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FBD
01-28-2015, 08:49 PM
http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/5414289

What do you think of when you hear the name Colonel Gaddafi? Tyrant? Dictator? Terrorist? Well, a national citizen of Libya may disagree but we want you to decide.

For 41 years until his demise in October 2011, Muammar Gaddafi did some truly amazing things for his country and repeatedly tried to unite and empower the whole of Africa.

So despite what you’ve heard on the radio, seen in the media or on the TV, Gaddafi did some powerful things that are not characteristic of a “vicious dictator” as portrayed by the western media.

Here are ten things Gaddafi did for Libya that you may not know about…












1. In Libya a home is considered a natural human right

In Gaddafi’s Green Book it states: ”The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others”. Gaddafi’s Green Book is the formal leader’s political philosophy, it was first published in 1975 and was intended reading for all Libyans even being included in the national curriculum.



2. Education and medical treatment were all free

Under Gaddafi, Libya could boast one of the best healthcare services in the Middle East and Africa. Also if a Libyan citizen could not access the desired educational course or correct medical treatment in Libya they were funded to go abroad.



3. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project

The largest irrigation system in the world also known as the great manmade river was designed to make water readily available to all Libyan’s across the entire country. It was funded by the Gaddafi government and it said that Gaddafi himself called it ”the eighth wonder of the world”.

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4. It was free to start a farming business

If any Libyan wanted to start a farm they were given a house, farm land and live stock and seeds all free of charge.



5. A bursary was given to mothers with newborn babies

When a Libyan woman gave birth she was given 5000 (US dollars) for herself and the child.




6. Electricity was free

Electricity was free in Libya meaning absolutely no electric bills!





7. Cheap petrol

During Gaddafi’s reign the price of petrol in Libya was as low as 0.14 (US dollars) per litre.






8. Gaddafi raised the level of education

Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. This figure was brought up to 87% with 25% earning university degrees.




9. Libya had It’s own state bank

Libya had its own State bank, which provided loans to citizens at zero percent interest by law and they had no external debt.




10. The gold dinar

Before the fall of Tripoli and his untimely demise, Gaddafi was trying to introduce a single African currency linked to gold. Following in the foot steps of the late great pioneer Marcus Garvey who first coined the term ”United States of Africa”. Gaddafi wanted to introduce and only trade in the African gold Dinar – a move which would have thrown the world economy into chaos.

The Dinar was widely opposed by the ‘elite’ of today’s society and who could blame them. African nations would have finally had the power to bring itself out of debt and poverty and only trade in this precious commodity. They would have been able to finally say ‘no’ to external exploitation and charge whatever they felt suitable for precious resources. It has been said that the gold Dinar was the real reason for the NATO led rebellion, in a bid to oust the outspoken leader.




So, was Muammar Gaddafi a Terrorist?

Few can answer this question fairly, but if anyone can, it’s a Libyan citizen who has lived under his reign? Whatever the case, it seems rather apparent that he did some positive things for his country despite the infamous notoriety surrounding his name. And that’s something you should try to remember when judging in future.

This quirky video documentary spells out an interesting, if rather different, story from the one we think we know.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84924572&v=TkTUDw0mjMA&x-yt-ts=1422411861

FBD
01-28-2015, 08:52 PM
(the text on the screen at 2 minutes tells you exactly why Khaddafi was killed ;) )

PorkChopSandwiches
01-28-2015, 09:09 PM
No gold at all :hills:

Goofy
01-28-2015, 09:33 PM
I heard he was a Colonel.......... that's about it as far as my knowledge of him goes :)

Goofy
01-28-2015, 09:35 PM
He's also rhyming slang for baffies (slippers) :thumbsup: "Where's ma colonel gaddafi's? Ma feet are getting cauld"

PorkChopSandwiches
01-28-2015, 09:44 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ALceXph.jpg

deebakes
01-29-2015, 12:01 AM
is that jeffrey ross?

PorkChopSandwiches
01-29-2015, 01:20 AM
:lol:

perrhaps
01-29-2015, 01:53 PM
11. he had smoking hot bodyguards.

Loser
01-29-2015, 02:18 PM
I'm sure hitler did a lot of nice things for "his" people too...:roll:

deebakes
01-29-2015, 02:25 PM
especially by comparison to the second in command at the time :shock:

FBD
01-29-2015, 02:31 PM
I'm sure hitler did a lot of nice things for "his" people too...:roll:

as you well know, history is written by the victors, and they always make themselves appear more benevolent than they really are.


fact of the matter remains that we went in there and destabilized the entire country just because he was threatening a united states of africa with a gold backed currency that would have thrown a fucking on the federal reserve EU ponzi scheme.

redred
01-29-2015, 02:35 PM
fuck me are you ever happy when you start posting :lol:

cheer up spread some happiness rather than this anti everything world you live in

FBD
01-29-2015, 02:42 PM
war's war, red. we are in the middle of a war. and "our side" are the aggressors.

yeah, let's be cheery and happy that its elsewhere that's getting bombed the fuck out of, let's be glad our homes arent bombed out, because its us that's doing the bombing.

meanwhile, our governments screw us too, they just dont blow up our houses, they take half our pay or so. ya know, just as protection money.

and then people say more please

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/01/kermit%20ass_0.jpg

its amusing you think I'm this negative person based on my penchant for posting about how the people are getting screwed :lol:

redred
01-29-2015, 02:58 PM
see if you can find a local news story that will make people laugh :tup:

spread some fun like the rest of us try and do into the site

FBD
01-29-2015, 03:12 PM
like "real nurse offended by naughty nurse beer label"


Real Nurse Offended By Beer Label

Recent Columns
8:49 am, January 27, 2015

The recent controversy over beer names [Jan. 24, Business, "Gandhi-Bot To Get Reboot"] got me thinking about City Steam's most popular beer, "The Naughty Nurse." As a registered nurse, I am stung each time I hear or read that name.

My profession suffers from sterotypical images promulgated by television and movies. One is the mean battle-axe intent on doing harm; the other is an angel, an inhuman, perfect fantasy.

The reality is that nurses are educated, smart, hardworking people who have made the courageous decision to choose and persist in a caring profession. All of us from birth to the end will be cared for by nurses.

I challenge the folks at City Steam to hold a contest to choose a different name for their beer. "The Trashy Teacher?" No, that won't work. "The Lusty Lawyer"? No, that won't work either.

Truth be told, that half-dressed, powder-puff, cartoon image clutching a glass of beer has nothing whatsoever to do with my profession. I think City Steam has co-opted nursing and I do not think the name was chosen to honor nurses. If your daughter or son chose nursing as a profession, would you want to promote that image? I think not. It's past time to drop the archaic and insulting name.

Cora M. Ekwurtzel, Granby


this is connecticut ffs :lol:

redred
01-29-2015, 03:16 PM
see thats a start :lol: it's about beer and puns i like that subject, now try posting a nice funny story once a day , spread happiness

Teh One Who Knocks
01-29-2015, 03:51 PM
By Christopher Olgiati - BBC News


Since Muammar Gaddafi's ignominious death at the hands of a rebel mob in October 2011 much has been written and said about him. But now a new film, with unprecedented access to those close to Gaddafi, provides a comprehensive study of Libya's brutal and contradictory long-time leader.

Ali Aujali, Gaddafi's former ambassador to the United States, is an exceptionally charming man.

He is also something of a magician. He began his career in the Libyan diplomatic service a couple of years after Gaddafi seized power in 1969.

In a series of postings from London to Latin America, he explained away the excesses of the Gaddafi regime. So I was rather surprised to sit with Mr Aujali surrounded by the staggeringly ornate Libyan embassy in Washington and hear him tear the colonel to pieces.

Mr Aujali defected to the rebels in February 2011 and became their ambassador to the United States.

According to him, there was literally nothing good about the man whose regime he had served most of his adult life.

Secret after secret spilled out. We checked as many of his claims as we could.

There were anecdotes we could not follow up, such as his claim that a young man had been tied to two cars and ripped in half after complaining that Gaddafi had had sex with his wife.

But there were other claims we could check.

One was that on 22 December 1992, almost four years to the day after Pan Am 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, a Libyan Arab Airlines 727 was shot down on Gaddafi's orders.

A total of 157 people - Libyans and foreigners - had died.

Its flight number, curiously, was 1103.

After Gaddafi fell, the British wife of one of the victims tried to get the new Libyan government to open an enquiry.

Reporters pieced together statements made by pilots of military jets in the area, air traffic controllers and airline employees.

But what was important about Mr Aujali's statement to us was that it was the first time a true insider had spoken out.

Was he sure? "100%," he said.

A bomb with a timer had been placed on board the plane. When it failed to detonate, Gaddafi ordered the plane to be knocked out of the sky, near Tripoli airport.

Why?

Mr Aujali said his motive had been to show the West - via Libya's state-controlled media - how international sanctions imposed after Lockerbie were hurting ordinary Libyans.

Unable to buy spare parts, the story went, Libyan Arab Airlines could not fly its planes safely. The dead were victims of what Gaddafi liked to represent to visitors as Western terrorism.

The official explanation varied. Eventually the regime jailed the pilot of a Libyan Air Force MiG and his instructor, claiming they had collided with the plane.

The instructor, Majid Tayari, agreed to meet us in a Tripoli hotel. There was no collision, he insisted. He saw part of the tail of the 727 hurtling towards him.

Something hit the MiG from underneath, then fire broke out. Both pilots ejected. According to him the 727 had been hit first.

Pieces of fuselage rained down at very high speed and punctured the skin of the MiG.

Libyan Arab Airlines' air safety manager in 1992, Mahmud Tekalli, also disputes that a mid-air collision was the cause. He believes flight 1103 was deliberately destroyed.

We went to the crash site and then negotiated our way past the militia guarding Tripoli airport.

A back road runs past elderly planes.

Off the road we found the wreckage of Flight 1103 in eerily good condition, protected by the desert climate, ready to lay bare its secrets to crash investigators.

Mr Aujali was not the only insider we met on our travels.

On a private island in the Pacific Ocean, we talked to Lutz Kayser, a German rocket designer who worked for Gaddafi in the 1980s.

Mr Kayser says: "He was a very nice, modest person and I had the impression he was hiding his weakness behind a facade."

Mr Kayser's wife, Susanne, says Gaddafi was "charming and could charm the birds out of the trees" but she said he later became disillusioned when he failed to set up a "utopia" in Libya.

In Havana we interviewed Frank Terpil, an American fugitive from justice who ran a "Murder Incorporated" operation for Gaddafi in the 1970s, killing Libyan dissidents abroad.

Mr Terpil said: "Gaddafi thought that anybody who was a dissident was going to be eliminated. He had contracts out on a bunch of people in London."

And after pursuing him for months, we finally reached Urs Tinner, a Swiss engineer who worked for Abdul Qadeer Khan, once called the most dangerous man in the world.

Mr Khan developed nuclear weapons for Pakistan and later offered nuclear technology to any country with the money to pay. Gaddafi was his most lucrative client.

Mr Tinner says he was not aware Mr Khan was a "nuclear proliferator" but when he realised he tipped off the CIA, who intercepted a ship with final parts for a centrifuge.

We also unearthed evidence of Gaddafi's sexual abuse of young girls.

And one of his female bodyguards, who now lives in hiding, told us she ended up fearing him: "[One night] we were going to witness the execution of 17 students. They did not hang them. They shot them. We were forbidden to scream. We were ordered to cheer."

Finally we found Gary Peters, an Australian bodyguard for the Gaddafi family, who had fled to Niger with the ex-leader's son Saadi, while Gaddafi made his last stand in Sirte. He said: "He stood to the last because he thought he could possibly reclaim his status."

Teh One Who Knocks
01-29-2015, 03:51 PM
A regular Mother Theresa :tup:

redred
01-29-2015, 03:59 PM
All lies made up by the western world no doubt

perrhaps
01-29-2015, 04:10 PM
I just wish I belonged here when my mother-in-law was still alive. I would have paid FBD $1,000.00 every year to ruin the witch's birthday party.

PorkChopSandwiches
01-29-2015, 04:10 PM
see thats a start :lol: it's about beer and puns i like that subject, now try posting a nice funny story once a day , spread happiness

http://i.imgur.com/MqTPNg1.jpg

FBD
01-29-2015, 04:57 PM
All lies made up by the western world no doubt

no, just proof that the US didnt invent and hasnt cornered the market on false flag terrorism.


the point is, Khaddafi was removed not because of anything he did to Libyans, it was because he directly threatened the petrodollar. he did plenty of good for Libyans by and large, even if he did kill some of them to try and get sanctions lifted.....and of course that bit about him up there doesnt quite address why those sanctions were in place.....why were they in place again? what? didnt like the petrodollar?

ask Saddam, that's enough to get you killed :lol:

redred
01-29-2015, 05:23 PM
I just wish I belonged here when my mother-in-law was still alive. I would have paid FBD $1,000.00 every year to ruin the witch's birthday party.

:lol: you know he would do a good job

FBD
01-29-2015, 05:25 PM
I just wish I belonged here when my mother-in-law was still alive. I would have paid FBD $1,000.00 every year to ruin the witch's birthday party.

did she have a particular disdain for khaddafi or something? :lol:

Hal-9000
01-29-2015, 05:35 PM
fuck me are you ever happy when you start posting :lol:

cheer up spread some happiness rather than this anti everything world you live in

:-k

The story features 10 of what looks like very positive things done for that country while under his rule...

FBD
01-29-2015, 05:59 PM
....that most westerners have no clue even existed.

all most of us know of him is lockerbie and terrorism, because that's about the extent of information they wanted to share with us about him.


just like that ted talk I posed the other day.


if motherfuckers invaded your country for some invented reason and blew the fuggin place to shreds, would one be inclined to want to kill the bastards that blew your country up?

Teh One Who Knocks
01-29-2015, 06:04 PM
....that most westerners have no clue even existed.

Because they aren't true




Lies spread by stupid people about Libya, which is happy that the outdated system with which the dictator Gadaffi ruled the country for decades is gone now!


I dont know why, i think mainly because he hold up a system which was similar to the one of the former eastern block (some kind of socialism) some oldfashioned dinosaurs still thinking that this system is the best still sing halleluja, when they hear Gadaffi...

Here are some rumours and the truth, written by a real Libyan:

Really ignorant views of Libya: here are some myths and responses about Gaddafi's Libya...

There are no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

Categorically untrue. Despite poor electricity infrastructure and poor coverage of electricity lines, even in the Capital, Libyan home owners pay monthly/quarterly (area dependant) electricity bills based on meter readings. Electricity is cut off in instances of unpaid bills. Reconnection upon payment is not instant. The electric infrastructure is week and some areas of Libya do not have electricity available at all.

There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.Categorically untrue. Banks all over Libya have been giving out loans for years and years. There is a percentage rate charge on all loans, which is comparable to an interest rate, but in the spirit of ‘islamic ethics’ it is not called interest, it is called an ‘Administrative Expense’ – Masareef Edareeya.

A House is considered a human right in Libya ¬ Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi¹s father has died while he, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent. Well Gaddafi abused this human right as much as he did other basic rights. It is well known in Libya that political opponents, or just successful business men/women, had their homes confiscated and handed over to regime members, usually rewards for Free Officers – Dubat A7rar. Many farms and homes and businesses were confiscated during three infamous phases of Libyas dictatorial history:1969 – The dreaded Green Revolution. Free Officers were rewarded land, homes, and farms that sometimes belonged to other people and the original owners were not compensated or asked if this was ok. Late 70’s - The introduction of the law Albayt le Sakinehee – The Home Belongs to its Dwellers. As this law was passed overnight, thousands of homeowners instantly lost their homes, as tenants (those renting the homes) claimed ownership on account of being the ‘dwellers’. The law applied to homes, farms, shops, etc.90’s - The introduction of Purification Committees (Lejnat al Tatheer). This committee ran by the widely know slogan, ‘Min ayna laka hada?’ – “From where did you obtain this?”, a form of ultra-socialism where people’s possessions, including homes and businesses, were confiscated if seen to be ‘surplus to requirement’ or contributing to a ‘monopoly’. Regarding Gaddafis ‘vow’: While Gaddafi waited for ‘everyone in Libya’ to be housed, he himself lived in a sprawling 6km square compound in the centre of the capital which was home to state of the art security and an underground network of rooms and ultramodern bunkers. He also had a vast and well known farm on Airport Road in Tripoli. This, just in the capital.

All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.This is a well known rumour and a common joke in Libya. Whilst it may have been passed as official legislation, I know of not a single family who has been given this grant. The backbreaking bureaucracy associated with such grants and loans make them more or less impossible to obtain.

Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.Education and Health Care – Free does not mean adequate. It is well known that Libya’s standard of health care is nothing short of appalling. It is widely known that the majority of Libyans seeking medical care leave for neighbouring countries for treatment. Our Education system is no better. It is outdated, teachers are underpaid and under-trained and libraries are largely non-existent. The syllabus was constantly being revised and reviewed under direct instruction from the former regime e.g. banning English, changing Quranic verses, etc.It is commonly said that Libyans would be happy to forfeit their ‘free health care’ and pay for a National Health Service if it was up to the required standard. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and Livestock to kick- start their farms all for free.This has never happened, in addition to this many farms and homes have been confiscated by the government to build railroads, The Great Man Made River and civil roads. The owners of the land were only compensated if there was a covered structure on the land as the Gaddafi regime legally owned any land and the people were only allowed to build on it. When there was compensation offered it was nowhere near the actual value of the property and many waited years to receive anything if at all. This system was also rife with corruption many residents told they had to pay a bribe to receive what little they were given. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it not only free but they get $2, 300/month accommodation and car allowance.Categorically untrue. If this was the case, the former regime would have been in receipt of 6 million application forms – one for every man, women and child who ‘cannot find education or medical facilities they need’. This grant does not exist for the mainstream public. There is anectdotal evidence of some medical grants being given but again, the system was corrupt and opaque.

In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government pays 50% of the price. ‎The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.There is no truth to the former Gaddafi regime paying 50% of the value of a new car. Whilst the price of fuel is indeed cheap, the quality of roads, the accuracy and availability of road signs, the presence of road traffic police, and all other transport infrastructure is of abysmal standard.The absence of an integrated and functional public transport system means that people are reliant on their cars for all movement and might end up paying more on fuel than our neighbours around the Mediterranean basin. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion now frozen globally.Whilst our sovereign wealth is undeniable, none of it was spent on the people of Libya nor the infrastructure of the country. Basic amenities, services, and state infrastructure are either absent or of appalling standard.The availability of money is not tantamount to wealth or prosperity.

The Arabs have a saying about Libya – “A rich nation of poor inhabitants” If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.Categorically untrue. Even basic wages are sometimes unpaid for months, for those lucky enough to be employed. Welfare for the unemployed is non-existent.

A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.No basis to this claim as no such case can be found.

A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000Categorically untrue. There is a Child Benefit welfare payment in Libya – it is roughly 15-20 Libyan Dinars a month per child. No Libyan citizen was given foreign currency as compensation. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15Bread was subsidized by the state. Whilst the price varies (marginally) from shop to shop, bread usually costs ¼ dinars for 10 baguettes (small) or roughly 500grams per dinar.

25% of Libyans have a university degree. The absence of a comprehensive selection process and a corrupt entry protocol means that universities in Libya are grossly over populated and over subscribed, despite limited facilities. This results in an over inflated number of graduates, but not necessarily an adequate level of employability. There are thousands of students studying foundation year medicine in Tripoli alone.

Please do not forget that in addition to the material and infrastructure distruction of Gaddafi's 42 year rule, the most signifcant crime is his human right record: the killing of thousands of innocent civilians, in prison, or as a result of torture, or deliberate mass killing, most famously the massacre at Abu Salim prison in 1996. Mass graves continue to be discovered throughout Libya since the begining the revolution and the downfall of the Gaddafi regime.It is also worth mentioning that the United States (prior to Obama) and Britain were involved in the torture and rendition of opposition figures, including current prominent figures of the opposition.Here is a prtial list of some of Gaddafi's public crimes- (not including the 1270 Abu-slim massacre, victims which we have the names of each victim, or others who pereished during the revolution): Public Executions of Civilians in the 1980′s, by way of example -

1 – Omar Ali Debub (teacher and the university students participated in the demonstrations in January 1976): executed by hanging on 6 April 1977 in front of the Socialist Union building in Benghazi
2 – Mohammed Bin Saud Al-Tayeb (teacher and the university students participated in the demonstrations in January 1976): executed by hanging on 6 April 1977 in front of the Socialist Union building in Benghazi
3 – Ahmed Fouad Fathallah (an Egyptian): executed by hanging on 6 April 1977 at the port of Benghazi Sea
4 – Saleh Ali al-Zarouk Al-Nawal (teacher): April 1982 was executed in prison
5 – Mohammed Muhatthab Ihfaf (college student): Hanged on April 7, 1983 in the Faculty of Engineering at the University of Tripoli
6 – Nimr Khaled Khamis (Palestinian teacher) : Executed by hanging in front of students on 7 April 1983 al-Fatih secondary school in Ajdabiyya
7 – Nasser Mohammad Sares (Palestinian teacher) – : Executed by hanging in front of students on 7 April 1983 al-Fatih secondary school in Ajdabiyya
8 – Ali Ahmed Awadallah (Palestinian teacher) – Executed by hanging in front of students on 7 April 1983 al-Fatih secondary school in Ajdabiyya
9 – Hasan Bader Al Badi (Palestinian teacher) –: Executed by hanging in front of students on 7 April 1983 al-Fatih secondary school in Ajdabiyya
11 – Hassan Ahmad al-Kurdi (student) : April 1984 was executed in prison12 – Abdullah Abu al-Qasim Msallati (student) –: April 1984 executed secretly in prison without trial
13 – Rashid Mansour Kaabar (college student) – it was claimed that he was from the followers of Sheikh Al-Bishti – executed by hanging on 16 April 1984 in Tripoli, Faculty of Pharmacy
14 – Hafidh al-Madani (college student): executed by hanging on 16 April 1984 at the Faculty of Agriculture
15 – Mustafa al-Nouweiri: executed by hanging on 21 April 1984 at the University of Benghazid. Assassinations carried out abroad in the 1980′s, by way of example:1 – Mohamed Mustafa Ramadan (radio reporter,): 11 April 1980 he was assassinated outside the mosque after Friday prayers in London
2 – Mahmoud Abdel-Salam Nafi (lawyer): 21 April 1980, was assassinated in Britain
3 – Arif Abdul Jalil (businessman): 19 April 1980, was assassinated in Rome
4 – Abdul Latif alMuntasir (businessman): 21 April 1980, was assassinated in Beirut
5 – Gabriel Abdel Razek al-Dinaly (a police officer and a popular poet): 6 April 1985, was assassinated in Bonn, Germany

Goofy
01-29-2015, 07:17 PM
yeah, let's be cheery and happy that its elsewhere that's getting bombed the fuck out of, let's be glad our homes arent bombed out, because its us that's doing the bombing.


My sentiments exactly :agreed: :D

Goofy
01-29-2015, 07:18 PM
I just wish I belonged here when my mother-in-law was still alive. I would have paid FBD $1,000.00 every year to ruin the witch's birthday party.

:rofl:

FBD
01-29-2015, 08:39 PM
Because they aren't true:lol: I expected things like 5000 dinars confused for 5000 dollars to have happened, and no, I wasnt saying khaddafi was a saint. To sit there and say they werent true as if the other what, 7 were false :lol: :shrug:

So what I want to know is, is Saddam's secret services torturing you, or Khaddafi's secret services torturing you, or the cia torturing you...any different?

FBD
01-29-2015, 08:39 PM
My sentiments exactly :agreed: :D

:facepalm: nowhere should be getting bombed. especially not so we can have relatively cheap oil and our central banks retain the ability to invent as much currency as they please.

Goofy
01-29-2015, 09:16 PM
:facepalm: nowhere should be getting bombed. especially not so we can have relatively cheap oil and our central banks retain the ability to invent as much currency as they please.
But i like bombings as long as they're not near me :sad2:

FBD
01-29-2015, 09:19 PM
I like bombings so long as they're small enough to be non destructive and entertaining, like those 4 m-1000s we strapped together and lit up.