, if you want great tacos out there near where you work, exit Atlantic off the 710 and go south about a quarter mile. There's a great Mexican restaurant called "Las Trancas".

http://www.yelp.com/biz/las-trancas-maywood

Deepsepia
05-24-2011, 05:56 PM
And a little more color on what "high skilled" means

So, just to take the first of the finalists, Rohan Mahajan

Rohan Mahajan, 17, of Cupertino, submitted a materials science project to the Intel Science Talent Search that researched ways to improve the efficiency of photoelectrochemical (PEC) cells, used in sustainable hydrogen production. PEC cells consist of a semiconductor photoanode and a platinum cathode, and use sunlight to generate hydrogen and oxygen from water. Rohan developed a new way to dope the photoanode (titanium dioxide) with sulfur. He synthesized nanowiresenhanced by elemental doping, quantum dot sensitization, or bothand showed that some of these configurations increased the light absorption of the photoelectrodes more than sixfold. This approach could be used to further increase the efficiency of PEC devices and might also be applicable to photovoltaic cells.

He's the son of Umesh Mahajan, one of the H1-B visa holders. The father is Vice President/General Manager, Data Center Switching Technology Group at Cisco Systems, Inc. and is author of a host of patents on data switching ( see them here:
http://www.boliven.com/patents/search?q=inventor:%28%22Umesh+Mahajan%22%29 )

Muddy
05-24-2011, 05:58 PM
When I was in skoo, I made a volcano...

Muddy
05-24-2011, 06:11 PM
And a little more color on what "high skilled" means

So, just to take the first of the finalists, Rohan Mahajan

Rohan Mahajan, 17, of Cupertino, submitted a materials science project to the Intel Science Talent Search that researched ways to improve the efficiency of photoelectrochemical (PEC) cells, used in sustainable hydrogen production. PEC cells consist of a semiconductor photoanode and a platinum cathode, and use sunlight to generate hydrogen and oxygen from water. Rohan developed a new way to dope the photoanode (titanium dioxide) with sulfur. He synthesized nanowiresenhanced by elemental doping, quantum dot sensitization, or bothand showed that some of these configurations increased the light absorption of the photoelectrodes more than sixfold. This approach could be used to further increase the efficiency of PEC devices and might also be applicable to photovoltaic cells.

He's the son of Umesh Mahajan, one of the H1-B visa holders. The father is Vice President/General Manager, Data Center Switching Technology Group at Cisco Systems, Inc. and is author of a host of patents on data switching ( see them here:
http://www.boliven.com/patents/search?q=inventor:%28%22Umesh+Mahajan%22%29 )

Oh Im sure no one assisted him at all with this... :eyeroll: :lol:

AntZ
05-24-2011, 06:43 PM
When I was in skoo, I made a volcano...

Jerking off doesn't count! :hand: