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DemonGeminiX
01-21-2015, 04:35 AM
More than 50 U.S. law enforcement agencies are using a type of radar that effectively lets officers peer through the walls of homes to determine whether anyone is inside.


Agencies began using the radar, known as Range-R, more than two years ago without informing the public and with little notice to the courts. According to USA Today, federal contract records indicate that the U.S. Marshals Service began purchasing the technology in 2012, spending at least $180,000 on Range-R to date.


But its use was only made public in December when a federal appeals court in Denver said that the radar had been used before entering a house to arrest a man named Steven Denson for violating the conditions of his parole.


The technology uses radio waves to detect even the slightest movement, such as a human breathing, from more than 50 feet away. While the device does not display an image, it does alert officers that it has detected movement and indicates how far away that movement is.


The radar raises a slew of legal and privacy concerns, especially since the Supreme Court ruled in 2001 in Kyllo v. United States that the use of thermal imaging to monitor the heat from a person’s home constitutes a search and therefore requires a warrant.


While the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the search in Denson’s case, the judges wrote that they had “little doubt that the radar device deployed here will soon generate many questions for this court.”


“What happens in your home is supposed to receive the highest level of protection under the law,” says Christopher Soghoian, the American Civil Liberties Union's principal technologist. “At least if the police kick down your front door or knock on your front door and demand to come in, you know they are looking inside…you can at least voice your opposition. When the police use a device like this, you have no idea that they are doing it.”


“I think that one of the reasons why so many of these Snowden revelations have been troubling isn’t because the government is doing this, it’s that the government did it and didn’t tell us,” he continues. “There has been no legislation that has been passed explicitly authorizing the use of this technology.… And technologies that allow the government to see into your living room and see into your bedroom should be debated publicly.”


As USA Today notes, other, more advanced technologies exist, such as a radar that creates three-dimensional displays of where people are located within a building.


While it is unknown whether law enforcement uses the more high-tech radar, many technologies currently sit in law enforcement’s surveillance arsenal, which have also been introduced without public debate and used secretly.


One example are “stingrays,” which allow agencies to extract data from cell phones like location and call logs. It is only through uncovered documents that the public is learning what the technology is and how it is being used by law enforcement.


“When law enforcement agencies introduce surveillance technology without telling Congress and the courts it short circuits democracy,” says Soghoian.


According to L-3 Communications, the Range-R’s maker, around 200 devices have been sold for about $6,000 per device.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/new-radar-allows-law-enforcement-to-see-into-your-home/ar-AA8oCdr

KevinD
01-21-2015, 04:47 AM
So, the tin foil brigade was right

deebakes
01-21-2015, 05:02 AM
:rip: :usa:

Teh One Who Knocks
01-21-2015, 11:03 AM
So, the tin foil brigade was right

How so? This, IMHO, is less accurate than thermal imaging. Also, I am sure this will be found to be Unconstitutional if used without a warrant, so all those cases where this was used without notice will need to be thrown out and convictions (if any) overturned.


EDIT: Found a video about the radar on the USA Today website

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redred
01-21-2015, 11:53 AM
i do love how some of you all go mad about these things, surely if you aren't doing anything that puts you on a cops list they aren't just going to walk up and test one of these on your home

FBD
01-21-2015, 01:31 PM
:lol: I love your sense of cop-duty, red....and the attendant naivete that thinks they wont randomly use this thing and if they find something, THEN start figuring out a good excuse to get inside your house so they can arrest you.

cuz that's NEVER happened before and its never became a pattern, cops getting some technology and abusing it :lol:

Goofy
01-21-2015, 01:37 PM
You Yanks must be breaking the law all the time if you give a shit about this :lol: As long as they can't x-ray my hard drives i'll be ok 8-[

FBD
01-21-2015, 02:30 PM
its the principle of the matter. "oh, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" doesnt cut it when we have specified constitutional protections in writing.

redred
01-21-2015, 02:57 PM
:lol: i'll leave you to count the swat teams outside your house now

FBD
01-21-2015, 03:11 PM
trust me red I'm already trying to figure out ways to leave here....most definitely CT if not the US altogether.

FBD
01-21-2015, 03:14 PM
this made me think of you guys :lol:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7505/16098848128_266169877b_z.jpg

Noilly Pratt
01-21-2015, 03:33 PM
:D

redred
01-21-2015, 03:51 PM
trust me red I'm already trying to figure out ways to leave here....

log out and i'll get goof or lance to change your password :tup:

and if you leave the US ffs don't come to bristol :lol:

Hal-9000
01-21-2015, 03:54 PM
http://i.imgur.com/lX2OBOe.jpg

Hal-9000
01-21-2015, 03:55 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Jt9KP3I.jpg

Hal-9000
01-21-2015, 03:56 PM
http://i.imgur.com/NxWWrd6.jpg

Hal-9000
01-21-2015, 03:57 PM
this made me think of you guys :lol:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7505/16098848128_266169877b_z.jpg


right back at you dude :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/n5jiZi9.jpg

FBD
01-21-2015, 04:08 PM
:lol:

Of course I meant this rotten ass state of CT, but if I want to be serious about life, that'd probably be a good idea to remove all sources of perturbation including news, internet, weed, alcohol, not working out quite enough, etc. If I'm going to do that I might as well move into the feckin mountains, but I still have too much shit to do around here first. But yeah, this is like watching a sandstorm on the horizon, its going to seem amorphously far away until all of a sudden its right on top of you. The world aint right these days, and if I didnt have so many friends and so much going on, I'd have already did as the taoist adepts did in china when the cultural revolution came along. Say fuck this noise and retreat into the mountains to cultivate. That's a huge task just to arrange all of that, even, since I have a ton of stuff going on, assets and obligations and such. There's not a ton that's absolutely certain about the path, but I think at the bare minimum it does involve leaving this state as soon as the conditions can be arranged properly.

Here...well, I pop in and out about as we all can tolerate it, it seems :lol: I have to admit it is a tad frustrating how doggedly yall will MFthe news and governments, yet the news and data from governments still maintains its trusted status in the logic circuit and processing continues as if there's no possible way they'd knowingly publish something because they were told to, regardless of the actual veracity thereof.

To me, sometimes things are as obvious as my son's 11 month old observation about his shit as he squeezed it through his hands one day he took off his diaper himself - "its squishy."

FBD
01-22-2015, 04:26 PM
How so? This, IMHO, is less accurate than thermal imaging. Also, I am sure this will be found to be Unconstitutional if used without a warrant, so all those cases where this was used without notice will need to be thrown out and convictions (if any) overturned.
Whether or not it is less accurate than thermal imaging is a red herring ;)

I think that's kinda funny about the whole unconstitutional thing, given that at the end of the article we see this,


Those concerns are especially thorny when it comes to technology that lets the police determine what’s happening inside someone’s home. The Supreme Court ruled in 2001 that the Constitution generally bars police from scanning the outside of a house with a thermal camera unless they have a warrant, and specifically noted that the rule would apply to radar-based systems that were then being developed.



Still, the radars appear to have drawn little scrutiny from state or federal courts. The federal appeals court’s decision published last month was apparently the first by an appellate court to reference the technology or its implications.


which basically proves the functional opposite of the assertion

we have blatant lawlessness by the law enforcement yet again, and everyone kinda just says....meh....is what it is...

(would you say that if you were in the middle of being raped up the ass?)

what we have seen is the courts accept the "but I didnt know it wasnt legal" defense from LEOs and then nothing further said, they continue the practice.

FBD
01-22-2015, 04:44 PM
and also,


Yes indeed, ignorance of "the law" is no excuse citizen! Unless you work for the state, of course...lol.

I love the way its phrased:

"The new technology raises legal and privacy issues because the U.S. Supreme Court has said officers generally cannot use high-tech sensors to tell them about the inside of a person’s house without first obtaining a search warrant."

"The Supreme Court ruled in 2001 that the Constitution generally bars police from scanning the outside of a house with a thermal camera unless they have a warrant, and specifically noted that the rule would apply to radar-based systems that were then being developed."

Just one word inserted, generally, provides the state a loophole large enough to drive an M1 Abrams tank through.

The Bill of Rights specifically states:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

I failed to find the word "generally" anywhere in the text and they need a warrant to use it lawfully.

Period.