PDA

View Full Version : More Solid Proof That Obamacare Is Working



PorkChopSandwiches
05-27-2011, 03:18 PM
Recent data provided by the nation’s largest health insurance companies reveals that a provision of the Affordable Care Act – or Obamacare – is bringing big numbers of the uninsured into the health care insurance system.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/rickungar/files/2011/05/obama-obey-200x300.jpg

And they are precisely the uninsured that we want– the young people who tend not to get sick.

The provision of the law that permits young adults under 26, long the largest uninsured demographic in the country, to remain on their parents’ health insurance program resulted in at least 600,000 newly insured Americans during the first quarter of 2011.

Wellpoint, the nation’s largest publicly traded health insurer with some 34 million customers, reports adding 280,000 new members in the first three months of 2011.

Add in the results of some of the other large health insurers including Aetna, who added just short of 100,000 newly insured to their customer base, Kaiser Permanente’s additional 90,000, and Highmark’s 72,000 new customers, and we begin to sense our health insurance pools are filling up with some badly needed young blood.

The Health & Human Services Department had estimated that the changes in the law would result in about 1.2 million new enrollees in 2011. However, according to Aaron Smith, the executive director of a Washington based non-profit that advocates for the young, it now looks as if that number will be exceeded.

This is very good news – particularly for those in the individual and small group markets that tend not to ‘self-insure’ as the larger corporations tend to do.

It is also very good news for those of us who write a large check every month for our health coverage.

For starters, every one of the young immortals we add to the rolls of the insured is one less young adult who will turn to the emergency room to fix a broken leg and then find themselves unable to pay the bill – leaving it to the rest of us to pay the tab.

And it gets better.

Because the under 26 crowd tends not to get sick, adding them to the insurance pools helps bring the very balance that was intended by the new law. The more healthy people available to pay for those in the pool who are ill (translation- the older people), the better the system works and the lower our premium charges should go.

One cannot help but notice that the health insurance companies turned in record profits for the first quarter of 2011 due, according the insurance companies, to fewer people seeking medical treatment.

When you add into their customer base a large number of people who are paying premiums but are less likely to get sick (the young adult demographic), this would be the expected result.

The question now is whether we allow the health insurance companies to hold onto the benefits of this reform by keeping the extra money they are pocketing or force them to hold the line on premiums as a result of their good fortune.

I’m betting that the policyholders, with the help of both state and federal governments, will win this battle.

Meanwhile, things continue to improve on the small business front where business owners are being heavily incentivized to offer health care benefits to employees.

As I wrote in January, there has been a significant uptick in small businesses taking advantage of the tax benefits offered by the ACA to provide health insurance to employees where they previously did not do so.

According to a Kaiser survey, there has been a 46% uptick in businesses with less than 10 employees offering health benefits as compared to last year.

That is a big number.

Further improving the outlook, the IRS has, in the past month, issued guidelines for small businesses which very much bolster the tax credits offered. Included in those guidelines are provisions that clarify that the tax credit will not be reduced by a state health care tax credit or subsidy (except in limited circumstances to prevent abuse of the credit); that small businesses can receive the credit not only for traditional health insurance coverage but also for add-on dental, vision, and other limited-scope coverage; and detailed guidance on how a small business can determine whether it is eligible and how large a credit it will receive.

Health care reform is working, folks – and we have yet to get to the really big benefits which kick in come 2014.

Now that we are seeing some decidedly positive results, I am reminded of the GOP criticism that was leveled at the health care reform effort back when the issue was on the front burner of the national consciousness.

Once we get past the August 2009 era of the townhall meetings where the Republicans were pitching the false “death panel” narrative to great effect, we see that there are two primary challenges lodged against the law- the cuts to Medicare and the health insurance mandates.

Today, the GOP is pursuing the Ryan budget plan that would destroy Medicare as we know it, turning it into a voucher program that has no chance of keeping up with the rising costs of medical care and leaving seniors to face a future of inadequate and unavailable health care.

It is no secret that polling reveals that Americans are very much not in favor of Ryan’s plan.

So much is this the case, the health care issue that played such a large role in handing the House of Representatives over to the GOP last November, is now the very same issue that has become the focal point of the special election in New York’s 26th Congressional District where polling shows Democrat Kathy Hochul is leading Republican Jane Corwin in what has long been a safe GOP seat.

The reason Hochul may emerge victorious?

The GOP’s anti-Medicare plan.

The irony is exquisite.

As for the health insurance mandates, reviewing the field of the major GOP presidential contenders, some interesting data begins to emerge.

Newt Gingrich – for mandated health insurance before he was against it (although he may have already switched positions again this morning.)

Jon Huntsman – for mandated health insurance before he was against it. Indeed, mandates were a vital part of the health care reform Huntsman pushed as Governor of Utah before the GOP majority in the state legislature put the brakes on the idea.

Mitt Romney- as the true father of Obamacare, clearly he was for mandates before he was against them.

Only Tim Pawlenty appears to be in the clear on the topic.

The time has arrived for even the most critical to take another look at health care reform. Facts and figures don’t lie – if accurately presented.

And while the full jury won’t be in for a few more years, maybe the time has come for average Americans more interested in what is best for their country rather than grinding a political axe, to reconsider their views.

I think you’ll like what you see.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/05/23/more-solid-proof-that-obamacare-is-working/

Muddy
05-27-2011, 03:19 PM
That'd be funny if his plan worked... :lol:

PorkChopSandwiches
05-27-2011, 03:23 PM
Wouldn't it :lol:

FBD will be able to discredit these numbers I'm sure :lol:

Muddy
05-27-2011, 03:26 PM
Obama could cure cancer and FBD would discredit it.. *shakes head* crazy ol' coot..

Teh One Who Knocks
05-27-2011, 03:33 PM
Wouldn't it :lol:

FBD will be able to discredit these numbers I'm sure :lol:

Then why does my medical insurance keep going up if there are so many more healthy people paying insurance now?

Muddy
05-27-2011, 03:34 PM
Mine didnt go up.. 2 years now...

Teh One Who Knocks
05-27-2011, 03:36 PM
Mine didnt go up.. 2 years now...

Ours has every year....13% 2 years ago and then 19.5% this last renewal

Muddy
05-27-2011, 03:38 PM
Wow.. But to be fair... Healthcare has been spiraling out of control for 15 years... During the Bush era. We had a 30% increase one time... Not that Im blaming Bush.. Im just saying what was in place was def. not working... And its not the fault of the All evil anti Christ Obama..

PorkChopSandwiches
05-27-2011, 03:42 PM
Then why does my medical insurance keep going up if there are so many more healthy people paying insurance now?

It hasn't really had a chance to make a difference, hopefully they get 1,000,000 uninsured young people insured and we can start seeing prices level out, I doubt they will ever go down.

Teh One Who Knocks
05-27-2011, 03:45 PM
Wow.. But to be fair... Healthcare has been spiraling out of control for 15 years... During the Bush era. We had a 30% increase one time... Not that Im blaming Bush.. Im just saying what was in place was def. not working... And its not the fault of the All evil anti Christ Obama..

I never said it was...I'm just saying that this article is basically propaganda.

Teh One Who Knocks
05-27-2011, 03:46 PM
It hasn't really had a chance to make a difference, hopefully they get 1,000,000 uninsured young people insured and we can start seeing prices level out, I doubt they will ever go down.

They won't ever level out....remember you heard it here first ;)

Muddy
05-27-2011, 03:48 PM
They won't ever level out....remember you heard it here first ;)

Do you think that could have anything to do with the Ins. companies being pissy becasue they aren't the supreme rulers of their universe?

PorkChopSandwiches
05-27-2011, 04:03 PM
They won't ever level out....remember you heard it here first ;)

I believe you but Im holding onto HOPE :lol:

Deepsepia
05-27-2011, 04:35 PM
Then why does my medical insurance keep going up if there are so many more healthy people paying insurance now?

Because the cost of medical care keeps going up, and the population is getting older and sicker.

Young, healthy people are a fairly minimal feature of healthcare costs . . . 55 year old smokers with hypertension and diabetes, not yet on Medicare, but with all kinds of pathology on board, they're where your health insurance company is spending tons of money.

RBP
05-27-2011, 04:58 PM
Because the cost of medical care keeps going up, and the population is getting older and sicker.

Young, healthy people are a fairly minimal feature of healthcare costs . . . 55 year old smokers with hypertension and diabetes, not yet on Medicare, but with all kinds of pathology on board, they're where your health insurance company is spending tons of money.

I am not settled on this argument. That would say that we are reducing phantom costs like the administration did with the stimulus. Boy look how bad it would have been if we hadn't acted!

Adding the youngins does not make systemic cost go down, it does the exact opposite. Now the cost per participant may decrease and perhaps that's the goal, but systemic costs go up as more people are added to the system. So Lance's company's cost is higher to insure more people. The company then makes the decision on how to reallocate those additional expenses back to the employees. Lance as a single participant may, in fact, take some of the additional burden.

If insurance companies could have lowered costs to companies by extending more familial coverage benefits they would have done it a long time ago.

As for smokers, they reduce systemic cost over time because they have less long term care, i.e. they die younger. The opposite is true of preventive care, which increases long term systemic costs by people living longer.

KevinD
05-27-2011, 05:04 PM
The last company I worked at (for 14 years) my cost for medical ins went up twice. Once due to the company changing policies/provider, and once due to the company deciding to no longer pay as large a percentage.
Where I work now (almost 5 years) the first two years, no changes in my cost or companies cost. Company changed provider once, my cost went up once. Then in the last 2 years, my cost has gone up 3 times. My cost has almost doubled in the total five years. Spin that.

AntZ
05-27-2011, 05:25 PM
My cost has almost doubled in the total five years. Spin that.

That should warm your heart that you're allowing your fellow American and "new arrivals" to get medical attention! http://www.smilies-and-more.de/pics/smilies/party/079.gif

Remember, it takes a village!





http://i.imgur.com/bzDsG.gif

KevinD
05-27-2011, 05:34 PM
Oh yeah, my cockles are all warm and fuzzy, lol

Teh One Who Knocks
05-27-2011, 05:43 PM
I am not settled on this argument. That would say that we are reducing phantom costs like the administration did with the stimulus. Boy look how bad it would have been if we hadn't acted!

Adding the youngins does not make systemic cost go down, it does the exact opposite. Now the cost per participant may decrease and perhaps that's the goal, but systemic costs go up as more people are added to the system. So Lance's company's cost is higher to insure more people. The company then makes the decision on how to reallocate those additional expenses back to the employees. Lance as a single participant may, in fact, take some of the additional burden.

If insurance companies could have lowered costs to companies by extending more familial coverage benefits they would have done it a long time ago.

As for smokers, they reduce systemic cost over time because they have less long term care, i.e. they die younger. The opposite is true of preventive care, which increases long term systemic costs by people living longer.

^^^^ This ^^^^

:thumbsup:

Deepsepia
05-27-2011, 05:52 PM
If insurance companies could have lowered costs to companies by extending more familial coverage benefits they would have done it a long time ago.

As for smokers, they reduce systemic cost over time because they have less long term care, i.e. they die younger. The opposite is true of preventive care, which increases long term systemic costs by people living longer.

This is a complicated story, and new medical technology changes it . . . about all you can say is "it depends".

Smoking caused lung cancer used to be something that showed up, was quickly fatal, and for which there wasn't much treatment. However, with new medical technology, it turns out that you should be doing some very expensive stuff for smokers. Basically, lung cancer is so fatal because its detected late. "Cutting edge" medicine for smokers are spiral CT scans (very expensive) which detect lung cancers before they're symptomatic or show up on a regular chest x-ray. You then do (very expensive) surgery to remove them, and the patients do much better.

That one scenario illustrates a big factor in rising costs-- new technology lets us do new stuff, good stuff if you're a patient-- but it also pushes costs way up. That's not "Obamacare" or any health policy . . . if you're screening ex-smokers with CT scans, and doing lots of surgeries to resect lung CA, you simply spend a lot more money, under any system

I'd also add in the smoking scenario that lung cancer is just one outcome -- emphysema is another one, and more common. That's chronic and also very expensive.

FBD
05-27-2011, 07:42 PM
:roll: I find it funny that people think this numbers game is a positive. RBP and Lance already said what needed to be said :razz: