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Teh One Who Knocks
02-11-2015, 12:44 PM
By Ellie Zolfagharifard For Dailymail.com


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Your past influences your present which changes your future.

But if time were like space, shouldn't the future also influence the past and the present?

A remarkable new study suggests that it just might – and the evidence has been shown in the world of quantum mechanics.

Scientists in the US have devised a series of new experiments to probe the quantum mechanical properties of single particles.

These particle have a state that is not merely unknown, but totally undefined before it is measured.

It is the act of measurement itself that forces the particle to collapse to a definite state - as evidenced in the infamous Schrödinger's cat thought experiment.

Professor Kater Murch at Washington University has found that by knowing the future outcome of a particle, its state in the past is altered.

Without knowing the information, the state is more likely to remain the same.

In other words, knowing future events can change the past.

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If this proves true in our 'classical' world, it would mean that what we're doing now has been influenced by the decision made by a future version of us.

This all remains theory, but physicists have created devices that has allowed them to measure these fragile quantum systems to see if this really is the case in the quantum world.

Professor Kater Murch at Washington University used this technique to look at the quantum state of two particles at different stages in their evolution.

The quantum state was detected by putting a circuit inside a microwave box.

A few microwave photons – or particles of light – were sent into the box, where their quantum fields interacted with the circuit.

When the photons exited the box they had information about the quantum system.

'We start each run by putting the qubit in a superposition of the two states,' Professor Murch said.

'Then we do a strong measurement but hide the result, continuing to follow the system with weak measurements.'

They then try to guess the hidden result, which is their version of the missing page of the murder mystery.

'Calculating forward, the probability of finding the system in a particular state, your odds of guessing right are only 50-50,' Murch said.

'But you can also calculate backward using something called an effect matrix. Just take all the equations and flip them around. They still work and you can just run the trajectory backward.

'So there's a backward-going trajectory and a forward-going trajectory and if we look at them both together and weight the information in both equally, we get something we call a hindsight prediction, or 'retrodiction.'

The shattering thing about the retrodiction is that it is 90 per cent accurate.

When the physicists check it against the stored measurement of the system's earlier state it is right nine times out of 10.

This suggests that in the quantum world time runs both backward and forward whereas in the classical world it only runs forward.

Professor Murch told Dailymail.com that it's as if you left your keys somewhere in the house, but couldn't remember where.

In the quantum world, they could exist in every room of the house simultaneously.

When you eventually find them in the kitchen, in the classical world it is clear that they were there all along, in the quantum world the uncertainty is intrinsic, but Profesor Murch was able to show that indeed hindsight can be applied to make a better guess about where they were in the past.

In the same way, the improved odds in the current experiment imply the measured quantum state somehow incorporates information from the future as well as the past.

And that might implies that time, notoriously an arrow in the classical world, is a double-headed arrow in the quantum world.

'It's not clear why in the real world, the world made up of many particles, time only goes forward and entropy always increases,' Professor Murch added.

'But many people are working on that problem and I expect it will be solved in a few years,' he said.

FBD
02-11-2015, 03:35 PM
:-k I cant really say that there's really any sort of new information in this article

Hal-9000
02-11-2015, 05:51 PM
...as evidenced in the infamous Schrödinger's cat thought experiment.


Let's get one thing perfectly clear...the cat in the box is either dead or alive, not both... regardless of observation. It always will be. Saying that the act of observation is the pinnacle or defining point of something's existence is silly. The cat will either live or die without anyone quantifying the cat's state. There will never be two possible paths as one has already occurred.

That's like saying the tree that fell over in the forest 3 years ago is both simultaneously standing and has fallen, because no one witnessed it. It can't have two possible timelines because the damn thing has fallen over already!

Hal-9000
02-11-2015, 06:11 PM
I agree with Stephen Hawking....you can move forward in time but the past is already set. You can't go back and change the linear line of things that have already happened.

Going forward in time using the example of the twin brothers. One stays on Earth, the other jumps in a rocket ship that can travel faster than the speed of light. They will age differently as speed is the main factor in the example.

FBD
02-11-2015, 06:30 PM
...as evidenced in the infamous Schrödinger's cat thought experiment.


Let's get one thing perfectly clear...the cat in the box is either dead or alive, not both... regardless of observation. It always will be. Saying that the act of observation is the pinnacle or defining point of something's existence is silly. The cat will either live or die without anyone quantifying the cat's state. There will never be two possible paths as one has already occurred.

That's like saying the tree that fell over in the forest 3 years ago is both simultaneously standing and has fallen, because no one witnessed it. It can't have two possible timelines because the damn thing has fallen over already!
This analogy is weird, and it fails, as you have noted, but that is mainly because of macroscopic classical rules. The notion here is that quantum superpositioning IS a classically ill defined state, so that's why your logical deductive process concludes as it did because it included an inapplicable and undefined classical translation of a quantum state.

One might be inclined to think Schrodinger's cat is a "quantum cat" that behaves relativistically and can thus be in the superpositioned state :lol: But really what it is addressing is our knowledge of the system, at a quantum level - and carried forth in relativistic calculation, what is known of the system is important, and QM has proven itself quite resolute in its calculation of probability based on these odd real world observations. When you consider "the cat" to be a quantum state of a particle-resonance, that's where the analogy is applicable. (I hope people have been able to see this metaphor ;) )

The crux here is that hadrons have the entropy of the big bang as an already ongoing fact - so while relativistically speaking, the math reverses with no issues, if you include enough particles to the point where the experiment could be considered classical, then "the setup" of the experiment necessarily has enough information for things to move into classical calculations and quantum superposition has long since collapsed. Any string tied to the 4d-brane will be subject to "time."

Hal-9000
02-11-2015, 06:45 PM
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:lol: j/k...I see the point/difference

deebakes
02-12-2015, 03:07 AM
:woot: :wank: